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Ade
06-23-2003, 04:30 AM
How many hours left? Will LW8 make an appearance, will g5 be announced? will it be xserve only? what enhancments will panther have to compliment lightwave?


So many questions, so little bandwidth...

Beamtracer
06-23-2003, 06:06 AM
"WWDC official chat thread."

The official thread? You know that as soon as WWDC starts, someone will post another thread like "first pictures of G5".

Maybe I'll even do it myself:)

Ade
06-23-2003, 06:43 AM
Beam if u do u risk jinxing the show!

luka
06-23-2003, 07:34 AM
Just checked with Worldtime server.com it's only 6:30am in California. I have to wait till 1am tonight for 10:00am in Cal.

Ade
06-23-2003, 07:39 AM
Point taken, also consider the first 30 mins is steve recapping...
Ill sleep them wake up? Is the stream on at 1am AUS or do we have to read message boards and the stream will be available later in the week?
Alternate stream links?

Darth Mole
06-23-2003, 12:38 PM
Holy crap - are you guys getting all this?

The new system sounds like a real monster!

Darth Mole
06-23-2003, 12:46 PM
My God - they're demoing the G5 with Brad Peebler and Luxology's new 64-bit software.

Now THAT I didn't expect...

Lightwolf
06-23-2003, 12:47 PM
Yeah, but...

WTF is Brad Peebler demoing there?...

Darth Mole
06-23-2003, 12:49 PM
I'm just reading a Blog - it says 'motion capture data capturing software'...

ArneK
06-23-2003, 01:00 PM
For those who can't wait, here are couple of pics of the new aluminium cased G5

http://homepage.mac.com/owlboy/wwdc56.jpg

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~willmore/G5Side.jpg

ArneK
06-23-2003, 01:01 PM
Even more pics:

http://www.playerprolounge.bedesign.be/wwdc/

DaveW
06-23-2003, 01:16 PM
I was never terribly fond of the G3/G4 cases (especially the G3, ugh) but this new case is just ugly. The insides are pretty sweet though.

luka
06-23-2003, 02:45 PM
I just woke up. I can't believe it they finally released it :D

serpicolugnut
06-23-2003, 03:04 PM
Perhaps for us Lightwave users (and maybe soon to be Luxology users???!!!) was that Steve said the new G5s can use "pro" graphics cards... So I wonder if cards like the ATI Fire or the nVidia Quadro4 will work, and if so, how will performance compare cross platforms?

Beamtracer
06-23-2003, 03:14 PM
The styling of the new 64-bit machine looks a tad dull...

http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/b17df8b651c6b3/www.apple.com/powermac/images/indextop06232003.jpg

I too liked the G4 casing, and the G5 looks a bit square. I guess I'll have to reserve judgement until I see it in the flesh.

As for Brad Peebler, I'll go to the other thread to comment about that.

mlinde
06-23-2003, 03:43 PM
I must admit, I think it's a mixed bag. I did some looking, and the two cards you can get are still video game cards. An ATI 9600 (gee, we know how well ATi drivers have worked lately) and the 5200 FX (low-cost gamer's chip) aren't workstation graphics, 8X AGP won't fool me into thinking they are, either.

Why go to all the effort to build a workstation class computer and use a toy graphics card?

Sure, it's going to get great performance with the processor and lots of RAM, but when the graphics card is still slower than molasses why should I bother? I wouldn't normally consider a fancy new G5 best used as a render node, but it's graphics aren't going to knock the socks of my G4, that's for sure.

Darth Mole
06-23-2003, 03:51 PM
Well, it'll be Aluminium and smooth, but it's slightly disappointing - looks kinda like a server or something. Anyhow, I figure all I really want are those sh!t-hot CPUs.

I'll be putting my order for a dual 2.0 tomorrow... (boy am I glad I didn't go for the dual 1.42 G4!!)

DaveW
06-23-2003, 03:59 PM
Those aren't toy video cards, they're actually pretty damn fast. Not as fast as a QuadroFX or Wildcat, but they perform very well considering how much cheaper they are. And the systems are supposed to support those high-end cards anyway. So if you want one, you can buy one.

paintboy
06-23-2003, 04:34 PM
i am with mr. linde....gotta show me more video card than this.
Dave ... yeah it "might" run those cards... but how long is it gonna take to get a driver? the GF4ti has been hobbled by apples drivers for more than a year now?

Darth, according to the "offical" video, 3ghz by end of year...you have waited this long and they dont ship til august...damned if i wouldnt wait another month or 2...besides this is first generation hard ware(comming from a guy who bought
one of the 1st PCI 8500's what a nightmare), of course some folks love being pioneer's....
all in all big improvement though:D

Beamtracer
06-23-2003, 04:40 PM
Appe's new "Panther" operating system (10.3) comes with drivers for most of the pro video cards. With all the other excitement happening at the WWDC, Panther has been a bit overshadowed, but will nonetheless bring big advances to the Mac, including those with current machines.

Darth Mole
06-23-2003, 05:25 PM
Paintboy - they said "within 12 months" - as in "from today". Which could well mean 11 months and 25 days...

I'm overdue an upgrade and I think this'll do just fine :D

(And those prices ain't bad either)

mlinde
06-23-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by DaveW
Those aren't toy video cards, they're actually pretty damn fast. Not as fast as a QuadroFX or Wildcat, but they perform very well considering how much cheaper they are. And the systems are supposed to support those high-end cards anyway. So if you want one, you can buy one.

Except that the firmware burned onto the high end video cards doesn't work on a Mac. Sure, maybe the drivers by Apple would work with a Quadro, but put one in my Mac and it won't know what it is. And you can't flash it to a Mac because there's no Mac version of the firmware to start with.

policarpo
06-23-2003, 06:04 PM
Well...for what it's worth...i've been wanting this to happen for Apple so I could finally jump the PC ship and get back to using a Mac 100% of the time.

OSX has really impressed me, and these new G5's look like they will really excel at Digital Content Creation...so I may just have to come back to using them for my work.

As far as the Quadro and Wilcat card...they don't really matter that much for LightWave...so I think the 9800 will sing circles around anything Mac users are use to currently. But that's just a thought.

I hope some of you people get to see the G5's at Siggraph...then you can let us know more.:)

The future is looking good for Apple.

cgolchert
06-23-2003, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Darth Mole
I'm just reading a Blog - it says 'motion capture data capturing software'...

Where are you seeing that?

paintboy
06-23-2003, 07:38 PM
Hey Darth, wasn't tryin to rain on yer parade...
live it up!! Gitsome! get in the Que!

i just think that it will probably be at least a year or so before these
machines can "really" be taken "advantage" of(software/drivers etc)... for now, its like a Lamborgini...sittin' on 4 concrete blocks? Potentially Fast as hell, but not necessarily going anywhere.;)
BY the way ... has anyone looked at what it cost to put 8gb of PC3200 ram in this thing can you say" line 'o credit"?

this is what happens when you get old, you start gettin practical :eek:

eblu
06-23-2003, 08:38 PM
Originally posted by paintboy
this is what happens when you get old, you start gettin practical :eek:

so thats what that nagging sensation is? I thought it was arthritis. ;)

Beamtracer
06-23-2003, 09:17 PM
Something to excite your dongles:
http://a736.g.akamai.net/7/736/51/fc9c7a8e32bfbd/www.apple.com/powermac/gallery/images/powermacG5hero06232003.jpg

http://a832.g.akamai.net/7/832/51/92e623ad584760/www.apple.com/powermac/gallery/images/powermacG5open06232003.jpg

cgolchert
06-23-2003, 09:38 PM
Dude, what's with the HUGE images? Holy crap!!!!

:)

This forum runs slow enough as it is. :)

Johnny
06-23-2003, 09:42 PM
I think the G5 case is a very nice evolution indeed.

the G3-G4 cases to me looked a little toy. this new case is (to me) understated, sophisticated and very professional-looking.

Plus, they finally stuck a few ports in front, which I (and others) have long wanted.

J

Ade
06-23-2003, 11:00 PM
Should we be scepticle in saying-
Why didnty they race the G5 against a 64 bit AMD opeteron?

mlinde
06-23-2003, 11:07 PM
Originally posted by Ade
Should we be scepticle in saying-
Why didnty they race the G5 against a 64 bit AMD opeteron?

Well, what OS is the opteron running? What applications? As far as I know, there isn't a 64 bit Windows XP. Dont' the opterons only run some breed of Unix? And if that's true, how can you benchmark them? Not too many graphic applications (under the $3000 mark) for that breed of Unix, I think.

Rey
06-23-2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by Ade
Should we be scepticle in saying-
Why didnty they race the G5 against a 64 bit AMD opeteron?

As with all marketing, you go after the top dawg, who happens to be Intel. Also why they compare OS X to Windows and not Linux and... same reason Pepsi goes after Coke and not Sprite or whatever other soda people are drinking these days.

Always go after the biggest threat.

tumblemonster
06-24-2003, 12:50 AM
Speaking of benchmarks, did you guys read this?

http://www.haxial.com/spls-soapbox/apple-powermac-G5/

-tm

Karl Hansson
06-24-2003, 01:01 AM
I was actually about to jump the Mac ship this fall. But with all this new and exciting hardware and software presented yesterday, I'm defenetly having second thoughts about jumping the mac platform. Apple really is starting to understand us users. I'm not too worried about the graphic card situation, if only drivers and firmware stands in the way of us getting the high end cards it is very possible that we will se those cards in a not to distant future. The important thing is that apple is finally is understanding us. I'm really excited about what I saw on the keynote yesterday.

Hervé
06-24-2003, 01:02 AM
Sad, ...... but...... true !

he he.... and now for $ 2,999,99..... who said $3,000 ?