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alanestrada
01-27-2008, 09:19 PM
I would like to get a laptop but I lost track of the processor history when the name pentium was dropped. Right now I don't know which processor is newer or equivalent between intel and amd.

I would like suggestions on processor and computer brand, as well as graphic cards.

What would be better between Dell, Gateway, Apple or HP?

Any advice or suggestion will be welcome.

cresshead
01-28-2008, 11:10 AM
cpu:- intel core 2 duo
ram 2 gig [as it's cheap]
graphics either nvidia onboard or intel chipset..stay away from ati...they're rubbish.

makes of good laptops:-
acer, asus, apple, dell

*Pete*
01-28-2008, 11:16 AM
Laptop...first decide the use for it, then the screensize (12"-20").

then follow cressheads advice ;)

CreatvGnius
01-28-2008, 11:32 AM
cpu:- intel core 2 duo
ram 2 gig [as it's cheap]
graphics either nvidia onboard or intel chipset..stay away from ati...they're rubbish.

makes of good laptops:-
acer, asus, apple, dell

Sony VAIOs had for quite a while, been known to be among the most reliable of the PC variety notebooks -- equaling Apple in reliability and quality of service & Support, said a leading "consumer" publication. But my most recent look-up in that magazine, on the same subject, indicated that Sony had slipped.

Now, the slamming of ATI graphics chipsets across the board, is probably unwarranted, to be honest. It used to be that ATI was plagued with customers having problems with drivers, compared to nVidia. That's a thing of the past.

What's your beef with ATI graphics these days, Cresshead? NewTek, by the way, now recommends both nVidia and ATI for their customers, in choosing hardware for running SpeedEDIT, VT[5], etc.
-PeterG

Speedmonk42
01-28-2008, 03:30 PM
Make sure it has a DVI out for a second monitor, and that output can do WUXGA.

I am using two WUXGA screens right now.

Very happy time.

CreatvGnius
01-28-2008, 03:38 PM
Make sure it has a DVI out for a second monitor, and that output can do WUXGA.

I am using two WUXGA screens right now.

Very happy time.

Since you went there, Speedmonk, I suppose I'll toss this in for good measure: If you can, get HDMI out on that laptop too! :D

HP has them on a good number of their dv-series notebooks (e.g., dv9000 series)
-PeterG

Speedmonk42
01-28-2008, 03:46 PM
Since you went there, Speedmonk, I suppose I'll toss this in for good measure: If you can, get HDMI out on that laptop too! :D

HP has them on a good number of their dv-series notebooks (e.g., dv9000 series)
-PeterG

Ok since your going THERE! Display port!

LOL!

CreatvGnius
01-28-2008, 05:25 PM
Ok since your going THERE! Display port!

LOL!

"Display Port" on a laptop? W-what's so funny about that, Speedmonk? Isn't any video output designed for a monitor considered a "display port?" Ok, Ok -- what did I miss?? 8~
-PeterG

Hopper
01-28-2008, 05:53 PM
I loaded up LW 9.3 on my Dell 620 so I could tinker with some models while at the inlaws this xmas. It did NOT work. I found out that it wasn't the speed of the notebook (yes, I know - which is QUITE outdated), but it was the ATI graphics card. OGL with anything but the nVidia chipset crashes LW on a Dell notebook.

Just my $0.02

( I tried on a friends Dell notebook - different model - newer - with an ATi and it crashed too).

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 08:34 AM
cpu:- intel core 2 duo
ram 2 gig [as it's cheap]
graphics either nvidia onboard or intel chipset..stay away from ati...they're rubbish.

makes of good laptops:-
acer, asus, apple, dell

How about this one?
The only specs that dont comply to your advice are the processor (this one is AMD, not Intel) and the brand is HP (which you don't mention), are these two specs big downsides? I think the price is affordable. Should I avoid it?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8676391&productCategoryId=pcmcat138500050001&type=product&tab=2&id=1197074865198#productdetail

$850USD
HP - Pavilion Laptop with AMD Turion™ 64 X2

#
Processor
AMD Turion(TM) 64 X2
#
Processor Speed
2.0GHz
#
Display Type
WXGA high-definition widescreen with BrightView technology (1280 x 800)
#
Screen Size
15.4"
#
System Bus
1600MHz
#
Cache Memory
512KB + 512KB at die Level 2
#
System Memory (RAM)
2GB
#
System Memory (RAM) Expandable To
4GB
#
Type of Memory (RAM)
DDR2
#
Hard Drive Type
Serial ATA (5400 rpm)
#
Hard Drive Size
250GB
#
Optical Drive
Double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW
#
Optical Drive Speeds
Drive speeds not available
#
Direct-Disc Labeling
Yes
#
Digital Media Reader or Slots
Yes, digital media card reader
#
Diskette Drive
No
#
Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M (UMA)
#
Video Memory
Up to 799MB
#
Personal Video Recorder (PVR)
No
#
TV Tuner
No
#
MPEG
Yes
#
Built-in Web Cam
Yes
#
Modem
56 Kbps*
*Capable of receiving 56 Kbps downloads. However, current regulations limit download speed to 53 Kbps.
#
Networking
Built-in 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)
#
Wireless Networking
Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11b/g)
#
S-Video Outputs
1
#
Audio
Altec Lansing
#
Speakers
Built-in
#
PCMCIA Slots
1 ExpressCard 34/54
#
USB 2.0 Ports
3
#
IEEE 1394 FireWire Ports
1
#
Parallel Ports
None
#
Serial Ports
None
#
Game Ports
None
#
Notebook Weight
Standard (more than 6 lbs.)
#
Battery Type
Lithium-ion

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 08:46 AM
I found this one from Dell, it has the Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
what the NVidia equivalent would be for that? this computer is $1,049.99 is it worth it?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8647967&productCategoryId=pcmcat138500050001&type=product&tab=2&id=1195598895298#productdetail

#
Processor
Intel® Core(TM)2 Duo Mobile
#
Processor Speed
1.66GHz
#
Display Type
Ultrasharp WXGA high-definition widescreen with TrueLife (1280 x 800)
#
Screen Size
13.3"
#
System Bus
667MHz
#
Cache Memory
2MB
#
System Memory (RAM)
2GB
#
System Memory (RAM) Expandable To
4GB
#
Type of Memory (RAM)
DDR2
#
Hard Drive Type
Serial ATA (5400 rpm)
#
Hard Drive Size
160GB
#
Optical Drive
Double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW
#
Optical Drive Speeds
16x4x16 DVD+RW; 8x4x16 DVD-RW; 40x24x40 CD-RW (DL speeds not available)
#
Direct-Disc Labeling
No
#
Digital Media Reader or Slots
Yes, digital media card reader
#
Graphics
Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
#
Video Memory
Unspecified
#
Personal Video Recorder (PVR)
No
#
TV Tuner
No
#
Built-in Web Cam
Yes
#
Modem
None
#
Networking
Built-in 10/100 Ethernet
#
Wireless Networking
Built-in Dell 1505 Wireless-N networking card
#
Security Technology
Biometric fingerprint reader
#
S-Video Outputs
1
#
Additional Audio/Video Connectors
HDMI output
#
Audio
Integrated high-definition 2.0
#
Speakers
Built-in stereo
#
PCMCIA Slots
1 ExpressCard/54
#
USB 2.0 Ports
2
#
IEEE 1394 FireWire Ports
1
#
Parallel Ports
None
#
Serial Ports
None
#
Game Ports
None
#
Notebook Weight
Ultraportable (less than 4.5 lbs.)
#
Battery Type
Lithium-ion (6-cell)
#
Pointing Device
Touchpad with vertical/horizontal scroll pad
#
Operating System
Windows Vista Home Premium
#
Included Software
Microsoft Works 8, Roxio Creator Basic

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 08:52 AM
Here's a third choice

$849.99
HP - Special Edition Pavilion Laptop with AMD Turion™ 64 X2 - Black/Bronze

From the options listed above what would be the best choice?

#
Warranty Terms - Parts
1 year limited
#
Warranty Terms - Labor
1 year limited
#
Product Height
1.5"
#
Product Width
9.3"
#
Product Weight
5.25 lbs.
#
Product Depth
13.2"
#
Processor Brand
AMD
#
Processor
AMD Turion(TM) 64 X2
#
Processor Speed
2.0GHz
#
Display Type
WXGA high-definition widescreen with BrightView technology (1280 x 800)
#
Screen Size
14.1"
#
System Bus
1600MHz
#
Cache Memory
512KB + 512KB at die Level 2
#
System Memory (RAM)
3GB
#
System Memory (RAM) Expandable To
4GB
#
Type of Memory (RAM)
DDR2
#
Hard Drive Type
Serial ATA (5400 rpm)
#
Hard Drive Size
250GB
#
Optical Drive
Double-layer DVD±RW/CD-RW
#
Optical Drive Speeds
Drive speeds not specified
#
Direct-Disc Labeling
Yes
#
Digital Media Reader or Slots
Yes, digital media card reader
#
Diskette Drive
No
#
Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M (UMA)
#
Video Memory
Up to 1071MB
#
Personal Video Recorder (PVR)
No
#
TV Tuner
No
#
MPEG
Yes
#
Built-in Web Cam
Yes
#
Modem
56 Kbps*
*Capable of receiving 56 Kbps downloads. However, current regulations limit download speed to 53 Kbps.
#
Networking
Built-in high-speed 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN (RJ-45 connector)
#
Wireless Networking
Built-in high-speed wireless LAN (802.11b/g)
#
S-Video Outputs
1
#
Audio
Altec Lansing
#
Speakers
Built-in
#
PCMCIA Slots
1 ExpressCard 34/54
#
USB 2.0 Ports
3
#
IEEE 1394 FireWire Ports
1
#
Parallel Ports
None
#
Serial Ports
None
#
Game Ports
None
#
Notebook Weight
Thin and light (4.5 to 6 lbs.)
#
Battery Type
Lithium-ion
#
Pointing Device
Touchpad with dedicated vertical scroll pad and on/off button
#
Operating System
Windows Vista Home Premium
#
Included Software
HP Photosmart Essentials; muvee autoProducer; CyberLink DVD Suite; Microsoft Works; Adobe Acrobat Reader and more

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 08:53 AM
[edited message, it was posted twice]

CreatvGnius
01-29-2008, 11:32 AM
You'd do well with an Intel Core™ 2 Duo processor based machine, if you're trying to stay near the $1000 USD mark. In that same price range, and mostly all else being equal, you might see lesser performance from an AMD Turion64 x2 processor based notebook.

I took special note that you didn't mention the model of AMD Turion64 x2 processors, nor the specific model of Intel Core™2 Duo processor in your specs.

Best Buy usually will indicate the processor model number in their spec listings. I'd do some more homework on that issue, so you'll know just what it is you're really looking at, when considering a particular machine for purchase.

One other thing: You'd like to have discrete graphics RAM running from a PCI Express buss -- rather than a "shared graphics" solution. I cannot tell from your listed specs, which is the case in those notebooks you listed.

Remind us just what you plan to do with this machine? What will be the primary programs you plan to run on it, and for what purpose?

Perhaps you'll get more interaction from others when you've addressed these matters, and provided more thorough info on processor model number in the machines you're looking at.

(I wonder if the "1600MHz" FSB bandwidth listed in the Turion64x2 models should really be understood to be "800MHz per core... Hmmm... I'm no PC genius, so I'm not sure.)"

Take your time; Here's hoping you do well!
-PeterG



with a 7200 RPM drive -- ideally, the 17" models have a plus: two drive bays in the HP dv9000 series notebooks

CreatvGnius
01-29-2008, 11:39 AM
I would like to get a laptop but I lost track of the processor history when the name pentium was dropped. Right now I don't know which processor is newer or equivalent between intel and amd.

I would like suggestions on processor and computer brand, as well as graphic cards.

What would be better between Dell, Gateway, Apple or HP?

Any advice or suggestion will be welcome.

Go to Intel.com and also go to AMD.com. From their sites, do a search on:
< processors features comparison > or somesuch thing. You'll get a quick glance at what's what from one processor model to the next.

Intel Core™2 Duo processors generally outperform AMD's Turion64™x2; That said, note that you'll generally find cheaper pricing on the Turion64X2 models.
-PeterG

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 01:03 PM
There are some customizable sites that let you choose between 32 bit vista windows and 64 bit, what are the pro/cons about this?

most intel core 2 duo processors offered on those laptops are T5450, which is missing the intel trust and intel virtualization features.

I read a post about Nvidia cards stating that they name their models like this:

xyz0

where x is the card's generation, the higher the newer, but that doesn't mean better.

y is the "power" of the card, the higher the better, being numbers above 5 recommended for 3D

z will have eiter a 5 or a zero, being 5 better than zero in performance.

how can I compare the performance of

Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M (UMA)
#
Video Memory
Up to 1071MB

against

Graphics
Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100

what are those specs about shared memory, unshared...etc...what's the concept behind this and what's better?

CreatvGnius
01-29-2008, 01:37 PM
There are some customizable sites that let you choose between 32 bit vista windows and 64 bit, what are the pro/cons about this?

most intel core 2 duo processors offered on those laptops are T5450, which is missing the intel trust and intel virtualization features.

I read a post about Nvidia cards stating that they name their models like this:

xyz0

where x is the card's generation, the higher the newer, but that doesn't mean better.

y is the "power" of the card, the higher the better, being numbers above 5 recommended for 3D

z will have eiter a 5 or a zero, being 5 better than zero in performance.

how can I compare the performance of

Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce Go 7150M (UMA)
#
Video Memory
Up to 1071MB

against

Graphics
Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100

what are those specs about shared memory, unshared...etc...what's the concept behind this and what's better?

In case no one is able to assist in these PC specific queries, in a short amount of time, you might do well to do a google search for a PC forum.

Concerning shared memory -- which is a portion of System RAM that's actually shared with the graphics circuitry -- there are no specs that you should be concerned with, as far as I know: the matter is, get a notebook that has discrete memory for graphics -- not shared.

Again, I'm no expert in PC technology. There are forums that will take on your questions with fast replies; Also, you could search some wikipedia.com for explanations of some of the terms you've posted (i.e, shared memory, etc.).

-PeterG

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 01:54 PM
Thanks!

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 03:44 PM
and the winner is:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8669504&st=hp+clay&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1196470766824

HP - Special Edition Laptop with Intel® Centrino® - Clay
Model: dv6780se
$1250

* Enhanced Intel® Centrino® processor technology with interrelated Intel® Core™2 Duo mobile processor T5450, Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965AGN network connection (802.11a/b/g/n) and extended battery life capability
* 3GB DDR2 memory for multitasking power; expandable to 4GB; 667MHz frontside bus, 2MB L2 cache and 1.67GHz processor speed
* SuperMulti DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video using compatible DVD+R DL media; supports DVD-RAM; also supports LightScribe direct-disc labels using compatible LightScribe media

* The next-generation Intel® Core™2 Duo processor is based on the innovative Intel® Core™ microarchitecture, so it runs faster and is more energy-efficient for cooler, quieter operation
* 15.4" WXGA high-definition widescreen display with BrightView technology and 1280 x 800 resolution
* 250GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)
* NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS graphics with up to 1535MB total graphics memory (256MB dedicated); S-video TV-out, HDMI output
* QuickPlay music and DVD buttons; HP mobile remote and ear bud headphones included
* Built-in HP Pavilion Web cam and integrated microphone make it easy to chat with family and friends
* 5-in-1 digital media reader supports Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO and xD-Picture Card media
* IEEE 1394 port and 3 high-speed USB 2.0 ports for fast digital video, audio and data transfer
* Built-in 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN with RJ-45 connector; 56 Kbps modem; Expansion Port 3 connector
* Weighs 6.8 lbs. and measures just 1.7" thin for portable power; lithium-ion battery and AC adapter
* Long-lasting special edition HP Imprint high-gloss finish in Thrive; backlit media control panel
* Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition operating system preinstalled; software package included with HP Photosmart Essentials, muvee autoProducer, CyberLink DVD Suite and more

cresshead
01-29-2008, 03:54 PM
sounds okay actually

also:

re ati:-

my mac mini has ati graphics and using modeler is just rubbish...it displays points with errors

my acer laptop has a ati x700 card and whilst it's 'okay' it also seems to give errors with 3dsmax using direct x so i have to use open gl or heidi display

lightwave on the acer is okay generally but i've personally had my fill of ati lack lustre drivers.

my latest pc [quadcore] has an nvidia card and runs just fine...

re
Acer Aspire 5720 which has the Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator X3100
you were asking about it seems okay but not a leader of the pack...a sorta good compromise on cost/performance...i'd prefer that to a ati solution...
gee i'm moaning about ati again!!...sorry!

i'm about to buy a Acer Aspire 5720 as a ''run about'' laptop as it's cheap but has a decent amount of ram and fast core 2 cpu [2ghz], i don't want to spend a huge amount of cash for something that'll be slung in a bag and dragged around the city everyday.

as a comparison my arti x700 [128mb] card in my current acer laptop scores about 50% as good as the Acer Aspire 5720 with it's intel graphics chipset for graphics performance.

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 04:25 PM
thanks again cresshead

I found just a last one, and I'll decide between the HP and Toshiba, this one is cheaper but has less RAM,

http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/pdet.to?poid=365595&coid=0&cartAction=Add&tab=&hasXSells=false&parentPage=

Operating System **
Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate (32-bit)
Processor
Processor Type * : Core™2 Duo Processor Number * : T5600 Processor Speed * : 1.83GHz
Memory Size *
1024MB
Display Size *
17.0" widescreen
Display Type *
WXGA+ with TruBrite® Technology
Display Resolution *
1440x900
Graphics Engine *
NVIDIA® GeForce® Go 7900GTX
Graphics Memory *
512MB GDDR3
Hard Drive Size *
120GB
Hard Drive Speed
5400rpm
Optical Drives *
DVD-SuperMulti drive (+/-R double layer) supporting up to 11 fomats
Wireless LAN * ♣
Intel® PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (802.11a/b/g)
Bluetooth *
Bluetooth® V2.0 + EDR
Input Devices
Hot Key Functions, Windows Key Function, Internet Launch button, Dual Mode Pad, CD/DVD Buttons (Play/Pause, Stop, Prev Track, Next Track), 103 key US keyboard with 10 Key Pad, Express Media Player Remote Control, Application Launch Button
Security
Finger Print Reader, Password Security, Security Cable Lock Slot, Hot Key Security
Modem
Modem
LAN
10/100/1000 Ethernet LAN
Audio
harman/kardon® stereo speakers, Headphone jack (stereo), Microphone jack (mono)
AC Adapter
120W (15V 8.0A) Auto-sensing, 100-240V / 50-60Hz input
Battery Type
Li-Ion (6000mAh)
PC Card Slots
1-Type II PC Card Slot
USB Ports
4-USB (2.0)
iLINK
i.LINK™ IEEE-1394
Media Port
5-in-1 Bridge Media Adapter, DVI-D output port, S/P DIF output port (shared with headphone port)
S-Video
TV-out (S Video)
Fast Infrared
Infrared for Consumer Remote only
Software *
TOSHIBA Express Media Player, TOSHIBA ConfigFree®, TOSHIBA Disc Creator, TOSHIBA Game Console, Ulead® DVD MovieFactory® for Toshiba, InterVideo® WinDVD® 8, Microsoft® Money 2007 Essentials
Weight
Starting at 7.1lbs
Color
Onyx Blue Metallic
Warranty *
1-Yr Parts and Labor, 1-Year Battery

Also Includes:
# Onyx Blue Metallic Lid Cover, Microsoft® Money 2007 Essentials, ULEAD® DVD Movie Factory 5, InterVideo® WinDVD® 8, 5-in-1 Bridge Media Adapter, ExpressCard™ slot, 4-USB (2.0) ports, i.LINK™ IEEE-1394, TV-out (S-Video), DVI-D output port, 10/100/1000 LAN port, V.92 modem port, RGB monitor port, Microphone jack (monaural), headphone jack (stereo), S/P DIF output port (shared with headphone port)


I'll post a review of whatever I buy in a couple weeks.

cresshead
01-29-2008, 04:33 PM
though a finger print reader is a great idea...i'm just not convinced that it's so wonderful...just wait till it mucks up or gets errors...will be expensive to service
no doubt...and will make your laptop unsuable until you fix it!

of course it may work for years n years without a hitch...

CreatvGnius
01-29-2008, 08:02 PM
I would like to get a laptop but I lost track of the processor history when the name pentium was dropped. Right now I don't know which processor is newer or equivalent between intel and amd.

I would like suggestions on processor and computer brand, as well as graphic cards.

What would be better between Dell, Gateway, Apple or HP?

Any advice or suggestion will be welcome.

What do you intend to run on your new notebook PC, Alan?
-PeterG

alanestrada
01-29-2008, 08:57 PM
CreatvGnius:

I'd like to use it for design and animation tools like photoshop, lightwave 3d, blender, etc.

Some audio aplications like pro tracks plus

I don't do gaming on my computer

Cresshead: I'm not crazy about the fingerprint reader either but I guess that feature can be cancelled, right?

I'll do some more research.

Exception
01-30-2008, 10:24 AM
Its hard to beat Lenovo nowadays in terms of price/performance/quality. The only one that comes close is Asus.
HP and Toshiba use outdated chipsets and other hardware and are very unreliable, most dells are constructed in the most low budget awful way, sonys die on your doorstep... fujitsu siemens are okay but you can't get most of those in the US... Clevos are good but finicky and heavy (Sager, Voodoo, Alienware, Nothwest flacon etc = Clevo).

Just my two centes here but after having bought and sold a great number of laptops, Asus and Lenovo are the only ones I would recommend from a quality price balance stand point. Built in the same factory by the same people who do the Apple powerbooks, they sure are the sturdiest most reliable out there, and with lenovo's recent price drop... hard to beat. Especially their mobile workstations with Nvidia quadro chips on standard for very little. But they don't have 17" laptops so all you're left with is Asus.

Exception
01-30-2008, 10:31 AM
Look at this one...
pound for pound better than the toshiba you listed (faster processor, double the RAM, better video card), and looks better too... Certainly more reliable.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220177

CreatvGnius
01-30-2008, 10:49 AM
That ASUS looks great Tom, but it has a 4200 rpm HD, Yikes! 5400 rpm is monstrously slow, I think punch cards are faster than that 4200 rpm HD :p

It's really worth investigating getting the absolutely minimum 5400 rpm in there. Personally I wouldn't get a laptop for any kind of graphics work unless it had a 7200 rpm disk. I'd rather have a smaller 7200 rpm disk than a 200Gb 4200 rpm one.

Good call, Never'. Of course, harddrives are cheap nowadays, so I'm now more inclined to pay stricter attention to those features on a laptop that are not easy to upgrade, in making a purchasing decision for a particular model.

-PeterG

Exception
01-30-2008, 11:55 AM
A harddisk on a laptop is the only part that is easy to upgrade. You can even do it yourself. It's one screw and two cables.
It is byt the way NOT only RPM that determines the speed of a drive!
It is also data density. That ASUS notebook has a drive that is as fast if not faster than most 5400 rpm drives due to a higher data density.
In fact, Asus notebooks are also sold as barebones where you can specify whatever you want in it, so you can take your pick.

I just listed this particular one after a one minute search on the internet. I'm sure you can find another one.

You pick a laptop by first selecting the screen size you want (and type). Then you choose the video card range and the desired weight. If you don't do this you can keep searching forever as there are too many options.
How much do you have to spend, when do you need to have it, etc.

I see you've also chosen a 15.4" in your line up, this means lenovo is back in the game... I'd give them a looking over.

Exception
01-30-2008, 12:06 PM
Oh with harddirves 'speed' falls in two categories.. seek speed and data throughput rate... they are not the same for all technologies... higher rpm: higher seek speed... higher data density: higher data throughput...
It's all not that easy. But for rendering your processor is the most important part. If you do more actual modeling work then the video card becomes important. The harddrive speed only becomes relevant if you do a lot of video editing / photoshopping with large images. Then data throughput of a drive is more important than seek speed.

But Neverko is right, you want a fast harddisk, so keep your eyes open. :)

nart
01-31-2008, 10:55 PM
I just migrated to a laptop about a month ago. I settled on an ASUS A7K. I have been very satisfied with its performance and it seems very well built. The only problems are it is heavy, and the battery only lasts for about 2 hours. I did upgrade to 4 Gigs of ram, and Vista Business 64bit. Vista was the only pitfall. As far as I can tell, one cannot get the Microsoft 64 bit alternate media from an OEM 32 bit license key. Microsoft says it is up to the OEM supplier to provide the media. So if you plan on upgrading the OS, watch out for that. Here are the specs:

Processor AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60 @ 2.0 GHz

Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB

Display adapter type ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT
Total available graphics memory 2047 MB
Dedicated graphics memory 256 MB
Dedicated system memory 0 MB
Shared system memory 1791 MB
Display adapter driver version 6.0.6000.16386
Primary monitor resolution 1440x900
DirectX version DirectX 9.0 or better


Primary hard disk 101GB Free (149GB Total)

Hope this helps.

CreatvGnius
02-01-2008, 08:26 AM
...I did upgrade to 4 Gigs of ram, and Vista Business 64bit. Vista was the only pitfall. As far as I can tell, one cannot get the Microsoft 64 bit alternate media from an OEM 32 bit license key. Microsoft says it is up to the OEM supplier to provide the media. ...

Hi, NART!
Can't say I clearly understand the disadvantage in having Vista Business 64-bit installed, relative to an OEM 32 bit license key?

Are you inferring that SpeedEDIT won't run on Vista Business 64-Bit, once you've *already* attempted to run it past its trial period? Please explain the situation in laypersons' terms for us? Would appreciate it greatly, Thanks!

Is your issue problematic for those who opt instead -- for 64-bit Vista Ultimate as well? f someone else cares to chime in here, to clarify what NART is expressing, by all means, go ahead. TIA!
-PeterG

CreatvGnius
02-01-2008, 08:40 AM
Hi, NART!
Can't say I clearly understand the disadvantage in having Vista Business 64-bit installed, relative to an OEM 32 bit license key?

Are you suggesting that some NewTek product(s) won't run on Vista Business 64-Bit?
Are you also, indicating that some NewTek product(s) won't run on Ultimate 64-bit as well?

If so, is the case only after trying to run it past the trial period, as it's looking for the appropriate license key to be entered -- or it won't run (or install) at all? Please explain for any noobies among us?



Any replies from any other parties welcome, so long as it's in laypersons' terms. Thanks!
-PeterG

Speedmonk42
02-02-2008, 12:42 PM
Just out of curiosity what was the first PC version of LW? 3.5 or 4?

Would that run on an eeePC?

cresshead
02-02-2008, 12:47 PM
it's not down to a specific version but the inability to squeeze the u.i of lightwave to 480pxels high..3dsmax can squeeze to whatever...but lightwave is really set for 800x600 which s too high for the es on a eee pc unless with xp and the eep you can run a virtual desktop which push crolls around a larger res

Speedmonk42
02-02-2008, 06:05 PM
it's not down to a specific version but the inability to squeeze the u.i of lightwave to 480pxels high..3dsmax can squeeze to whatever...but lightwave is really set for 800x600 which s too high for the es on a eee pc unless with xp and the eep you can run a virtual desktop which push crolls around a larger res

I think you can get uxga on the VGA output, though that would defeat the coolness of running on it something small.

cresshead
02-03-2008, 03:31 AM
yeah the vga can do 1280 by 1024..but the screen is 800x480

also..there's a windows xp ready version of the eee pc due to start shipping in april for around £285 so i'll wait for that one if you want a xp version rather than get the current one and have o mess with uninstalling and external cd drives and a new xp licence to get it onto the current one

talking about laptop's i'm just about to buy another one..
just need to decide between the acer's i'ver narrowed it down to...

one is :-
2ghz core2 duo
80gig hd
2gig ram
intel g chipset ax1300
dvd
15.4screen
£419inc vat

other is:-
2ghz core2 duo
250gig hd
2gig ram
nvidia geforce 8600GT [256ram]
hd dvd
15.4screen
£650inc vat

price difference is what's making my choice hard!

cresshead
02-03-2008, 03:35 AM
Are you suggesting that some NewTek product(s) won't run on Vista Business 64-Bit?
Are you also, indicating that some NewTek product(s) won't run on Ultimate 64-bit as well?

If so, is the case only after trying to run it past the trial period, as it's looking for the appropriate license key to be entered -- or it won't run (or install) at all? Please explain for any noobies among us?



Any replies from any other parties welcome, so long as it's in laypersons' terms. Thanks!
-PeterG

i'm running lw32bit and 64 bit at home on windows vista ultimate 64bit with no hassles

and at work i've installed lightwave on vista business 32bit and that's okay too..:thumbsup:

nart
02-04-2008, 05:26 AM
PeterG:

Hi, NART!
Can't say I clearly understand the disadvantage in having Vista Business 64-bit installed, relative to an OEM 32 bit license key?

--64 bit lets you use more RAM. I needed 64 bit for another renderer as well...that is why I needed Vista 64bit.

Are you inferring that SpeedEDIT won't run on Vista Business 64-Bit, once you've *already* attempted to run it past its trial period? Please explain the situation in laypersons' terms for us? Would appreciate it greatly, Thanks!

--I don't use SpeedEDIT, so I wouldn't know. I just use Lightwave.

Is your issue problematic for those who opt instead -- for 64-bit Vista Ultimate as well? f someone else cares to chime in here, to clarify what NART is expressing, by all means, go ahead. TIA!
-PeterG

--I'm not having any problems with 64bit and lightwave.

CreatvGnius
02-04-2008, 02:09 PM
it's not down to a specific version but the inability to squeeze the u.i of lightwave to 480pxels high..3dsmax can squeeze to whatever...but lightwave is really set for 800x600 which s too high for the es on a eee pc unless with xp and the eep you can run a virtual desktop which push crolls around a larger res

"es on an eee PC...and the eep" What's the meaning of all those abbreviations, fellas? An eee PC? Never heard that one before. Do tell, whazz'zat? :hat:
-PeterG

cresshead
02-04-2008, 02:14 PM
some of that is my typing and the 5min limit to edit it...

es should read res as in 'resolution'
and eep is eeepc!

dratted fingers not going where i want to!

CreatvGnius
02-04-2008, 02:48 PM
some of that is my typing and the 5min limit to edit it...

es should read res as in 'resolution'
and eep is eeepc!

dratted fingers not going where i want to!

Please forgive my ignorance, Cress -- but, again -- I have no idea what an "eeepc" is.

1. Would you or someone shed some light on the meaning of that apparent Personal Computer-related abbreviation, please?

Also,
2. I am led to imagine those should be all upper-case = "EEE PC". Am I correct?
Thanks in advance!
-PeterG

Exception
02-04-2008, 02:58 PM
http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm

cresshead
02-04-2008, 03:19 PM
http://eeepc.asus.com/global/

http://i.treehugger.com/images/2007/10/24/asus_eeepc_2.jpg

http://regmedia.co.uk/2007/06/06/asus_eeepc_3.jpg

youtube review
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4aW_7DtlTI

Speedmonk42
02-05-2008, 08:35 PM
Posting the first picture twice would have been better than the second.

RedBull
02-05-2008, 10:05 PM
Posting the first picture twice would have been better than the second.

LOL, It's an evolutionary chart...

You Start with the first picture, you end up with the 2nd picture....
And after that you can forget about the EeePC being in any picture, because all your money was already spent on the first two items...Forever! :)

ted
02-06-2008, 07:42 PM
My wife agrees now that she would like a laptop! YeeeeHaaaw!
This gives me another chance to buy a backup for SpeedEDIT. :D

She says "NO SpeedEDIT on it", she's afraid she wouldn't get time with it.
But she doesn't know how fun SE is to work with. :) She's my next intern.
God I hope she doesn't read this.

It won't be another Alienware, but won't be a $300 Dell either.
Christmas in January. :thumbsup:

Speedmonk42
02-07-2008, 02:01 AM
They will apparently be shipping Dell 1330's with Penryns soon.

Not sure if that matters.

I just felt the need to write something.

ted
02-07-2008, 11:54 AM
Thanks for writing. Yeh, now I gotta do the homework again.

CreatvGnius
02-07-2008, 12:08 PM
Thanks for writing. Yeh, now I gotta do the homework again.

What level of power will you be looking for in "your wife's" new notebook, Ted (Don't be too greedy, or she'll know the *real* deal!)?

I'm happy with this middle-of-the-road

HP dv9700T with Core™2 Duo t7500 processor. Admittedly, I have no HD acquisition just yet, though...
-PeterG

CreatvGnius
02-07-2008, 12:16 PM
What level of power will you be looking for in "your wife's" new notebook, Ted (Don't be too greedy, or she'll know the *real* deal!)?

I'm happy with this middle-of-the-road HP dv9700T...
-PeterG
Not doing HD yet, but SpeedEDIT seems quite snappy on this baby. Your wife will probably want something smaller than 17", no?

For maximum horsepower for your money, within the "consumer" range of notebook, I might encourage you to go with a Core™2 Duo by Intel, rather than the AMD offerings (at this juncture).

This new unit here, sports 2 internal hard drives, and is a custom replacement from HP (for my frequently "freeze-up" plagued, Turion 64x2-based dv9008nr model purchased over a year ago).

Tip: Do check out Costco.com
-PeterG
p.s.: Specs below

– Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (32-bit)
– Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo Processor T7500 (2.20 GHz, 4 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
– 17.0" WXGA+ High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1440 x 900)
– 2GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
– 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS
– HP Imprint Finish (Radiance) + Webcam + Microphone
– Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 4965AGN Network Connection and Bluetooth(TM)
– 240GB 7200RPM SATA Dual Hard Drive (120GB x 2)
– LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
– No TV Tuner w/remote control
– Extra High Capacity 8 Cell Lithium Ion Batteries
– Microsoft(R) Works 9.0
– HP Home & Home Office Store in-box envelope

ted
02-07-2008, 07:00 PM
What level of power will you be looking for in "your wife's" new notebook, Ted (Don't be too greedy, or she'll know the *real* deal!)?PeterG

You are soooo right. After 20 years of being married I still struggle to sneak my real motives past her.

I just told her you guys are trying to help her and she said (with a grin), she doesn't want our help. Don't take it personal. :D Little does she know she's going to get our help no matter what. HA!

She only needs e-mail, internet, MS office and that's about it.
All I need is to be able to dump our video files on the SpeedEDIT timeline and confirm they look good before we format the card. Playback stutter won't kill me. I hope to never need this backup anyway, but it'll be nice to have.

alanestrada
02-07-2008, 08:58 PM
(I think I'm getting a Lenovo: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo processor T7250 (2.0GHz 800MHz 2MBL2) 15.4 WSXGA+ TFT, NVIDIA Quadro FX 570M (256MB Open GL))

FYI, here's a price drop on this HP model, it's and old processor though:

HP - Special Edition Laptop with Intel® Centrino® - Clay
Model: dv6780se | SKU: 8669504
Reg. Price:
$1,149.99
You Save:
$150.00
Sale:
$999.99

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8669504&type=product&id=1196470766824
Product Features

* Enhanced Intel® Centrino® processor technology with interrelated Intel® Core™2 Duo mobile processor T5450, Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965AGN network connection (802.11a/b/g/n) and extended battery life capability
* 3GB DDR2 memory for multitasking power; expandable to 4GB; 667MHz frontside bus, 2MB L2 cache and 1.67GHz processor speed
* SuperMulti DVD±RW/CD-RW drive with double-layer support records up to 8.5GB of data or 4 hours of video using compatible DVD+R DL media; supports DVD-RAM; also supports LightScribe direct-disc labels using compatible LightScribe media

* The next-generation Intel® Core™2 Duo processor is based on the innovative Intel® Core™ microarchitecture, so it runs faster and is more energy-efficient for cooler, quieter operation
* 15.4" WXGA high-definition widescreen display with BrightView technology and 1280 x 800 resolution
* 250GB Serial ATA hard drive (5400 rpm)
* NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS graphics with up to 1535MB total graphics memory (256MB dedicated); S-video TV-out, HDMI output
* QuickPlay music and DVD buttons; HP mobile remote and ear bud headphones included
* Built-in HP Pavilion Web cam and integrated microphone make it easy to chat with family and friends
* 5-in-1 digital media reader supports Secure Digital, MultiMediaCard, Memory Stick, Memory Stick PRO and xD-Picture Card media
* IEEE 1394 port and 3 high-speed USB 2.0 ports for fast digital video, audio and data transfer
* Built-in 10/100Base-T Ethernet LAN with RJ-45 connector; 56 Kbps modem; Expansion Port 3 connector
* Weighs 6.8 lbs. and measures just 1.7" thin for portable power; lithium-ion battery and AC adapter
* Long-lasting special edition HP Imprint high-gloss finish in Thrive; backlit media control panel
* Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium Edition operating system preinstalled; software package included with HP Photosmart Essentials, muvee autoProducer, CyberLink DVD Suite and more

CreatvGnius
02-07-2008, 11:48 PM
You are soooo right. After 20 years of being married I still struggle to sneak my real motives past her.

I just told her you guys are trying to help her and she said (with a grin), she doesn't want our help. Don't take it personal. :D Little does she know she's going to get our help no matter what. HA!

She only needs e-mail, internet, MS office and that's about it.
All I need is to be able to dump our video files on the SpeedEDIT timeline and confirm they look good before we format the card. Playback stutter won't kill me. I hope to never need this backup anyway, but it'll be nice to have.

I'd like to encourage you [two] to get a T7500 processor or better (with 800MHz FSB) should you follow my earlier suggestion to go with Intel Core™ 2 Duo. That way, you [both] will be happier over a longer number of months, with its performance, while grinding away at some intensive SpeedEDIT -- uh, ah' mean, SPREADsheet operations.

Hey! W-wait a sec, Ted -- that's not to be taken as a pun!
-PeterG

cresshead
02-08-2008, 03:25 AM
the acer laptop arrived yesterday...so far it's V cool....just need ton install some apps on it now!

acer:-
core 2 duo 2ghz
2 gig ram
250 hd
256 8600 nvidia g card
15.4 screen
vista home premium
built in webcam
HD dvd read/writer
dolby 5 surround sound system with sub woofer
1 gig turbo cache

bought it from amazon.co.uk

CreatvGnius
02-08-2008, 08:05 AM
the acer laptop arrived yesterday...so far it's V cool....just need ton install some apps on it now!

acer:-
core 2 duo 2ghz
2 gig ram
250 hd
256 8600 nvidia g card
15.4 screen
vista home premium
built in webcam
HD dvd read/writer
dolby 5 surround sound system with sub woofer
1 gig turbo cache

bought it from amazon.co.uk

Lookin' good, Cresshead. I'm likin' dat' cache'! 'Suspect you'll take the time to uninstall the crapware. Which model Core™2 Duo processor does that baby sport?
-PeterG

Defiance
02-14-2008, 02:38 PM
most dells are constructed in the most low budget awful way

The Latitude line is very well constructed. Aside from the paint, which scratches a bit more easily than a Thinkpad (this is because the Latitudes have metal casings with actual paint, while the new Thinkpads are plastic that doesn't scratch as easily), the chassis is just as solid. It's the newer Inspirons that have issues.

Exception
02-16-2008, 03:14 PM
It won't be another Alienware, but won't be a $300 Dell either.
Christmas in January. :thumbsup:

Ted, if you like alienwares, check out Sager (http://www.sagernotebook.com/default.php). They are the official importer for Clevo laptops, and all alienware laptops are rebranded Clevos...
So are Northwest falcon, voodoo pc, and many others. They're outstanding laptops, but you don't need to pay alienware prices for it unless you are particularly fond of the alien on the cover :)

ted
02-16-2008, 04:39 PM
I looked at and liked the Sagers as well. But that Alien Head that lights up is too cool! :D
I guess I like Aliens. :hey:

We're probably going down to Best Buy to look at some today. Still trying to boost the wife's expectations. :help:

CreatvGnius
02-16-2008, 05:19 PM
I looked at and liked the Sagers as well. But that Alien Head that lights up is too cool! :D
I guess I like Aliens. :hey:

We're probably going down to Best Buy to look at some today. Still trying to boost the wife's expectations. :help:

IMHO, too many of the notebook PCs in the inventory currently at Best Buy, have relatively lame processors, for the money, as regards Intel™ Core™2 Duo. Most all of them are in the modestly powered t5xxx series.

I'd opt for checking Costco.com (or walk into such a store if accessible to where you live), Ted -- so you get your eyes (and/or hands) on a t7500 or better Core™2 Duo. In summary, Costco will give you a better processor, at a decent price, from what I've been able to tell, vis a' vis Best Buy.
-PeterG

CreatvGnius
02-16-2008, 05:25 PM
the acer laptop arrived yesterday...so far it's V cool....just need ton install some apps on it now!

acer:-
core 2 duo 2ghz
2 gig ram...
1 gig turbo cache

bought it from amazon.co.uk

Which processor, specifically? Intel T7600 perhaps? And what of "Turbo cache' "? Uh, Wh-w-whazzat?
-PeterG

Exception
02-17-2008, 11:07 AM
And what of "Turbo cache' "? Uh, Wh-w-whazzat?
-PeterG

An intel thing supposed to speed up fast frequently occuring memory transactions. It works only a little bit, and not in all circumstances.
Still, not a bad thing to have.

CreatvGnius
02-17-2008, 07:34 PM
An intel thing supposed to speed up fast frequently occuring memory transactions. It works only a little bit, and not in all circumstances.
Still, not a bad thing to have.

Hi, Exception. Truly curious which one of the many Core™2 Duo CPUs you have, gracing that fine machine of yours.

With Windows Vista™ all I need do was to navigate to:
START > right click on: COMPUTER > scroll down to PROPERTIES.

There, one can find that so-called "Windows Experience Index" (mine is only 3.4, due to the graphics being only the nVidia 8400GS with 256MB of Graphics RAM - the weakest link in my notebook.)

If you don't mind, would you inform us which processor you've got, and what that machine's "Windows Experience Index" is? (Someone else may be inheriting this notebook as I have one eye open for another one already...)
:heart:
Since you're looking for a notebook Ted, pay careful attention to this matter (you could use this info while in the stores comparing laptops for Mrs.! ;-)
:thumbsup:

-PeterG

cresshead
02-17-2008, 07:56 PM
Lookin' good, Cresshead. I'm likin' dat' cache'! 'Suspect you'll take the time to uninstall the crapware. Which model Core™2 Duo processor does that baby sport?
-PeterG

no idea..other than 'intel':D
2ghz core 2 duo
hang on a sec>>>
just looked on it..it's a t7300
800mhz frontside cache 4mb level 2 cache]


seems to render pretty fast too only have 2 apps on it as yet..max2008 and pencil [2d fre app see the sketch forum for details if you need to]

i'll load lightwave on once we get a new beta to play with:thumbsup:

Exception
02-17-2008, 08:01 PM
Hi, Exception. Truly curious which one of the many Core™2 Duo CPUs you have, gracing that fine machine of yours.

Me?
I just work on a various set of boring university computers...



With Windows Vista™ all I need do was to navigate to:
START > right click on: COMPUTER > scroll down to PROPERTIES.

I work in windows XP.
But WindowsKey-Pause|Break key will also give you that panel ;)

Perhaps I mistakenly led you to believe I have a fancy laptop?
I don't... I'd like one and I sold laptops for a few years, and like them as objects, so I keep up with their development.
I have an older Asus (W3V)that still words very ncie and looks great, but nothing in terms of speed.

CreatvGnius
02-17-2008, 08:29 PM
Me?
I just work on a various set of boring university computers...




I work in windows XP.
But WindowsKey-Pause|Break key will also give you that panel ;)

Perhaps I mistakenly led you to believe I have a fancy laptop?
I don't... I'd like one and I sold laptops for a few years, and like them as objects, so I keep up with their development.
I have an older Asus (W3V)that still words very ncie and looks great, but nothing in terms of speed.

Oh, OK, I understand completely, Exception -- and thanks for that XP short-cut. Doubt that it works in Vista (well, it can't on my HP notebook: this baby hase "PAUSE" and "BREAK" on two, separate keys!

...BTW, we've got real close kin up there in New Haven. Got to get up there some day -- especially during the turning of the leaves in mid-fall: "Beautiful place to be with a camera!" so I'm told. :thumbsup:
-PeterG

CreatvGnius
02-17-2008, 08:43 PM
no idea..other than 'intel':D
2ghz core 2 duo
hang on a sec>>>
just looked on it..it's a t7300
800mhz frontside cache 4mb level 2 cache]...


Cool! So an Intel™ Core™2 Duo t7300 CPU with 4Mb of cache' isn't a bad machine to work with then! Good to know! Still listening Ted?

Thanks for the reply, Cresshead -- and for schoolin' me about some freely distributed 2D app called "Pencil"!
-PeterG

ted
02-17-2008, 10:01 PM
Yup, still here. The wife and I just got back from shopping. One of the things that eliminated so many notebooks was the resolution.
I know NewTek states minimum at 1280 X 1024. Most of the 15" and even 17" are max 1200 X 800. Would this be a show stopper? How so or not?

I've taken the fun out of her purchase! :) I've upped the purchase price and still can't beat the 1200 X 800 resolution point.

Remember, this isn't for editing. It's for an emergency laptop to dump DVCPro files to on locaton and open SpeedEDIT to check color and sound.
I don't want to spend a grand if it ain't going to work.
She really wants a 15" so if any of you can confirm the resolution issue, SHE would again like you guys and me as well! :D

CreatvGnius
02-17-2008, 10:14 PM
Yup, still here. The wife and I just got back from shopping. One of the things that eliminated so many notebooks was the resolution.
I know NewTek states minimum at 1280 X 1024. Most of the 15" and even 17" are max 1200 X 800. Would this be a show stopper? How so or not?

I've taken the fun out of her purchase! :) I've upped the purchase price and still can't beat the 1200 X 800 resolution point.
Can't Beat the 1200 x 800 native display paradigm?
Sure you can. You just walked into the wrong store, that's all!

My problem with that 1280 x 1024 spec, Ted, is my suspicion that it may well be borrowed from the VT[x] minimum spec paradigm.
That's to say, that it was developed back in the day when the likelihood was that you'd be working on a conventional aspect ratio for computer displays at the time (late 1990s and early 2000s). The presupposition was that a typical desktop display monitor would be employed for video Preview, not one with a 16:10 display like many are today.

Your notebook -- I mean, your wife's notebook PC :D ...will likely have a 16:10 aspect ratio -- which means the 1280 x 1024 spec doesn't immediately respect what you'll be working with.

FYI, the Costco site (which I thought you might have visited by now, with some model(s) of notebooks you thought you'd like feedback on --- has some HP notebooks (like this HP unit here) with 1400 x 900 native display resolution.

I'm not at all suggesting, though that you shouldn't aim higher. I would think that you could go online to HP's website and "design your own" PC -- even if you weren't serious about ringing out your "shopping cart".

Go to hp.com and see what you're able to fabricate, as it were -- in the way of a really high-res screen, to accommodate 16x9 1080P if that's doable -- also a t7300 processor (w/4MB L2 cache' and 800MHz Front-side buss) or better and such.

Let your fingers get' ta' clickin on that mouse at hp.com or someplace similar, guy... :thumbsup:
-PeterG

ted
02-17-2008, 11:26 PM
Thanks to you I went to HP again and this time found a decent one for $1,100.

Intel(R) Core(TM) 2 Duo Pprocessor T7250 (2.00 GHz, 2 MB L2 Cache, 800MHz FSB)
– 15.4" WXGA High-Definition HP BrightView Widescreen Display (1280 x 800)
– 2GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
– 256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8400M GS - For Core 2 Duo Processors
– HP Imprint Finish (Influx) + Fingerprint Reader + Webcam + Microphone
-Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 4965AGN Network Connection!!
-250GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive from 160GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive!!
-LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support!!
– 12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
– Microsoft(R) Office Small Business 2007

Sounds like a great buy, BUT...still only 1280 X 800 Display. Still wondering about this??? There is always one thing missing. :)

Exception
02-18-2008, 12:15 AM
Hey Ted,

Sager's NP2092 15.4" Notebook is available with 1600x1050 screen resolution
http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=46090

Also Asus's G1S-B2 15.4" laptop, which is their cheapest 15.4" but a very powerful one (3gb standard and all that), has a 1600x1050 screen.

Lenovo has several thinkpads with SXGA+ (1400 X 1050) resolution screens... Thinkpads are the king of laptops, but they aren't that expensive anymore now Lenovo makes them. They even made them better...

Thing is, you really can't buy the best laptops in stores any more. They're always outdated, always overpriced, and service in a store isn't better either. The best notebook manufacturers (asus, lenovo, sager...) don't even sell their notebooks to stores anymore.

I'd steer clear of HP, Toshiba, Dell and Sony if you want to stay out of trouble. They're really not up to the quality levels of these other guys.

CreatvGnius
02-18-2008, 07:46 AM
Thanks to you I went to HP again and this time found a decent one for $1,100.

But Ted, what's so hard about going to the area of HP's site where you can configure your own Notebook PC (what on earth do you want to pay for a finger-print reader for?) Put your money into the screen res you'd like to have, the processor you'd be happier with for the longer haul (I still say t7300 (or better than that -- a t7500 with 4MB L2 cache').

And are you uh, is she really going to use that webcam? OK, now you're going to go out and purchase a wireless N router, to replace your current wireless G, just to accommodate that "N" capable wireless card in that new notebook? C'mon, mate! Stop pooh-poohing with the offerings already configured for people who want a notebook handed to them on a silver platter!

Configure your own, and get that screen rez, that processor power, that 7200 RPM SATA drive you I mean your wife truly deserves!:hammer:
-PeterG

CreatvGnius
02-18-2008, 08:03 AM
The best notebook manufacturers (asus, lenovo, sager...) don't even sell their notebooks to stores anymore.

I'd steer clear of HP, Toshiba, Dell and Sony if you want to stay out of trouble. They're really not up to the quality levels of these other guys.
Allow me to politely take, er -- exception to a couple of claims posted by our friend above.

Firstly, Have you not seen the onslaught of ASUS notebooks and Desktop PCs lurking at your friendly neighborhood Best Buy toystore?

Next, please be careful about the needless over-generalization with respect to the quality of a particular brand of computer products.

HP makes some quality units, and I'm sure they churn out some with less-than desirable quality and reliability. For a good number of months if not a couple fo years -- Sony VAIO had held the #1 spot (with Consumers Union -- not that they are the end-all and be-all in product evaluation, mind you) for product reliability and quality of service with respect to laptops, bested only by Apple in that regard -- only I must state that they may have slipped some in their ratings, as have other manufacturers last time I checked.

Hmmmp! I'm willing to bet there are great, value and performance leaders that are viable alternatives to the 3 brands you've named. Again, even within those brands, might well be some lackluster choices, given what TED and his wife really want to do with their machine :grumpy:(if they can manage to share)...

Again, Ted, try to see what you can get away with in a custom-ordered PC, but don't go to the box store first. Go there after narrowing down your choices further -- surf. click, configure, check out the price.

Of the box stores, Costco (for the very last time, Ted) offers more cutting-edge technology in notebooks, than can be had at Best Buy.

Now let's get ta' snappin'! :D
-PeterG

ted
02-18-2008, 05:27 PM
Thanks for all the input. Still wondering about the 1200 X 800 GFX display.
I'm leaning to the Lenovo, which I just discovered this weekend.

I like the NVIDIA cards, but keep seeing the Intel GMA X3100 GM965 GFX cards. Any thoughts on that. Seems to be what I keep running into but not sure enough to go with.

Seems like you get 80% ready to buy, and then bang! Some dead end component, or item that you aren't sure about.
I'd love to see "ball park" prices when you suggest a good choice. I'm hoping to be about $1,000 give or take a couple hundred. I started at $699.
I keep hitting that $1,500 Plus figure for what I....er....my wife wants. :D

CreatvGnius
02-18-2008, 10:52 PM
Thanks for all the input. Still wondering about the 1200 X 800 GFX display.
I'm leaning to the Lenovo, which I just discovered this weekend.

I like the NVIDIA cards, but keep seeing the Intel GMA X3100 GM965 GFX cards. Any thoughts on that. Seems to be what I keep running into but not sure enough to go with.

Seems like you get 80% ready to buy, and then bang! Some dead end component, or item that you aren't sure about.
I'd love to see "ball park" prices when you suggest a good choice. I'm hoping to be about $1,000 give or take a couple hundred. I started at $699.
I keep hitting that $1,500 Plus figure for what I....er....my wife wants. :D
Naw. You're not wondering! You and I both know that you won't be too tickled with that stingy :devil: 1200 x 800 resolution, now Ted -- considering how easy it really is, to get better than that within your price range, if you'd try a different shopping paradigm.

Now of course, your wife might be utterly satisfied... :heart:
-PeterG

ted
02-24-2008, 09:16 PM
I finally bought the wife "her" laptop. :thumbsup:
We settled on the HP dv6775. Just about everything I, err, she needed. A 250 gig 5400 HD with 3 gigs of memory, NVIDIA 8400 with 256mg dedicated memory. I made a couple sacrifices but nothing that should keep SE from giving me picture and sound in a pinch.
Office Depot had it in stock for $850 counting rebates. Even cheaper then on line prices. Better then the $1,200 and up I was going to throw at this “Back-up” system.

Spent my few spare hours this weekend configuring everything for her, the way it should be. :hey:
Now I gotta try and install the P2 software and SpeedEDIT to see if SHE made the right decision! :D
Thanks to all, especially Pete who inspired me to keep going when I was about to give up finding that perfect balance.

The wife said she was about to go out on her own and buy one since I was taking so long.
I said fine, I wouldn't be her tech support guy if she didn't take "our" input. She said she wouldn't….
do my laundry. You thought I was going elsewhere didn't you. :hey:
After 20 years, we take good care of each other.

By the way, she says thanks to ya'll.

CreatvGnius
02-25-2008, 04:25 PM
Ok, good deal, Ted. Now, I'd recommend you make a set of System Recovery discs, using the utility that's accessible from within the START menu, or within Control Panel.

Also, you might be thinking about having a fast external firewire or USB 2 drive on hand, for those times you want to rock with your editing apps on that backup machine -- without polluting your wife's drive with your media content.

One other thing: flip that baby over, and see if you find a panel that's held closed by a pair of phillips screws, with a symbol that looks like a stack of platters, and a numeral "2" near the symbol. If you find such, then that means you could add a 2nd internal drive (unless you've really got 2 drives, about 120 GB each)!

-PeterG

alanestrada
08-23-2008, 11:00 AM
I bought a SAGER and it works very good, I would recommend this brand so far.
Good service and good product