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Speedmonk42
01-22-2008, 10:53 AM
I was looking at Sorenson yesterday, and I felt like I was trying to figure out a cell phone plan.

For what this software does, it seems expensive to me.

I am I just better off buying something like SpeedEdit? Do people that own a Video Editor like SE ever buy anything like Sorenson?

I just want to convert videos from one format to another and compile frames from LW.

manholoz
01-22-2008, 02:30 PM
ummm for something that simple, try virtualdub. It's opensource, it's free

Speedmonk42
01-22-2008, 11:21 PM
I will check it out, thanks!

But what is it that Sorenson does that makes it soooo expensive?

jburford
01-23-2008, 01:20 AM
I use and prefer ProCoder, is really nice but of course, not free.

adamredwoods
01-23-2008, 05:51 PM
But what is it that Sorenson does that makes it soooo expensive?

Marketing.

There are plenty of alternatives to Sorenson out there, but Sorenson tends to try and do everything. If you need it for many different delivery formats, then it might pay off.

trick
01-24-2008, 12:51 AM
I use Sorenson for complete project delivery: from uncompressed avi's it generates MPEG2, MPEG1, WMV and QT (both as file for playing from PC as streaming formats for internet, including H264 and ON6VP). It can generate everything in one batch and if you know its quirks it can be a real timesaver: with each software update you have to delete really everything, including some registry entries and even your presets to keep it functioning flawlessly !! The MPEG2 codec is the one from Mainconcept, but for some reason it generates better quality at the same bitrate as the one from Premiere. Generally for all formats, especially the streaming ones, quality is between 1.5 and 2 times better at the same bitrate.

If you want to keep your clients happy, don't want to spent time on all those formats, and don't want to be surprised by the quality external agencies generate from your files, Sorenson Squeeze is the way to go...at least for me. I have tried far more expensive packages, but quality is not that much better. If you have lots of time, don't care about a nice interface and good batch utilities and only need one format there are cheaper options...

norlight
01-27-2008, 09:55 AM
Also, donīt forget about olī QuickTime Pro. If your needs are modest, QT Pro could be all you need!

;)

Speedmonk42
01-28-2008, 03:36 PM
Also, donīt forget about olī QuickTime Pro. If your needs are modest, QT Pro could be all you need!

;)

Am I the only person on the planet that really hates QT?

Steamthrower
01-28-2008, 04:25 PM
Am I the only person on the planet that really hates QT?

Yes.

I love it personally. My format of preference.

eagleeyed
01-28-2008, 04:39 PM
I dont hate it, but I do dislike it. So we could kinda be on the same page.

norlight
01-29-2008, 09:03 AM
I know QT Pro isnīt perfect (specially on Win), but there are so many different ways the QT architecture can be to good use!

Other media players/containers do certainly have there shear bit of problems, as far as I can see on some discussions forums.

So whatīs the reason(s) for HATING QT? And is this hatred targeted at QT, QT Pro or both?

Not wanting to start a major/traditional war here, Iīm just curious what YOUR reasons are!

:question:

Von Polygon
02-19-2008, 10:54 AM
Sorenson Squeeze is dedicated compression and media mastering suite with multi-out and proper batch queing. Expensive - yes, but Cleaner XL and Cleaner 6 are even more expensive. Both suites are specifically designed for professional use and come with valid standard delivery format presets.

For just transcoding between different formats there are numerous alternatives (some of them freeware) such as Mediacoder, VirtualDub, TMPGEnc etc. You may discover they do not import/export all the formats you need and the results can be unpredictable e.g. your stuff goes in and "the return of the living dead" comes out at the other end...

They are worth a look though as far as price is concerned, but time spent tinkering with the settings to get the results you are after must be worth something too.

stib
02-19-2008, 01:26 PM
Quicktime just gets bloatier and bloatier, and the last few versions have been buggy. I used to be a fanboy, but these days it's the last on the list after things like VirtualDub, mpeg Streamclip (http://www.squared5.com/) (worth checking out, it can do a whole lot of conversions and even has batch processing capabilities), mPlayer/ mEncoder (http://www.mplayerhq.hu/) (player, encoder - command line but there are lots of guis around), DJV_view (http://djv.sourceforge.net/djv_view.html) (great little image sequence viewer / converter) VLC (http://www.videolan.org/vlc/) (plays anything, can do streaming) and Smplayer (http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/)(video player of choice, well at least for this week).

Apart from anything else they all load a lot quicker than Qt - and they won't try to install @*^#*& iTunes and apple software updates when you install them.

That said all my final renders go to clients as Animation codec quicktime movies. 90% of them are being editied on macs with Final Cut, so it makes sense.

Jim_C
02-19-2008, 01:46 PM
Am I the only person on the planet that really hates QT?


If I want to crash Firefox, all I have to do is try to play a quicktime clip.

Quicktime was (and still can be if you know how to tame and use it) great but now, the player at least, seems to be more of a bloated marketing gimmick.

Whatever happened to Quicktime? (http://www.streamingmedia.com/article.asp?id=9799)

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 01:54 PM
If I want to crash Firefox, all I have to do is try to play a quicktime clip.

Quicktime was (and still can be if you know how to tame and use it) great but now, the player at least, seems to be more of a bloated marketing gimmick.

Whatever happened to Quicktime? (http://www.streamingmedia.com/article.asp?id=9799)

I think that's more of a Firefox issue. Internet Explorer and Safari don't do that to me.

Jim_C
02-19-2008, 02:39 PM
I think that's more of a Firefox issue. Internet Explorer and Safari don't do that to me.

Very True. IE works fine here too. Should have noted that to start...

Just odd tho that it is the only thing I have trouble with when using FF.

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 02:40 PM
Actually, opening PDFs (in Acrobat) makes Firefox lock up for a few seconds on both my computers. Quicktime also locks it up for a few seconds as well.

stib
02-19-2008, 03:34 PM
Quicktime plays fine in Firefox for me. But I might be using the VLC plugin (http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/windows-all.html#VLC) (I can't remember, and can't be bothered finding out).

inigo: If you want a prime example of bloat then Acrobat is it. Try Sumatra pdf ('http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/"): very lightweight PDF reader, the download size is less than a couple of Megablobs. There's also Foxit reader.

creativecontrol
02-19-2008, 03:56 PM
Am I the only person on the planet that really hates QT?

No. I have always hated having to use it. It has always been nasty buggy. Like something a kid would program in their spare time.

I do like the quicktime reference format if you're using Avid but that's it.

I do use Sorenson a lot and like it because it batch processes easily, the interface is actually quite nice if you take a few minutes to learn it. It does however have some weirdness in encoding from time to time, depeding on settings and codecs.

I've heard good things about Procoder but I haven't used it yet.

Steamthrower
02-19-2008, 03:56 PM
@ stib: We actually bought the Foxit Editor because it was so stable and lightweight. I highly recommend that to you PC users out there. It's cheap too ($35 or so).

I'm getting to where I dislike working with any Adobe products. Photoshop and Premiere are supremely heavy...I mean Premiere has something like a 2 GB install! Come on! Dreamweaver and Flash work great for me, but that's because Adobe hasn't had them long enough to imbloaterize them...

druitre
02-20-2008, 03:28 AM
If I want to crash Firefox, all I have to do is try to play a quicktime clip.

Jim_C: it's a well known issue with quicktime in firefox; do this: open quicktime, go to quicktime prefs>advanced and enable safe mode GDI only. (disables directX)

by the way, I agree quicktime has become bloated semi-spyware