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T-Light
07-03-2007, 08:51 AM
Don't know if I'm late to the bandwagon here, was looking around at fbx plugins and came across Daz's new site and the Hex 2.2 update.

It's Free to all of us who bought V2 and $1.99 to anyone who wants to become a member for a month (I think that's how they run it).

The docs say it has normal/bump support, that's either still just bump mapping or it really does have normal mapping now. Either way, I'm off to give it a whirl.

On another note, They've nicked my ID, I've been using 'model citizen' for years, what do they have on their site?... "Become a model citizen for only $1.99", typical :D

cresshead
07-03-2007, 09:28 AM
t-light your ''cheap''...only $1.99?:D

starbase1
07-03-2007, 09:31 AM
t-light, what is your opinion of hexagon? Does it add anything useful to LW Modeler? I know it's cheap, but is it worth investing the time in it?

Nick

T-Light
07-03-2007, 10:32 AM
Cress-

t-light your ''cheap''...only $1.99?
Exactly, I go for $2 and not a cent less :D

His Royal Noodly Appendage -

what is your opinion of hexagon?
Difficult one. If you have a brain like mine (sieve) then it's next to useless, put it down for a couple of months then you have to spend the time re-learning the whole thing, it's not very logical. The biggest problem with it in the past was speed. Even a powefull machine would be brought to its knees when painting or deforming with brushes. The blurb for v2.2 says it can now handle massive poly counts. We'll see. I'm having to find my original download at the minute as it says Hex isn't installed on this machine (it is, but I'm running Vista and something must have gone awry).

I'll pop back if I can get things running. :)

ZWF_BES
07-04-2007, 02:56 AM
Isn't the programm able to do 3d painting ?

I just wonder if its worth it for that purpose compared with lets say bodypaint.

scratch33
07-04-2007, 03:23 AM
Isn't the programm able to do 3d painting ?

I just wonder if its worth it for that purpose compared with lets say bodypaint.

Yes this is. This is a very good modeling prog. with displacement painting, painting on a mesh, dynamic modelling, very good deformation tools. A little buggy but very good. And for the price...

T-Light
07-04-2007, 08:52 AM
OK then, got it running late last night.

If you're prepared for the learning curve it's worth the money, ($1.99, of course it is). As Starbase says, it's not really about the money, it's wether its worth the time you need to invest in it. Blender also has interactive 3D painting and sculpting these days but there's a huge amount of us that hate the controls and interface so much we just can't be bothered to invest the days or weeks neccessary, which is a shame, it's not classed as the best free plugin to LW without good reason.

So Hex 2.2. Is it worth your time to learn?
Up to you, there's no reason you can't be building a model in it within an hour or two of watching the included modelling vids. It's easier to learn than blender. :thumbsup:

Is it faster than 2.1?
It doesn't seem a lot faster on my machine. :confused:

Is it more stable than 2.1?
Yes it is, only had one crash last night and that's very good for me + my machine+Vista.

Is the normal mapping usefull for wavers?
Yeeees, er, what normal mapping? I could be wrong here but wether the interface is set to normal mapping or bump mapping the images saved are grey scale height maps, nothing more. I could be wrong here of course. Hex is quite whacky in certain respects and the controls in the tutorials and help files don't neccessarily have any similarity whatsoever to the controls in the program.
eg (Help file docs on converting model + normal maps to LW)
Within Hexagon 2, export your texture through the "displacement map" tool.
There's no such thing as a "Displacement Map" tool. There's is such a thing as a "Displacement Brush" tool, but that isn't it. In fact the only tool that can export bumps and displacements is called the "Export Bump" tool. I'm not being pedantic here, it can take ages to find it and if you don't know it's there your lost.

I could be wrong, but I think the only maps Hex saves are colour, bump and 16 bit greyscale tiff bumps, no genuine normal maps.

So there you go. Some people swear by it, some people swear at it, go grab it if your interested. :)

starbase1
07-04-2007, 11:07 AM
OK then, got it running late last night. It's easier to learn than blender. :thumbsup:



Hmmm...
Is it also smarter than George Bush, and more tolerant of error than the Pope?!
:devil:

Or in other words, I think you might be damming with faint praise here!
Nick

gerry_g
07-04-2007, 11:53 AM
Hexagon was an attempt to put Amapi into a more orthodox and user friendly package, but it fails miserably, Amapi still does modeling better than Hex and all it's high end features such as paint and displacement are lousy and badly optimized, Modo does it far better, price isn't everything, sometimes you really do have to pay to get what you want

AbnRanger
07-04-2007, 08:09 PM
DAZ was probably giving Hexagon away at $1.99 in an attempt to facilitate more Poser and Daz users creating content to sell on their site.
There's a series of video tutorials on Hex at VTC.com
http://www.vtc.com/products/Hexagon-2-Basics-tutorials.htm

cresshead
07-04-2007, 08:22 PM
i like daz...
1.they resurected bryce from certain doom of being owned and NOT developed by corel
2.they gave us mimic....really cool app...esp the lightwave version for $1.99
3.hexagon 2 whilst not ace when it first came out at $1.99 was enough of an introduction to displacement painting to convince me to then get z brush 3...
4.daz studio seems to grow in capabilities....latest ties into bryce 6

some of their models are really nice too...and their pricing scheme is great..always keeps you on your toes and looking at what's new this week
whereas other companies only deliver new stuff or discounts 'once in a blue moon'

daz has a very capable business model....they get lots of returning customers...

i have a soft spot for bryce as it was that app that got me into 3d in the first place...

oDDity
07-05-2007, 04:04 AM
Daz are a bunch of wankers. They make all their money from selling soft porn models with big titties and pouting lips (notice they don't give them away for 1.99 like their useless software).
They're one step beneath real porn sites, since I'd rather see real porn than their sh1t.
And why even bother starting a thread about Hex2 being released when you obviously think it's **** yourself. You didn't have a single good thing to say about it.

v1u1ant
07-05-2007, 04:33 AM
BUT.......it is worth getting if you want to get a taster for displacement mapping etc? Or should one just go and buy say Silo at 50 quid thats ok, or even just go the whole hog and buy z-brush/mudbox straight off the bat?

What does that mimic app do btw?

v1u1ant
07-05-2007, 04:39 AM
ah ok i know what Mimic is----doh!


already downloaded the demo!!-----Idiot!

It aint $1.99 though...LW version is $209 or so.

starbase1
07-05-2007, 05:25 AM
Daz are a bunch of wankers. They make all their money from selling soft porn models with big titties and pouting lips (notice they don't give them away for 1.99 like their useless software).


You are confusing the company with a large component of their customer base. (And actually they do give away the Victoria 3 figure, for nothing, which is the most heavily used one...)

They want to sell to people who have no interest in modelling but are prepared to pay a few dollars for off the shelf content, which they can then treat like flower arranging.

A few, (very few I'll grant you), of their models are extremely good value, and I have sucessfully sold video and stills based on them. And that includes V3 and M3 based stuff. Without exagerated secondary sexual characteristics.

colkai
07-05-2007, 05:50 AM
ah ok i know what Mimic is----doh!
already downloaded the demo!!-----Idiot!

It aint $1.99 though...LW version is $209 or so.

It was though, I picked it up for that price, as I did the Hex2 offer.

Hex2 does have some very useful features. Now considering said features are currently not in LW, it's logical that to pick something up dirt cheap that can provide them, even if that's all you use it for.

As to the reactionary stance of Daz providing porn, nope, they provide 3D toolsets. By the same token ,Canon, Sony, Olympus, etc.. all are providers of porn as their cameras are used to create it. :ohmy:

Me, I just see cheap kit that I wouldn't be able to afford at the "full" price, now call me crazy, but I kinda like a bargain. :thumbsup:

v1u1ant
07-05-2007, 07:05 AM
Fair enough, i may well give Hex a go. like you say $1.99 even if i only use it for one thing

oDDity
07-05-2007, 08:23 AM
As to the reactionary stance of Daz providing porn, nope, they provide 3D toolsets. By the same token ,Canon, Sony, Olympus, etc.. all are providers of porn as their cameras are used to create it. :ohmy:



Canon don't actually take the photos themselves and sell them in Canon porn packs though, that's what Daz do. a lot of those are official products made by Daz, it's not like Turbosquid where all the content is uploaded by the public (Turbosquid are just greedy bastards who make a lot of revenue from plagiarised content, not specifically porn merchants)
I've nothing against real porn, it's that tacky cheap soft porn, trying very hard to look innocent, that annoys me.

cresshead
07-05-2007, 08:29 AM
mimic WAS $1.99 they ran a special on it for a month....got mine for $1.99

oddity, get back to work!...stop looking and drooling over girly piks on your 24" dell!

cresshead
07-05-2007, 08:33 AM
also odd, whilst your looking at your new dell monitor serve yourself a nice large slice of ''humble pie' re turbosquid

if you go check the thread
http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70300

and the link you'll see that particular ''scumbag'' has been banned and all of his stolen assets removed.

oDDity
07-05-2007, 09:37 AM
And will the money that turbosquid made from any of the models that were sold be given to the rightful owners of those models?
That's the important part.

cresshead
07-05-2007, 09:47 AM
well that depends...

for the african elephant then yes they will get the money as they are a turbosquid vendor who had their assest copied and sold from a criminal vendor...pretty simple to move the money over to their account i would think.

re people who havwe no account but their models were stolen form other sites ..not so simple a task...if the true owner gets in touch then possibly that would depend on contact..

also note that having them in turbosquid doesn't mean that they've SOLD a single item...i have some models that have never sold:D

this isn't just to be an area to single out turbosquid, the web is HUGE..just look at the efforts youtube need to 'try' and keep stolen videos off of their site...it's huge and NEEDS viewers to help pick up on stolen items as much as
their own staff.

there is no on/off simple solution when you also have devious people who spend more EFFORT nicking stuff than actually making it themselves.

colkai
07-05-2007, 12:11 PM
there is no on/off simple solution when you also have devious people who spend more EFFORT nicking stuff than actually making it themselves.
Truthsay.
Sorta like the folks who'll wait until early in the morning to drive someplace and dump their rubbish rather than going to the tip during the day. There's always someone who'll invest an inordiante amount of effort in doing things the illegal way, even if the legal way is easier.

Why? Ya got me there man - weird things humans.

cresshead
07-05-2007, 12:17 PM
yeah, animals don't offer opinions based on ''looking smarter than you''...
and they don't f* one another over for a step up the ladder...
or lie to you....

can you tell i'm having a ''animals are cool''week!

sorry going WAAAAAY off topic!

JeffrySG
07-05-2007, 12:18 PM
I'm a big Silo user (only $100 bucks) and I bought it when Hex was around $300, but then Hex was offered for only $1.99+membership, so it was around $30bucks or so. I bought it then, but really haven't used it much at all. I know some people do some great work in Hex and love it, but it never really seemed 'right' to me.

Before spending the $30 on it, I'd play with the demo to see if it's really something you will use. If you'll never use, no need to waste 30 bucks on it, or better yet, spend the 30 bucks on a software product that you will use.

If you're just looking for a great SDS modeler for organics with displacement painting, etc. then I'd consider Silo as well.

rqe3bc
07-05-2007, 01:09 PM
I also purchased Hex a while ago for the $1.99 promotion thinking it would be a low-cost way to "ease" me into 3D modeling. Turns out Lightwave "clicked" with me better than Hex :) and seemed a lot more intuitive once I started remembering all the shortcut keys.

I'm still a beginner, but at least I can actually produce useful (not great!) models with Lightwave. I never did quite figure out Hex, probably because it would keep crashing on me until I finally gave up (yes, even the latest version). I haven't even bothered installing it on my Vista computer - if it crashed so much under XP I shudder to think of running it with Vista....

And of course, Hex won't run LWCad tools which I cannot live without :)

colkai
07-06-2007, 02:08 AM
can you tell i'm having a ''animals are cool''week!

sorry going WAAAAAY off topic!
Hey, check my avatar and link, you're talking to the right crowd here! ;) :thumbsup:

colkai
07-06-2007, 02:17 AM
Lightwave "clicked" with me better than Hex :) and seemed a lot more intuitive once I started remembering all the shortcut keys.
No doubt about it, just the same for me, Hex's tools take some wrapping of my head around. Mind you same holds true for the likes of Silo and Wings3D.


I'm still a beginner, but at least I can actually produce useful (not great!) models with Lightwave.
....
And of course, Hex won't run LWCad tools which I cannot live without :)

Gorramn straight. :agree: :)

lots
07-06-2007, 01:27 PM
well that depends...

for the african elephant then yes they will get the money as they are a turbosquid vendor who had their assest copied and sold from a criminal vendor...pretty simple to move the money over to their account i would think.

re people who havwe no account but their models were stolen form other sites ..not so simple a task...if the true owner gets in touch then possibly that would depend on contact..

also note that having them in turbosquid doesn't mean that they've SOLD a single item...i have some models that have never sold:D

this isn't just to be an area to single out turbosquid, the web is HUGE..just look at the efforts youtube need to 'try' and keep stolen videos off of their site...it's huge and NEEDS viewers to help pick up on stolen items as much as
their own staff.

there is no on/off simple solution when you also have devious people who spend more EFFORT nicking stuff than actually making it themselves.
For me its more about the fact that Turbo Squid even had the situation to begin with.

Granted I agree with Oddity here, sites that sell content like this bother me to no end in the first place..

Its more rewarding to make the content your self, even if it takes more time. There is no short cut for quality work...

I just really don't like content sites like Turbo Squid in the first place :P

cresshead
07-06-2007, 02:58 PM
For me its more about the fact that Turbo Squid even had the situation to begin with.

Granted I agree with Oddity here, sites that sell content like this bother me to no end in the first place..

Its more rewarding to make the content your self, even if it takes more time. There is no short cut for quality work...

I just really don't like content sites like Turbo Squid in the first place :P

here's my take on your coments:)

re:more rewarding...depends who you are....the web/print studio who contacted me for the blackberry campaign found me via turbosquid...they bought my cinema front model and some more models from others and then asked me to create and work with them on their blackberry campaign/promo...they themselves have no 3d capability...turbosquid gave them the opportunity
to look at 3d in their campaign rather than just 2d flash and they got a
3d artist [me] to put it all together including using some of my own content and also me adapating and building new sets.

without turbosquid their short production time would have meant dont't use 3d..use flash...simple as that...as for quality...the quality of the models used was pretty high...my model was probably the worst as it was from ages back when i was just learning 3d...but they thought it was ''good enough'' for the project and to hire me on the strength of it.

re quality work:- there's lots of quality models available on turbosquid...why re invent the wheel so to speak with the time delay and
increased costs...doesn't make good business sense...of course if your coming from a non profit 'arty' angle then yeah i agree.

also....a couple of month's later [2007] i was contacted again by them to
create and produce the felix house/campaign for the new website for felix
in conjunction with the new tv ad's....this time nr all of it was custom built
by me to their bespoke needs for certain props and a custom layout for the house interior and exterior.

without turbosquid none of this would have happened..

just my opinion.

stee+cats

T-Light
07-07-2007, 10:50 AM
oDDity -

And why even bother starting a thread about Hex2 being released when you obviously think it's **** yourself. You didn't have a single good thing to say about it.
Really? didn't mean to come across that way. When I broached the subject I hadn't downloaded it, I'd just seen the ad. Didn't mean to come across all nasty on its *ss.

Truth is it has displacement painting which LW (as of 9.x) doesn't, of all the things to buy Hex for that would be it. I played with it again last night and it really isn't bad. I have no interest in modeling in it, painting in it has always been buggy for me (my models?), but purely for displacement painting it's quite capable (if a little slow).

In an ideal world I'd like a piece of software than can import a LW model with UV's. Allow you to paint colour, specular and bump/diplacement mapping and export as colour + spec + normal maps that actually work 1st time out with LW or for integration alongside directx/OpenGL shaders. I've yet to see a piece of software out there that can achieve this without yet more tweaking in another package.

lots
07-07-2007, 12:04 PM
From a time is money standpoint, I agree with you cress. I'm just saying I don't trust places like turbosquid :) thats all..

starbase1
07-09-2007, 09:16 AM
Downloaded my hexagon late yesterday. Not had a chance to try it in anger yet, but my initial impression is that the documentation is absolutely exemplary.

There's lots about what the tools are actually good for rather than a dry description of parameters, and there are many, many small embedded video clips showing the tools in action.

This is documentation that is designed to be viewed on a computer, and takes full advantage of the available tools, not just a way of passing print costs back to the customer.

Nick

jaf
07-09-2007, 06:49 PM
Also supports a 3Dconnexion SpaceMouse which LW hasn't seen fit to implement.