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crashnburn
02-16-2008, 07:36 AM
There must be some way to stop all these junk threads on the forum. Is it possible to tighten up on membership i.e. confirming ownership of a newtek product maybe. Does anyone have any ideas, being annoyed by it etc?

eagleeyed
02-16-2008, 07:53 AM
My idea is just to have a simple quiz during registration, something like, What is NewTek's Award Winning Animation Program?

I think this was suggested elsewhere earlier on.

List of questions that can easily be found, yet bots will fail at.

What is NewTek's Award Winning Animation Program?
What is NewTek's Non-Linear High Definition Video Editing Suite?
You are registering on the Newtek Discussion .........

Simple, yet effective I hope.

crashnburn
02-16-2008, 08:13 AM
Yeah, good idea, the 'Newtekizenship' test a little like the citizenship test they have come up with here in the UK lol. I think we need something along these lines, its nice to come onto such a helpful site. I'd hate to see it ruined by these people.

We need to do something before it gets out of hand. We seem to have got a sudden surge of this junk. A publc area and a member area using confirmation of ownership of a licence would be an idea, but I think we would be in a situation of alienating potential new users.

IMI
02-16-2008, 08:20 AM
You talking about the spam, or you just don't like the silly stuff some of us regulars routinely engage in?

Steamthrower
02-16-2008, 08:23 AM
Yeah - the "Fr33 MeDs here" threads or the "LW Guitarists" threads?

crashnburn
02-16-2008, 08:24 AM
I'm on about the spam. The humour makes it a nice place to come, the friendliness etc.

IMI
02-16-2008, 08:28 AM
The humour makes it a nice place to come, the friendliness etc.

Really?
I've often thought it made some of look like a bunch of no-life buffoons. :D


The spam though, I think someone from NT said it's actually not bot-generated, but placed here by real people who have created an account.

crashnburn
02-16-2008, 08:32 AM
Which is why I think something is needed to stop it. There has to be a way. If not it might put people off joining the forum.

rezman
02-16-2008, 10:03 AM
I use the rss feed feature in Firefox and you see this garbage. It makes it look like someone is asleep at the switch. I don't think I've ever seen this kind of thing on SpinQuad, so maybe Proton wants to tell NT how to stop it?

Hopper
02-16-2008, 11:19 AM
...or the "LW Guitarists" threads?
Leave that one be ... Don't go giving them any crazy ideas ... :jam:

Stooch
02-18-2008, 02:33 PM
like i said before. on car forums they force you to post atleast 10 posts int he noob section before you are allowed to make posts elsewhere. you are also given a limit of no more than a 2-3 posts a day. so its impossible for someone to come in and just blow through registration, it would take em alteast a week.

it would also keep all the RTFM questions where they belong, so the benefits of this are:

a) cannot just join and start spamming
b) even if you do join to spam, the most you can do is clutter up a noob section
c) noobs get a nice initiation period where they can acclimate themselves to the forums and get rid of any RTFM posts out of their system.

Steamthrower
02-18-2008, 02:44 PM
I've always appreciated the forums which had an "initiation" state. They've always seemed well managed and spam-free (relatively).

I'd also appreciate a sort of "stepped" membership here...so that the more you post the more PMs you can store, the faster you can post, and you can edit your posts for a bit longer or something...but that's asking a bit much at this point.

markschum
02-18-2008, 03:00 PM
No offense intended to anyone , but isnt spam really the concern of the forum moderators . ?

I dislike limiting participation in forums because it tends to put people off. A forum locked by product key might be an option for some but you need a way for someone evaluating product to get quick reliable answers .

I havent had any luck with tech support from Newtek so I rely on the forums for guidance , and often its a slow process.

Steamthrower
02-18-2008, 06:38 PM
I havent had any luck with tech support from Newtek so I rely on the forums for guidance , and often its a slow process.

No offense to you either (:D) but no luck with tech support from Newtek? You must have called on the wrong day. Anyway. I do agree with the upfront intimidation part.

But I do digress in one way: it is important for the users. We're the ones who have to live through spam and try to skip the trash. I for one don't want to visit the threads to report all of them because the spam is pretty graphic at times.

Stooch
02-18-2008, 08:08 PM
hmm upfront intimidation? so having a gay porn ads replete with pictures dont bother you any? If you ask me, thats a pretty convincing reason for new users to stay away from here.

Steamthrower
02-18-2008, 08:36 PM
Yeah, that is pretty upfront and intimidating, after a bit of thought. Good point. I'd say a Noob's subforum would be a little bit more friendly than a surprise sodomy thread.

meshpig
02-19-2008, 02:39 AM
Surely you should just ignore it?

i mean if you see a thread titled "mum likes it up the jackson" how dumb would you have to be to not figure what it is beforehand?

-The no -new-thread before x amount of replies works but it tends to make you once removed from thereon in. There's a delay which ripples and tends to stay that way.

OK, so my mail is %30 spam but what difference does it make here?

m

crashnburn
02-19-2008, 07:23 AM
1. If it's allowed to continue it will possibly get worse, since spam attracts spam.
2. There is no age limit I am aware of on here for people to come to the forum. So do any parents want their kids to be able to come to a forum where there is access to indecent porn. Spammers don't have that concern.
3. Newcomers will be put off if they notice loads of spam and no attempt to deal with it.
4. People on here may already be put off or fedup, there are loads of other forums out there for 3d users.
5. The simple fact that why the hell should we have to put up with it.

art
02-19-2008, 10:39 AM
How about moderating the first few posts? This could be done in addition to the "noob section" and daily post limits for newcomers.

greeb1957
02-19-2008, 10:41 AM
i havent posted much, but i like to give my point of veiw and mabey lend some ideas. id like to keep it that way.

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 10:44 AM
1. If it's allowed to continue it will possibly get worse, since spam attracts spam.

Good point. I was admin of a small forum a while back (one of the regional things with only a dozen active members). We kept the spam literally nonexistent. Then we migrated to a new server and left the old forum running but didn't maintain it. Last time I looked, there were 6,000 new members, all spammers, all from Romania or Russia or wherever. An entire section of the forum was chock full of wonderful pain med links.

paulrus
02-19-2008, 11:06 AM
Funny - I was just coming here to start a thread on this subject. I get the new posts to NT's forums by RSS. Today I had a client walk in while I had my RSS reader up and of course there was all this porno spam from NewTek right in the middle of the screen.

I'm guessing they are WAY behind on their version of vBulletin. This is the only vBulletin site I visit that gets this level of spam - specifically porn spam - on a daily basis.

I'm about this close (fingers really close together) to just walking away from the NT forums and the RSS feed. I don't need to have clients getting the wrong impression...

adamredwoods
02-19-2008, 02:06 PM
I agree with the first post should be moderated.
Also, have more moderators.

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 02:10 PM
...hands go up everywhere screaming Me! Me!

markschum
02-19-2008, 02:28 PM
The moderators on the forums here have failed to actually moderate according to their own stated rules .

Maybe they need some volunteer mods who can keep the place neat.

The current posts of naked sex are very amusing in a kind of aweful way, but not appropriate to 3d modelling , cept maybe , this is what a fat naked chick looks like - maybe intended as a photo referance ? naw ...

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 02:32 PM
The moderators on the forums here have failed to actually moderate according to their own stated rules .

I wouldn't put it that strongly. I don't know if you've ever moderated or adminned before, but it's a big job. And since no one's full-time job is moderating, things always slip through. The majority of the spam is on weekends and before 7:00 on weekdays, CST...

CreatvGnius
02-19-2008, 02:45 PM
Also, have more moderators. Might not be a bad idea. The garbage needs to be dumped :stop: and not easily accessible to NewTek's fine Discussion forums.
-PeterG

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 02:49 PM
As of right now there's another spam thread in this forum that I didn't bother clicking on.

What about a sort of compromise between all of our suggestions?

Have the forums as they are now, only accessible if you have a Lightwave/VT/SpeedEdit license key. And add a publicly accessible forum for prospective buyers?

IMI
02-19-2008, 03:48 PM
Have to admit though, the "Insurance Lesbians" thread awhile back got pretty funny while it lasted. :D

I do agree though it would be a good idea to give at least limited moderator privileges to some long time trusted members. I can't see someone like, say, colkai going on a mad power trip and deleting everything in sight, just because he can. ;)
Picking a handful of trusted regulars from different time zones would be likely to cut the survival times of those spam posts considerably.
And really, it would only have to be in the General Discussion forum, since it seems that's where it all ends up.

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 07:57 PM
That, and occasionally LW Community.

meshpig
02-19-2008, 11:00 PM
1. If it's allowed to continue it will possibly get worse, since spam attracts spam.
2. There is no age limit I am aware of on here for people to come to the forum. So do any parents want their kids to be able to come to a forum where there is access to indecent porn. Spammers don't have that concern.
3. Newcomers will be put off if they notice loads of spam and no attempt to deal with it.
4. People on here may already be put off or fedup, there are loads of other forums out there for 3d users.
5. The simple fact that why the hell should we have to put up with it.

I see your point.

m:)

Steamthrower
02-20-2008, 06:49 AM
Um, look guys! Overnight spam infestation! Call the Ghostbusters!

For those of you too late to notice, the entire front page of this forum was covered in probably 30 different spam posts...

IMI
02-20-2008, 03:57 PM
Um, look guys! Overnight spam infestation! Call the Ghostbusters!

For those of you too late to notice, the entire front page of this forum was covered in probably 30 different spam posts...

I guess I missed it. You serious? The spammers are fighting back...

Chuck
02-20-2008, 04:24 PM
We're consulting with some other vBulletin users who have had substantial success at fending off the Spambots. We hope to have the situation resolved very shortly.

lardbros
02-20-2008, 04:41 PM
We're consulting with some other vBulletin users who have had substantial success at fending off the Spambots. We hope to have the situation resolved very shortly.

Good stuff!! Newtek are on the case with everything today! :)