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kopperdrake
04-16-2007, 01:00 PM
Well that's that then - 3 weeks time will see me sat in front of an 8 core - yay :D

Do any of you guys have any advice for using LW on a Mac? I plan on using Windows on it too at the start, for those plugins that aren't happy with LW, but the main one is FPrime which I assume will be fine as is. Until the UB version is released, which version do I install? See - I'm a Mac-LW virgin! Heck, I'm not even sure where it's best to install it to or even how to set up ScreamerNet for a Mac. I currently use a small PC renderfarm but that will be put out to pasture as they get replaced by Macs anyway, but are there any decent 3rd party SN controllers out there or is SN as simple (sic) on the Mac as the PC?

I currently have a couple of external USB2 hard drives with my project folders on (Content folders for each project). I assume the Mac will have no problem accessing these?

Oh do I have a lot to learn! Any guidance much appreciated :jam:

Scazzino
04-16-2007, 01:10 PM
Welcome aboard! :beerchug:

There are two great third party render controllers on the Mac.
Jon Baker's Screamernet Controller for OS X
Bruce Rayne's RenderFarm Commander

I haven't yet tried them on the Intel Macs yet since my render farm currently consists of G5/G4's. I've started running LightWave Layout tests on our new 8-core Mac Pro, but haven't tested it on the render farm yet...

I've also published an online Mac ScreamerNet tutorial, most of which was included in the LW 9.0 manual. There's additional information in the online version for downloading and using these third party controllers (http://dreamlight.com/insights/10/advanced_network_rendering.html).

Mastering LW ScreamerNet on Mac OS X (http://dreamlight.com/insights/10/welcome.html)

Hope it helps!

Haven1000
04-16-2007, 02:09 PM
Congrats on the switch, there are very little do's and don'ts with OS X that I can think of at moment, but if your stuck I'm sure that you'll find plenty of comrades on these forums to help out:D

In the mean time some helpful tips to read while those 3 weeks pass by:

http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/tips/

(even though I've been using OS X since 2001 I still found some nuggets:thumbsup: )

kopperdrake
04-16-2007, 03:06 PM
Oh cheers guys :D I'll do some bedtime reading with your tutorial Scazz - I'm wondering how SN works with the 8 cores, whether it's 2 nodes, 8 nodes, or just one big fat node?

Off to look at the Apple tips page now Haven :D

toby
04-16-2007, 07:43 PM
Congrats kopperdrake! I'm totally jealous!
Hey can I send you guys scenes if I'm on a tight deadline?? Ya won't even notice it... :hey:

Not LW related, but I suggest you search for OSX freeware and shareware, there's lots of handy apps to do things you might miss from Windows, and some you've never seen before - like "QTAmatuer", this little app accesses Quicktime's export functions, just like LW and AE do, so you don't have to buy QT Pro :D It does batches too. And there's plenty of movie players that play 'pc only' video.

gfrederickk
04-17-2007, 12:15 AM
I just set up a render farm with Bruce Rayne's RenderFarm Commander. It was easy and, so far, fairly glitch free. ut don't throw away your PCs from the farm. RFC uses both. In fact, I hate to say it, but the PCs greatly ootperform Mac G4s and even a Mac Xserve machine on the farm.

If your PCs are Pentium3s or better, keep em.

Lemme know if you choose RFC. I can pass along what little I've learned.

Good luck.

ingo
04-17-2007, 01:01 AM
.....I'm wondering how SN works with the 8 cores, whether it's 2 nodes, 8 nodes, or just one big fat node?...

I'd like to know that too since the 8core Mac is not THAT fast, i have seen C4D's performance on it and it was not overwhelming, just 40 % faster than the 4core Mac. So maybe 4 or 8 nodes will speed things up a bit more.

BazC
04-17-2007, 01:44 AM
Welcome aboard Kopperdrake, congrats on the 8 core! I'd love one too but I only just bought a 4 core in December :(

Your USB 2 drives should be fine, my Mac pro has at least 2 USB2 inputs and Macs seem to work with just about any peripheral that will physically plug into them!

As for LW version, I'd dive straight into the UB, it's the best version already!

@Ingo, how fast the 8 cores are depends on the app and how efficiently it uses the extra cores, Modo is up to twice as fast on an 8 core compared to a 4 core, hopefully LW will be too! :D

Nigel Baker
04-17-2007, 04:16 AM
Oh my GOD,

Kopperdrake has ported over and in.
Well first off a very big welcome.

I hope you like your new work environment.

kopperdrake
04-17-2007, 05:46 AM
Wow people - thanks for all the advice - perfect! Makes me feel like there's a rubber-ring around my waist whilst swimming in the new ocean of Mac-ness ;)

The PCs are all P4s so that's excellent news! I shall probably go for RFC for networking, it's cheaper for a start so I'll have a read up and see just why it's so much cheaper than Jon Bakers. I like the idea of split-frame rendering as most of my stuff's for print, though I notice it's not supported in LW9 yet, but then this wil be such a jump from my old Xeon I won't care for a few months anyway ;) A 48hour render's going to do overnight, that's fine for me :thumbsup:

Nice one guys - I'm chuffed!

jeremyhardin
04-18-2007, 05:43 AM
my advice for those new to mac...
http://www.newtek.com/forums/showpost.php?p=513651&postcount=10

Nigel Baker
04-18-2007, 05:46 AM
Good point Jeremy,

I don't know about anyone else but my Mac actually makes me smile more :)

gfrederickk
04-18-2007, 12:21 PM
Another nice thing about RenderFarm Commander for Macs: When you send the company a question, they write back with helpful info. Bruce Rayne has been dependable and helpfu for me. Usually get my questions answered with 24 hrs.

Adding PCs to your farm is one step trickier, but not difficult. It's all in his setup guide.

gfrederickk
04-18-2007, 12:31 PM
I like the idea of split-frame rendering as most of my stuff's for print, though I notice it's not supported in LW9 yet, but then this wil be such a jump from my old Xeon I won't care for a few months anyway ;) A 48hour render's going to do overnight, that's fine for me :thumbsup:

You can do that w Renderfarm Commander. But I get the same problem as i do when I render large sizes locally ---- I get some wierd irregularities on the seams (where the indiviually rendered sections connect). It's noticable. If anyone has any tips on avoiding that, it would be appreciated.

Scazzino
04-18-2007, 01:07 PM
You can do that w Renderfarm Commander. But I get the same problem as i do when I render large sizes locally ---- I get some wierd irregularities on the seams (where the indiviually rendered sections connect). It's noticable. If anyone has any tips on avoiding that, it would be appreciated.

Make sure your not trying to use shading noise reduction... it doesn't work across render segments...

gfrederickk
04-18-2007, 02:28 PM
I was using shading noise reduction. Thanks for the tip.

toby
04-18-2007, 09:36 PM
Another good tip is not to use shading noise reduction at all - it's rubbish! awful! ugly! slow! turn up your radiosity samples instead.

Nigel Baker
04-19-2007, 12:39 AM
Hello Kopperdrake,

Another Mac top tip.
I have my web browser default page set to "http://www.apple.com/startpage/"
This I find still very usefull for top tips even after all these years.
You can always learn more. So watch out for the OS X top tips.

Regards :)

kopperdrake
04-19-2007, 02:16 AM
Ah ha - total OS immersion ;)

I have to admit though - they're site is an awful lot easier to navigate than the 'other' site...

Cheers Nigel :thumbsup:

jeremyhardin
04-19-2007, 02:41 AM
Hello Kopperdrake,

Another Mac top tip.
I have my web browser default page set to "http://www.apple.com/startpage/"
This I find still very usefull for top tips even after all these years.
You can always learn more. So watch out for the OS X top tips.

Regards :)

Yep, great one. Mine's set to that as well. :D I've learned quite a few useful tips from it, as well as kept up on the official word from Apple. :thumbsup:

dglidden
04-19-2007, 10:43 PM
Pshaw to the start page! Pshaw I said! It's so much easier to grab a copy of NetNewsWire and just subscribe to all the useful Mac RSS feeds!

http://www.newsgator.com/NGOLProduct.aspx?ProdID=NetNewsWire

In another thread someone mentioned that they'd never used PathFinder. I have kind of a love-hate relationship. I think it's awesome but there's always one quirk that keeps me from using it permanently.

http://www.cocoatech.com/

The very first app I install on any Mac I have is Quicksilver. You have to get to know it. There's a lot more to it than first appears. Once you get used to it, you can't live without it.

http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/

And some people dig it, others hate it, but if I need an editor, I use TextMate.

http://www.macromates.com/