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ted
12-28-2007, 12:42 PM
Wouldn't you know it. We just had our Mitsubishi HD TV go out after 6 years after a power outage last night.

If you were buying today, what would you get.
Our viewing is from about 15-20 feet. The viewing angle is as much as 45 degrees right and left.

From the research I've done it looks like DLP 1080p is the best???
I'd like to go flat panel this time.
There is so much hype, what would you guys think is the best investment?
Thanks.

Steamthrower
12-28-2007, 12:44 PM
http://i23.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/cd/e5/2699_1.JPG

Steamthrower
12-28-2007, 12:46 PM
Well, okay, that was a joke! :D

It's kind of hard to give my opinion without knowing your budget though.

ted
12-28-2007, 01:25 PM
I'm looking at about a 3,000 starting point. Would love to go lower, but am willing to go higher to avoid the 'If I only spent a little more" feeling next month! :D
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that this morning.

iconoclasty
12-28-2007, 02:10 PM
I've just started looking around as well. Though I only want to spend about half of that.

ted
12-28-2007, 02:16 PM
Can anyone talk me out of the rear projection Big Screens? About 1/2 the price for a nice 65 inch DLP 1080p RP. I don't need or want it on the wall anyways.
What's the downside? :D

Dexter2999
12-28-2007, 02:24 PM
most companies are discontinuing DLP's in the next year and slashing LCD prices to try to knock plasmas out of the market.

hate to see them go myself. I recommend them to friends. Nice picture for a fraction of the price.

If you look around you should get a bargain on 720P monitors vs 1080P

*Pete*
12-28-2007, 02:32 PM
We had plans to buy a new, large flatscreen plasma tv for a long time...but then we changed our minds and threw out our old TV without replacing it with anything.

Having no TV at all improves life quality in ways you would never imagine, time spent watching realityshows is replaced by studying, learning and improving knowledge...ill never get a TV again and do not miss it at all, i wish i had done this years ago.

and..if you are not intrested in such drastical solutions, then yes...1080p is the way to go, and choose LCD display over plasma (plasma is not made that small anyway), becouse most likely you will want to use the TV as computer display sometimes, and LCD fits better for this purpose.

as for size...bigger is better.

Steamthrower
12-28-2007, 02:54 PM
Believe it or not I don't have a TV and don't plan to buy one anytime soon. For the exact same reasons that Pete here just said.

I still enjoy watching films though. That's what a widescreen TV is really for...watching I Am Legend in the full HD glory.

2BitSculptor
12-28-2007, 05:39 PM
If you watch a lot of Blu-Ray discs, then go with a 1080... otherwise, I think most broadcast and HD DVDs are in 720.

...8 to 15 feet, I think anything between 42 and 52 inch is sufficient... at 15+ feet I'd shoot for at least 52 inch. nearing 20 feet go with the 60 inch.

Chuck

ted
12-28-2007, 07:16 PM
While I understand your points, "No TV" isn't an option. :D
Just now I watched 2 of our commercials in a 4 spot break. It's business! :hey:

What's the story on eliminating DLP? I hadn't heard anything about that.

IMI
12-28-2007, 09:26 PM
I'm looking at about a 3,000 starting point. Would love to go lower, but am willing to go higher to avoid the 'If I only spent a little more" feeling next month! :D
Thanks for the laugh. I needed that this morning.

$3,000! As in three thousand dollars?
Man, there's no way I'd spend that kind of moola on a TV, unless it made snacks for me and served my favorite beer. And blocked out anything described as "reality". :D
it's bad enough I'm going to *have to* buy a HDTV next year. We have three identical Sony 27" TV's - one in the living room, one in the bedroom, and one in the office, but pretty much watch mostly news, Simpsons, Seinfeld reruns, and movies on DVD.
I couldn't do without a TV, but I'll not be getting anything that big and expensive.

Silkrooster
12-28-2007, 10:34 PM
Can anyone talk me out of the rear projection Big Screens? About 1/2 the price for a nice 65 inch DLP 1080p RP. I don't need or want it on the wall anyways.
What's the downside? :D
Downside comes when you decide it is time to move. Especially if you have to use the stairs. lol.
Good luck in what ever you decide.
Silk

ted
12-28-2007, 11:25 PM
Wow, about 10pm tonight the TV came back to life. Glad I left it plugged in! Must have been the power surge made it loopy. Might stay fixed, or die tomorrow, but it's working now!

Thanks goodness the repair guy said he had to cancel today and would be here tomorrow. I called and told him to hold off for now. :thumbsup:

Thanks for all your input, and humor. Great minds here. I'll get to hold off and see what's available next go round.

DiscreetFX
12-29-2007, 12:39 AM
We bought this 52' Plasma last year at Costco for $1499. I think they are even cheaper now. We love it, nice set.

http://www.amazon.com/Maxent-50in-WXGA-HD-Plasma/dp/B000K6UIN8

We also have an older 42' Plasma from the same company we bought in 2004. It still works fantastic.

Dexter2999
12-29-2007, 07:53 AM
What's the story on eliminating DLP? I hadn't heard anything about that.

http://tinyurl.com/2hmh5u

I mis-spoke. While I believe this story that Sony will discontinue their rear projection sets, Samsung actually makes the top selling models. Even so, I think it boils down to supply and demand and the cost of maintaining the manufacturing. For Sony it doesn't make sense to keep making them when the Bravia line is selling like crazy.

Glad your set resurrected itself. Maybe it will hold out until OLED sets are out and LCD's become dirt cheap ;)

Steamthrower
12-29-2007, 08:31 AM
Thanks for all your input, and humor. Great minds here.

I totally agree, the humor and intelligence displayed here is quite astounding and inspirational. *ahem*

Verlon
12-29-2007, 08:42 AM
I just go a 1080p DLP in Februrary (no image burn is a big plus). Rumor has it that there is soon to be laser based DLPs that are also flat paneled. I haven't looked.

My previous HDTV had image burned the bands down the sides from watch SD programs (yuck, but a neccesarry evil at times) on a widescreen TV.

mattclary
12-29-2007, 11:10 AM
Wow, about 10pm tonight the TV came back to life. Glad I left it plugged in! Must have been the power surge made it loopy. Might stay fixed, or die tomorrow, but it's working now!


I have found that LCDs (and probably plasmas) are more like computers than TVs. In a scenario such as yours (TV just wouldn't come on, right?) try cycling the master power switch, usually in the back of the TV. If that fails, or no master switch exists, unplug it a few minutes, the plug it back in.

I see this with computers all the time (I have a small repair business) and have seen it at least twice with my 32" LCD.


And, FYI, from what I have seen, it is hard to beat Sam's Club and Wal-Mart on flat screen prices. We don't have Costco here, but I think it would be similar.

pumeco
12-30-2007, 09:00 AM
Ted, not sure if you're still considering stuff, but...

Why not forget about TV's altogether and go for a proper projector? A 50" screen might sound impressive, but they've got nothing over the 300"+ output possible from a real projector. Granted, you need a room with a nice big wall to spare, but at least when the image is presented on a wall, you'll actually take-up less space than is being used right now by your TV.

I'm not sure what's going on with DLP, but I've been using projectors for many years now and can tell you for a fact that LCD based projectors are far superior to DLP. That might not be the case with flat-screen TV's, but it sure as hell is where real projectors are concerned.

When everyone else was using DLP, Epson went their own way and used the 3LCD system. Now, the others are starting to see sense and many have stated that they're also changing over to 3LCD. Panasonic have already started (and they're using the same engine as Epson), but even so, it's not as good as the Epson.

I recommend this (ignore the price - you can get it for WAY cheaper than that):
http://www.epson.co.uk/projectors/Epson-EMP-TW1000-HD-Projector.htm

That projector simply knocks the sh*t out of the competition, and even when it's covering an entire wall, it's more vibrant than an LCD screen! It's next on my list, my current one being only a standard resolution Epson (which even that knocks the sh*t out of any LCD or plasma screen) and only cost me just over 400 quid!

One last thing... if you 'do' consider a real projector, whatever you do, never judge their ability from an in-shop demo (unless it's professionally installed), because the difference when you get it home in the right environment will knock you out!

Oh, and there's none of that 'viewing angle' nonsense you get with LCD screens, either :) In short, there is nothing on this earth that's better to watch than a 'real' HD1080p projector on a wall!

If there is ... I've never seen it.

gkenney
01-01-2008, 07:01 AM
I bought a 47" 1080P LCD at Circuit City (Sams has the same) for about $1400 about two months ago. I like it. Does anyone know a secret about how to make it not turn blue when you video it?????

Stooch
01-01-2008, 01:18 PM
46 inch samsung LCD. i have the 40 inch of the older generation and the picture is AMAZING. the new generation has better LCD and suppozedly even better blacks. but if you want the best bang for your buck get a samsung!

p.s. here is a little secret. sony gets all of their panels from samsung! and they are one year behind in terms of latest tech, while samsung has the most advanced panels since they make em! you pay 1k more for a sony for the name!

cresshead
01-01-2008, 02:20 PM
We had plans to buy a new, large flatscreen plasma tv for a long time...but then we changed our minds and threw out our old TV without replacing it with anything.

Having no TV at all improves life quality in ways you would never imagine, time spent watching realityshows is replaced by studying, learning and improving knowledge...ill never get a TV again and do not miss it at all, i wish i had done this years ago.

:thumbsup:

same here..i got packed away my TV in april 2007...the only thing i really missed was watching the F1 racing...other than that i feel loads better not having to suffer endless cheap poo shows on tv and adverts...

i watch much more training material and also my growing dvd collection on my pc monitors...though i do have a hankering for a good projector at some point!:D ...for the dvd's!

Stooch
01-01-2008, 04:53 PM
We had plans to buy a new, large flatscreen plasma tv for a long time...but then we changed our minds and threw out our old TV without replacing it with anything.

Having no TV at all improves life quality in ways you would never imagine, time spent watching realityshows is replaced by studying, learning and improving knowledge...ill never get a TV again and do not miss it at all, i wish i had done this years ago..


really? i watch alot of educational content on my tv and enrich my mind regularly through programs such as discovery, learning, science channels, etc.

quality of life has improved greatly for me. infact its kind of silly to even bring up the notion in a forum which is supported by the very market you are seeking to eschew. Unless of course you figured out a new way to deliver your CG content.

sorry if its off topic but im replying to an off topic quote :)

cresshead
01-01-2008, 04:56 PM
ahh you missed the meeting then!
tv is dead...long live the internet and mobile phones!

just look at what apple, xbox360 and ps3 are doing...media centers...broadcast tv?...for how long?
it's the end of the wave for tv...they need to re invent themselves pretty quickly
the bbc is really scared...

CreatvGnius
01-02-2008, 02:31 PM
Wouldn't you know it. We just had our Mitsubishi HD TV go out after 6 years after a power outage last night.

If you were buying today, what would you get.
Our viewing is from about 15-20 feet. The viewing angle is as much as 45 degrees right and left.

From the research I've done it looks like DLP 1080p is the best???
I'd like to go flat panel this time.
There is so much hype, what would you guys think is the best investment?
Thanks.

Hi, Ted. You didn't engineer a problem that caused that TV to go out, so as to have a "reason" to replace it, now did you? :D

Do know this: from a power-consumption *and* life-expectancy standpoint, digital light projection is probably your worse bet! Prices are cheap on those units, though, so if you don't mind the spike in your energy bill, and also in the likelihood of significantly lesser life of the set, then take the risk.

Barring that, also note that LCDs are increasingly become impressive options, in many respects rivaling the performance of many plasmas -- except that plasmas have the capability of displaying a particularly deep black level, but there are perhaps other benefits too, but the LCDs have done a remarkable job catching up.

Perhaps you might appreciate these links, Ted. You'll have some good reading here, explaining screen distance/screen width/screen type issues, plus I've included a couple sources for screen-distance calculators.

http://myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

Now here's a screen-distance calculator in Excel format:

http://www.carltonbale.com/home-theater/home-theater-calculator/

and here's another screen-distance chart for your examination...

http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/

Hope some of this helps. :thumbsup:

-PeterG

CreatvGnius
01-02-2008, 02:45 PM
I bought a 47" 1080P LCD at Circuit City (Sams has the same) for about $1400 about two months ago. I like it. Does anyone know a secret about how to make it not turn blue when you video it?????

Er, did ya' try tweaking your white balance control(s), G?
-PeterG

Steamthrower
01-02-2008, 03:05 PM
That "turning blue" is Macrovision. It's there to stop you from copying DVDs and such. Usually it's the top half of the screen.

pumeco
01-02-2008, 03:06 PM
...though i do have a hankering for a good projector at some point!:D ...for the dvd's!
You owe it to your Anime's - you'll never look back :D

CreatvGnius
01-02-2008, 04:12 PM
I bought a 47" 1080P LCD at Circuit City (Sams has the same) for about $1400 about two months ago. I like it. Does anyone know a secret about how to make it not turn blue when you video it?????

Maybe it's not so much a secret: you could try the white balance control within the set's menu system, adjusting toward a warmer (i.e., color toward red) and/or adjust your camcorder's white balance control when the TV is displaying "white", for greater affect.
-PeterG

Liber777
01-02-2008, 10:37 PM
I think most broadcast and HD DVDs are in 720...

Most broadcast channels are 1080i, except for sports channels which are usually 720p. All HD-DVDs are 1080p, just like Blu-ray. Unless it's porn.

Stivan

Bitboy
01-03-2008, 12:11 AM
Hi Ted.

Please consider looking at the newest generations of plasmas from Panasonic and Pioneer. Especially the new Kuro models from Pioneer. They beat LCD everyday in regards to picture quality and yes both brands are available in Full HD in sizes up to 60" I believe. The Pioneers new Kuro models are being referred to as the best picture in a flat panel ever.

If that's too expensive check the Panasonic models. These are the only 2 brands that are good enough in plasma, and no one else spends the amount of moolah on research and development in plasma display as these 2 companies.

Probably why I have HD content from my satellite provider and my PS3 but no HDTV :D I only want the best, but don't have the money yet :D

Bitboy
01-03-2008, 12:36 AM
Grr.. Edit limit :p

Well what I wrote (but lost due to this) as additional info:

Trustedreviews has a review of the new Pioneer Elite (and a lot of other displays as well):
http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2007/12/15/Pioneer-KURO-PDP-LX608D-60in-Plasma-TV/p1

Check the Pioneer Kuro user comments that go along with the CNET review:
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/pioneer-kuro-pdp-5080/4505-6482_7-32476901.html

Business Week has a review of the Kuro Elite:
http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/dec2007/tc20071221_198870.htm

And to top it off a blog about TV/HD tech:
http://www.tvsnob.com/

There.. That should keep you busy :D

Bitboy
01-03-2008, 12:46 AM
Last from me since I forgot and it needs a mention. The new Panasonic Viera plasmas are a bit cheaper than the Pioneers but deliver a really good picture as well. Here's a review of the 56" model:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tvs/review/2007/12/20/Panasonic-Viera-TH-58PZ700-58in-Plasma-TV/p1

That's all from me :D

CreatvGnius
01-03-2008, 08:33 AM
Hi Ted.

Please consider looking at the newest generations of plasmas from Panasonic and Pioneer....

...but be careful that you've determined just what you'll be doing *most* with your chosen set; If you're going to use it to display mostly motion-images, then fine, plasma might well be an attractive choice (despite the higher cost, vs LCD).

But if a lot of static images will be employed in its use, then you'd be better to protect yourself from the burn-in issue, with an LCD (As was mentioned eariler by another poster, Samsung in particular offers awesome picture quality in LCDs, generally.)
-PeterG