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starbase1
04-17-2007, 05:46 AM
Well, I wanted something that would let me make much more professional DVD menus for my stuff nice and easily. And in the end I bit the bullet and bought Sony's DVD Architect.

Seems to be just the job, nice and easy to customise, loads of options, I can really make the menus look my own with very little effort. And a good price too.

This was the first time since their notorious rootkit scandal that I have inserted a Sony disk of any description into my PC.

Unfortunately it looks like they learned absolutely nothing from the last time around, (though not with this product), as they are up to their old tricks but this time with DVD's.

See this on Wired:
http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/04/sony_dvds_infec.html
or this at ZD NEt:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=357

End result: Sony DVD's won't play in all Sony DVD players! (And many, many others have problems too).

And on the off chance that you are not familiar with what they did last time around, here's the wikipedia description:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sony_BMG_CD_copy_protection_scandal

I'm trying to think of any other example of a company with such a contemptuous attitude to it's customer base. And failing.

Nick

regularfry
04-17-2007, 06:26 AM
Ever since the rootkit saga I've boycotted Sony. That and Lik-Sang were enough to make me take my money elsewhere. At the time, I was actively drooling over the PSP, I owned both a PS1 and a PS2, and was passively planning a saving cycle to be able to afford a PS3 when it eventually dropped.

That changed. The only money Sony have had out of me since then was for one viewing of Casino Royale in the cinema, and that was only because I (foolishly) didn't check the studio before buying the tickets. I very rarely take a stance like this, but Sony have made it very clear that they aren't concerned for my custom.

Andyjaggy
04-17-2007, 08:17 AM
When are people going to get it. The consumers are ultimately in control and we don't like being taken advantage of.

As for DVD software I am usually not an apple fanboy but I love DVD Studio Pro.

Dave Jerrard
04-18-2007, 04:00 PM
I'm trying to think of any other example of a company with such a contemptuous attitude to it's customer base. And failing.
Easy. Microsoft. Just look at the DRM crap they've infested Vista with. If a bug shows up in the OS, they might get aroud to fixing it, but if a problems shows up in their DRM, like someone finds a way around it, they'll have it fixed in a day.


He Who Isn't Sure Exactly Which Is Worse Though.

starbase1
04-18-2007, 04:19 PM
I seriously considered that...

But unlike Sony and their root kit, I don't think Microsoft have ever sneakily installed software so bad the department of Homeland Security got involved... And then claimed it didn't matter because their customers were too dumb to understand what a root kit was...

Nope, I am firmly of the opinion that while Microsoft may be stupid greedy monopolists on a grand scale, Sony are actively malicious and contempuous.

PSegarra
04-18-2007, 05:31 PM
Workshop works great. With workshop I can do almost anything any other program can do!

Elmar Moelzer
04-19-2007, 10:06 AM
I think Microsoft implemented these DRM things into Vista in order to comply with the demands of studios like Sony.
I am not 100% sure, but I think some of the functionality in Vista is needed so DRM protected DVDs etc work.
But I dont understand much of this and try to avoid getting in touch with DRM protected stuff whereever possible. Problem is, if you are not careful here in Austria and accidentially buy software or DVDs with DRM on then, you cant even return them if they dont work.
CU
Elmar

Matt
04-19-2007, 11:28 AM
Well, after reading those blogs, all I can say is, I have Casino Royale on DVD, and I have a Sony DVD player (DVP NS-355) and it works fine!

Verlon
04-20-2007, 07:33 AM
Well, I can say that I have Casino Royale on Blu-Ray and a BDP-1 player and it works sometimes and not others.

The disc is new the player was purchased 02/2007 and has been firmware updated to the latest rev. I still have to wait an absurdly long time to get any DVD to play and sometimes just get a 'cannot play this disc' message instead. Ejecting and closing the tray will get it to play.

So I just emailed Sony my opinion of this.

JamesCurtis
04-20-2007, 07:49 AM
My Cosino Royale DVD disc plays fine. I have 2 Sony DVD players about 4 to 7 years old though.

As far as the Blu-Ray BDP-1 player you have, is it only Sony discs you have probs with?

Verlon
04-20-2007, 08:04 AM
The refuse to play thing is worse on Sony, but crops up on other titles as well.

Then there are the long load times.

HD-DVD seems the way to go to me.....it even plays CDs :)

Waiting on a response from Sony since the firmware didn't fix it.

toby
04-22-2007, 04:16 PM
Crud. Just bought a PS3 a week ago. Heard a few complaints about Sony, but the alternative was an MS xbox360 - easy choice for me, since I liked PS1 and after having xbox1 I was ready to rotate back. Now it sounds like a chocie between the lesser of two evils - with no winner -

Exception
04-22-2007, 05:03 PM
Ok, that's it, I am not buying DVD's any more of any large production house.

I just read this post, and checked out the article, and saw "stranger than fiction" mentioned, which just arrived today from amazon. I'm not even going to put this in my dvd player or computer. This is going in the closet unopened, and I'm downloading that film.

This is exactly why I don't agree with AndyJaggy. We do not have the choice. I have to resort to doing something illegal to achieve what I would be willing to pay for. Most of the time we are not even aware there is a choice to be made about something. It gets sneaked into our lives without our consent. Sony has so many monopolies and is so powerful for many things there is no alternative. A consumer should not have to bear the responsibility of background checking all companies and all products to see if they are bad in any way, wether it be poor labour practices for the employees, polution, your privacy or any other decent human notion. You'd be doing nothing else all day.

I'll be happy when this whole idiotic shareholder-controlled society will break through its own stupid walls and starts thinking about what a mess we've made of the commons.

IgnusFast
04-22-2007, 05:52 PM
I've been really happy with my PS3. I ripped a ton of music to the HD; between that and Blu-Ray, I don't actually play many games on it. Fortunate, since there aren't many out. :)

starbase1
04-23-2007, 01:14 AM
I don't think anyone here is knocking the products - Sony have a history of producing fine products like the playstation series, the first walkman - as I remarked in the thread starting message, DVD architect seems to be a fine product too.

But LOOK at their contempt for the customer.

The PS3 is a case in point - it does seem to me that the whacked on an HD DVD, and sent the price sky high purely to establish the format, in the safe knowledge that enough mug punters would fork out the eye watering price, and they will get rich charging royalties from anyone else who wants to use their format.

And I still find the fact that even after all the grief from their rootkit they STILL did not learn anything to indicate that they are beyond hope. The next gen 'protection' on a DVD player is appalling, and if anyone thinking of getting a player, (including a PS3) , really should read up about it.

They can revoke it's permissions, stop it working, change the system remotely... This is not YOUR machine, they clearly view it as still theirs to control, and theirs to decide how it will be used. You think they won't use that system to 'protect' 'their' intellectual property in the form of games?

Steamthrower
04-23-2007, 09:12 AM
As stated, Sony makes fine products, but they get locked into things that make no sense.

Remember the Beta-VHS vs. VHS war? The same thing has happened with the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD war. It's something that has made me resort to buying Panasonic equipment instead.

Makes you glad that there's some nice companies in the world, like Newtek, you know? :-)

Qslugs
04-24-2007, 09:25 PM
No homeland security, but they are in bed with the NSA, they even left the Backdoor open for them quite some time ago.

Heres a link about their current dealings:

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/01/nsa_helps_micro_1.html



I seriously considered that...

But unlike Sony and their root kit, I don't think Microsoft have ever sneakily installed software so bad the department of Homeland Security got involved... And then claimed it didn't matter because their customers were too dumb to understand what a root kit was...

Nope, I am firmly of the opinion that while Microsoft may be stupid greedy monopolists on a grand scale, Sony are actively malicious and contempuous.

Edbittner
04-25-2007, 07:06 AM
Sorry to go "off topic", but I picked up the OPPO upconverting DVD player from HKFLIX.COM
Plays everything from any region, format and 110/220 volts, pal, ntsc.
Everything. Anything. Has the same Farujia conversion technology as the $3,500 Denon. Under $250 bucks. My DVDs never looked better on my HDTV setup.
E.

Edbittner
04-25-2007, 07:25 AM
Me again, sorry. Came across that DVD player kinda by accident. I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. Seriously, it plays everything I've put into it. Even the sound is better. Sorry about the rave, but my friends around here all agree. (But they are kinda tired of hearing me freak out at the quality of the sound & image).
E.

mattclary
04-25-2007, 08:32 AM
HD-DVD seems the way to go to me.....it even plays CDs :)


I have a Philips DVD upscaling/upconverting player that pretty much will play anything I stick in it. DivX, AVI, CD... whatever... I think I payed $50 or $60 for it. Was dirt cheap.

I'll THINK about getting an HD player when the prices drop significantly.

You know the latest "Borat" DVD sold more units in it's first week than ALL HD discs so far? (http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070423-why-early-high-def-disc-adoption-rates-dont-really-matter.html) This technology has a long way to go before it's ready for the masses.

Edbittner
04-25-2007, 09:35 AM
Actually, I had a Panasonic upconverting DVD player before my current OPPO.
The difference is like night and day. Like, I don't work for OPPO or anything, but it's THE highest rated DVD player of its kind on that site.
E.

mattclary
04-25-2007, 12:06 PM
Here is mine:

http://www.hkflix.com/hardware/xq/asp/pid.134/qx/details.htm

They are charging about twice what I paid for mine.

Verlon
04-25-2007, 02:43 PM
if you like it, all is good.

To me, HD vs SD is about as dramatic as black and white to color. So it is a good thing for me. And My HD DVD was only $180 (199-10% off coupon) since it upgraded the XBOX 360 I already had.

As far as Borat....yeah, I heard the same thing when I first started collecting DVDs back in 1995. That turned out ok. :)

toby
04-25-2007, 09:52 PM
Hey Matt
If you saw X-Men 3 in HD, and saw the brushed aluminum surface of Xavier's wheelchair wheel, or all the viens on the Phoenix's face, you might feel different! Faces, scenery and explosions look 10 times better, especially if you compare them side by side - I guess you'd need a big screen to see a big difference though, SD on a 40" is pretty lame.