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handron
06-20-2003, 12:38 PM
These forums can provide some valuable information. Among that information, IMHO, are some real gems. For instance, we have the direct input from Authors, Publishers, Company Directors, and other working professionals. It never ceases to amaze me when one of the above promotes their product or services and is given a hard time for it. This isn’t always the case but it happens frequently. I am glad they are there. It helps me to evaluate their product. I am able to see the authors knowledge, integrity, and maturity in their responses. They are all professionals yet some of them feel that they have to defend or justify their self-promotions because a few of the harsh responses the receive from time to time. If they themselves didn’t step in once in a while I would forget that they are there. It is up to the consumer to investigate everything they are told. I appreciate that the authors and such are available for questions and comments. They never say “It’s all in my book. Buy it!” then leave you hanging without another word. Instead they give many free tips and then will allude to the fact that there is more in depth discussions in their material. Don’t be afraid to self-promote. Let the consumer investigate what you’ve said and look for any information that may contradict what you’re promoting. If you see that the product was received and reviewed well then you’ll know the author has integrity and you can take him at his word. Too many want things for free. As for others they want a guarantee or a “win, win” situation. This can’t always happen. Listen to the authors and publishers, listen to reviews, and then make a decision to purchase. It may very well end up that the product didn’t work out for you. But what more could you have done. As an illustration, you could watch a movie on TV, then the following day you tell a friend “Hey I saw a really cool movie on TV last night” and generally forget about the commercials in between it. You would never say “it would have been a really good movie but this one commercial ruined it for me.” The same holds true for a forum thread. If you encounter a self-promotion just continue on if you find no value in it, but I can assure you that some, like me, might find it useful. I am also a complete beginner and have been looking into the different learning resources. So I would like to thank them for the time they give to the forums.:D

Hiraghm
06-20-2003, 01:05 PM
one word....



PARAGRAPHS!

:D

meshmaster
06-20-2003, 01:35 PM
gets old fast...

handron
06-20-2003, 02:06 PM
I guess I just don't see it as spam. From the threads that I have seen these people offer their material only after the conversation lent itself to their product. It isn't like someone is talking about birdhouses and suddenly someone else pops in with "you know I went sailing yesterday" which would be totally off topic and unrelated. Instead it's usually something like "I don't know how to do this" then the reply would be "You can try this approach but if you don't have experience with this technique I do have some courseware on it."
On the other hand if someone is talking about a procedural texture and in the reply there is information on solar powered flashlights then I would understand. The point I tried to make above is that since the "promotions" are within the context of the thread that there are some who benefit from the information. If it doesn't apply to you then that is fine. It doesn't take much effort to shift your eyes down to the next reply.

Lamont
06-20-2003, 02:27 PM
I know people here may complain, but Dan Alban spamed the boards (amoung others)...

I don't care who you are, if you join please contribute.. don't post and run.

If you want to advertise your books, talk to the Mods...

handron
06-20-2003, 03:14 PM
I guess I am looking at this from someone new who is searching for information and resources and figured something is better than nothing. However, you make a good point. Thanks.:)

Rei
06-20-2003, 03:20 PM
Self promotion rocks

Blue Fire Studios (http://www.orkanix.com/epita)

Lamont
06-20-2003, 03:31 PM
Hey Rei,


You're a Hamasaki fan? I just got back from Japan and I happened to snag the video for "Connected". There was this 6 hour CG/Animation music video marathon, so I taped it. Then right after there was another Best of Japan CG videos. Unfortunately, I had only one tape, and the heck if I am going to record over Simpsons.

If you don't have it, I can put a TV res version of it on my FTP.

And guess who so happens to be in my Diskman:
http://home.no.net/ayumi/images/news_republic1.jpg

riki
06-20-2003, 06:51 PM
Hey I just got from Japan as well, unfortunately I was only watching the porn channel :)

Damn do people really tape the Simpsons??

Lamont
06-20-2003, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by riki
Hey I just got from Japan as well.. Yeah, I'm leaving again in 2 months and I won't be back till Nov/Dec... my first child is due in mid Sept. Hey were you there durring the earthquake? I was in Morioka and it was a 5.4.

Originally posted by riki
...unfortunately I was only watching the porn channel :)I watch Space Shower and Cartoon Network when I am not working in the fields with my mother in law (seriously, I was working in the fields planting stuff..). I'm looking for the movie The Returner.

Originally posted by riki
Damn do people really tape the Simpsons?? I brought 12 hours of US television (Simpsons, King of the Hill, Malcom in the Middle, Family Guy and Invader Zim.) because they don't have those there.

Well anyways, what was this tread about?

riki
06-20-2003, 08:01 PM
Actually I got back about 4 weeks ago, so I missed the quake, plus I was in Fukuoka which I don't think was effected.

I meet my GF's parents, they don't speak any english even though he's and english teacher and we ate eels heart in a bowl of warm water, as part of the dinner :) Lots of fun

Congratulations as well on the new arrival.

BTW whatever happened to those guys in the white clothes, it was some kind of strange cult on the news each night but I couldn't understand the Japanese? The were driving about 6 Toyota Hiace vans with the windscreens coverred in white stickers. Plus they would cover the road and the vans with white fabric. Something to do with protection from the sun?? Doomsday cult?? It was really odd.

I didn't hear anything about it on the news when I got home.

Lamont
06-20-2003, 08:03 PM
I think you're talking about the Aum Cult.

stib
06-22-2003, 07:51 PM
it's not aum, I heard about it too (even in australia) they were worshipping an arctic fur seal that had turned up in a river. People got a bit worried when they started forecasting the end of the world: Aum had everyone a bit rattled, I guess. I think what happened is that the world didn't end and they all went back to their day jobs.

..the world didn't end, did it? i've been stuck in front of this computer so long I wouldn't have noticed..

dablan
06-30-2003, 12:06 AM
I know people here may complain, but Dan Alban spamed the boards (amoung others)...

Exuse me?
I spammed the boards? Sure I did.

Do you have ANY idea how many emails I get, how many phone calls, and just people asking questions? How do I do this Dan? Can you help me with that? I bought your book Dan, it's great... by the way, I know you're busy, but can you help me model this? Can you tell me how to render that?

Any you know what Lamont? I do it. I have for over 8 years. For what? A book sale? Please....

I know what it's like to try and learn a product.. especially one like LightWave 3D. I've been down that road so if I can lend a hand I do. Now, trying to ACTUALLY make a living and pay the bills in the meantime... if that's spam, then sorry you feel that way. But I'll tell you this - I answer every one of those emails to best of my ability. I talk with hundreds of people every month, and use those questions and comments to improve training materials and books.

Damn. I miss the old Amiga days.....

riki
06-30-2003, 12:15 AM
Dan's been a great asset to the LW community, people should be greatful for his contribution. I guess there's always someone ready to take a cheep shot.

Lamont
06-30-2003, 12:23 AM
Everyone knows who you are. You should have little to no problem sending an e-mail to the people who run the boards. You would you have gotten front page and a nice picture (for at least 2-3 days) on a heavy traffic CG web page. For free.

Just keep that in mind dude. I know you're trying to "pay the bills", but like I said (not here) there's other ways to get the word out, the method you chose was just baka...

dablan
06-30-2003, 12:26 AM
Thanks Riki!

And hey, check out my 3D Garage Courseware!!!!
www.3dgarage.com


Heh. Sorry - couldn't resist another spam.

Dan

Lamont
06-30-2003, 12:27 AM
Originally posted by riki
I guess there's always someone ready to take a cheep shot. Stupid call dude.

One, I have no intentions to take a "cheap shot".

Two, it burns the hell outta me when anyone drops in "Plugs" something and splits. Send an e-mail to the guys running the show, we're all artist and we want to help worthy causes.

Three, I definatly would have had the info he provided put on the front page. Instead it was double posted in a low traffic area.

dablan
06-30-2003, 12:28 AM
Forums are free. Who made you boss?

Take a walk in my shoes, then we'll talk.


And hey, check out my new books coming soon on
Amazon!!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dbooks%26field-author%3DAblan%2C%20Dan/ref%3Dpd%5Fsimart%5Fdetail/002-0406167-1204031

Dan

dablan
06-30-2003, 12:31 AM
What are you ranting about?
Me, Larry, and the others frequent the forums not to 'spam' but to see what's going on, answer some questions if we can, and perhaps learn something ourselves.

"drop a plug and split"? What, like "Hey, buy my book! See ya!"



Yeah dude. That's all me.

Dan

Lamont
06-30-2003, 12:35 AM
Yeah,

Well, anyways, I deleted one of the posts, and moved the other from a not so traveled part of the boards, to a high traffic area and made it a sticky for 2 days.

Yeah, I guess I was helping...

Lamont
06-30-2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by dablan
Forums are free. Who made you boss? Many forums are privatly run. Like this one. This is a BIG misconception amoung many people.

dablan
06-30-2003, 12:40 AM
I'm not sure what that means - but best of luck.

Listen - you have a question or problem, email me at dablan at earthlink.net and I'll be happy to help you out.

Take it easy<
Dan

Lamont
06-30-2003, 12:42 AM
I'll be e-mailing shortly.

MadMax
06-30-2003, 01:03 AM
Originally posted by Lamont

Just keep that in mind dude. I know you're trying to "pay the bills", but like I said (not here) there's other ways to get the word out, the method you chose was just baka...


Sounds like someone got a case of sour milk in their rice crispies.

Sorry but I saw this and have to comment. Ablan is the last guy I would accuse of being a spammer. I mean lets get real, some of the high price digital guys LEARNED from Ablan when they were just starting out.

An occasional remark about his products is a public service. I wouldn't have even known about his latest video product if I hadn't seen it in a forum thread.

In contrast, Dan doesn't answer ever question in every thread and forum he posts in with "buy my cd's".

And just curious here, did you think you were being cute with the "Baka" remark because you figured no one else knew what it meant?

Oh yeah, 4 years in the Pacific on active duty. Sorry Lamont, that was real baka of you man..........

Lamont
06-30-2003, 01:14 AM
Hmmm...

Even if not knowing what "baka" meant, the context was there, as we all know what "sour milk in their rice crispies" means/implies.:)

If you got some new bad-*** book you want to share, are you going to whisper around about it or are you going to scream like a lunatic on top of a clocktower with a riffle?

I would think the last one is the best way w/out the casualties.

To answer your question, yes I am cute.http://www.digitalweapon.net/2.gif

Lamont
06-30-2003, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by MadMax
Oh yeah, 4 years in the Pacific on active duty.I served 4 years in High School.

Lamont
06-30-2003, 01:22 AM
Ok, so now...

Let's get back to: Shameless self-promotion isn't shameless..

And if anyone still has comments/issues, bring it on, you know my e-mail and PM.

MadMax
06-30-2003, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Lamont
If you got some new bad-*** book you want to share, are you going to whisper around about it or are you going to scream like a lunatic on top of a clocktower with a riffle?

I would think the last one is the best way w/out the casualties.

Indeed.

Whisper or act like a lunatic. I have neve known Dan to scream like a lunatic on a clock tower with a rifle. You sure are going to some really wild extremes over something as minor as posting about products.

It doesn't really take much to just pass over the post or ignore it if it doesn't suit your fancy.

The way you are getting worked up over it you'd think he dropped his pants here or something.

Lamont
06-30-2003, 01:29 AM
I'm defending my statements.

MadMax
06-30-2003, 01:51 AM
Defend all you want.

Back on topic, nothing wrong with an occasional plug. If I don't want to see it, I can ignore it.

You want to see blatant spamming? waste a trip over to Yahoo groups and look at the VTNT mailing list. About half the list are dealers.

You'll have a new appreciation for Dan after reading that place.

colkai
06-30-2003, 06:20 AM
Dan spams newsgroup shocker !!!

He's always posting things up here, what a hassle, clogging up the newsgroups and mailing lists with "buy my DVD", "buy my book" - what a pain! really.. NOT !!!

The only downside to Dan putting messages about his books here is that I have to set aside yet more money for Lightwave training material. Damn you Ablan - why d'ya have to produce such useful stuff ! ! ;) ;)

Dan is one of what I class as the "senior" members of the lists & boards. A critical factor in encouraging new folks. Always provides help when he can, always has.

I know for sure, if it was not for "Da Man", I would not know half of what I do about LW. Frankly, compared to others who answer a query with "my xxxxx does this - buy it", he is nowhere near as 'self-promoting".

Surely, if you've been around awhile, you must know this. But then given your statement " if you join please contribute.. don't post and run" I guess you don't.

As for 'Baka' - great way to insult one of the more important folk here. At least have the courtesy to say it outright.

Oh, for those, like me, who *didn't* know what it meant...
" 'Baka' (meaning idiot in Japanese) "
:mad:

Lamont
06-30-2003, 07:11 AM
Did you read all my posts?



If Chuck, Jebus, The President went by and quad posted the same thing, I'd delete 3 of them, PM them with "Why didn't you contact the board admins? I am sure they'd help you get the word out no problem..".

If what they were trying to say was worthy, hell, I'd do something retarded like move the post to a higher traffic area and make the post a sticky for a while. You know, that "I know you're not doing this just to get hits to your web-page" knowlege.



Buttom line: I don't care who you are, double post anything, I'll be deleting one of them... maybe all of the posts if it's not useful info.

Maybe I should have used someone elses' name in place? The point would have gotten accross just fine without being specific thinking back now.

Am I Anti-Dan? Nope, not at all.

private
06-30-2003, 07:17 AM
I don't mind Dan advertizing but take care of business first.

Maybe he can make a rule. No more spamming/advertizing until he actually finishes the Bonus Tutorials for Inside Lightwave 7 as promised over a year ago.

Lamont
06-30-2003, 07:17 AM
I have nothing to gain from this at all 'cept carpal-tunnel and pissy remarks.

When I kicked over this rock, I pretty much knew what I was getting into.

faulknermano
06-30-2003, 08:11 AM
Originally posted by colkai


Oh, for those, like me, who *didn't* know what it meant...
" 'Baka' (meaning idiot in Japanese) "
:mad:

interesting. 'baka' means 'beef' in tagalog. :D

faulknermano
06-30-2003, 08:25 AM
Originally posted by Lamont
Maybe I should have used someone elses' name in place? The point would have gotten accross just fine without being specific thinking back now..

yes, i think it couldve helped not being specific, especially if you singled out someone like dan who has, unarguably, helped the community for the longest time now.

your stance is noted, i'm sure, and by some account, correct and justified. but your attitude towards community members, who, by merit, deserve some respect is not taken with the same (at least by me) affirmation. the reason is obvious, of course: no one is asking you to change your stance; but your toughness disrespects the person, when it doesnt have to.

Chuck
06-30-2003, 08:34 AM
Dan and other folks who produce training and third party enhancements for NewTek products are welcome to post notices about those products in these forums. By preference, the LW Community Forum, the LW Third Party Forum, and the Classifieds: Training and Education - LightWave sections would be the places to post regarding LightWave Training materials. NewTek General Discussion isn't a location we'd encourage for such use, but we wouldn't remove a post there.

Mentioning such materials in the course of discussion in the Support or Gallery sections is also fine. We do ask that ads and announcements not be posted in those sections, and will move them whenever we happen to have time to attend to such details. A misplaced ad or announcement should not be regarded as an offense of even remotely serious nature, however, and the right to lecture anyone for doing so is reserved to the moderators.

cresshead
06-30-2003, 10:28 AM
well we seem to have a little tussle here eh?

regarding dan alban...his book inside lightwave 7 should ship with lightwave as the other half of the manual...it has tutorials which the lightwave manual does no longer have..just a reference manual really..with a V poor index.

dan's videos and book are a great asset to all artists learning lightwave 3d.

regarding multiple posts in forums..my opinion is that if the title of the thread is upfront and tells the people browsing the forums that the discussion is about a new book or video.people have the "choice" weather or not to read it..or move on to other items.
so they don't accidently fall into a advert..

other than that i'm really happy to see information on possible books, videos, cdroms and plugins/scripts for lightwave etc.

like they say..

"information IS power"

steve g

Boris
06-30-2003, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by dablan


And hey, check out my new books coming soon on
Amazon!!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dbooks%26field-author%3DAblan%2C%20Dan/ref%3Dpd%5Fsimart%5Fdetail/002-0406167-1204031

Dan

Did anyone bother clicking on this link?

First I've heard of "Lightwave X".

This could be very informative spam!

Boris

dablan
06-30-2003, 10:41 AM
That's "Inside LightWave 8"

The X is a placeholder - the book is listed long before the actual announcement of "8" so, until we officially know the revision number.... X it is.

And not to be pissy or anything,

it's A B L A N. Not Alban.

Dan

MadMax
06-30-2003, 10:48 AM
So who is this Dan Alban I keep reading about?

dablan
06-30-2003, 10:50 AM
Hell if I know.
But sometimes I'm also Dave Adler.
Although, he's a famous architect... so, I got that goin' for me. Which is nice.

Dan

Boris
06-30-2003, 10:53 AM
I thought I had caught some secret pre-release info!

(I even saved a copy of the page in case they decided to pull it.)

Oh well, I, for one appreciate Dan and Larry posting here. I've learned a lot from them and I've seen much worse cases of spamming.

Boris

p.s.
Maybe Alban is his "dark side" (like Gollum in LOTR).
Ablan helps for free.
Alban adds the "spam".

dablan
06-30-2003, 11:05 AM
There you go. I'll create different users :)

Dan

mattclary
06-30-2003, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by MadMax
So who is this Dan Alban I keep reading about?

LMAO!!! :D


"Master won't likes it if we talks aboutsss the new BOOOOK! Noooooo... master will be angrys with usssss!"

Psyhke
06-30-2003, 12:54 PM
Nice caddyshack reference. :)

So, as long as we're getting down to the nittly-gritty-- would the accent be on the 'Ab' or the 'lan'?

dablan
06-30-2003, 01:08 PM
Neither really.
AB and LAN. Put it together. Call my name.

Dan

Hiraghm
06-30-2003, 01:58 PM
So you're saying it's pronounced "Cthulhu"? :D

Hiraghm
06-30-2003, 02:03 PM
but your toughness disrespects the person, when it doesnt have to.

Disrespect is not a verb!

Argh! I gave up on teaching people that "Contact" isn't a verb when the stupid dictionary started getting it wrong, I'm not going to give in on this one!

(wanders off into the corner, muttering to himself)

mattclary
06-30-2003, 02:11 PM
Sorry, Hiraghm, it's a living language. Things change. ;)

dablan
06-30-2003, 02:20 PM
rgh! I gave up on teaching people that "Contact" isn't a verb

Hey, neither is 'party' but people use it anyway!

Dan

LWD
07-01-2003, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by dablan
Hell if I know.
But sometimes I'm also Dave Adler.
Although, he's a famous architect... so, I got that goin' for me. Which is nice.

Dan


I get accussed of being Dave Adams a lot. It's a real pain.

Oh....BTW. Buy Dan's books and courses.
He's a LW community asset!

:D

dablan
07-01-2003, 05:52 PM
Hey,
Dan Adams! Thanks a lot!

Dave Ablan

faulknermano
07-01-2003, 08:27 PM
Originally posted by Hiraghm
Disrespect is not a verb!

Argh! I gave up on teaching people that "Contact" isn't a verb when the stupid dictionary started getting it wrong, I'm not going to give in on this one!


nice one, BUT...



disrespect dis_ri_spekt¢,
noun lack of respect; discourtesy; incivility.
verb transitive (archaic) not to respect.

(c) Larousse plc. All rights reserved

AND...



contact kon¢takt,
noun touch; meeting; association; means or occasion of communication; a person one can call upon for assistance, information, introductions, etc in a business or other organization; a person who has been exposed to contagion; meeting in a point without intersection (mathematics); a coming close together such as to allow passage of electric current or communication of disease; a place or part where electric current may be allowed to pass; a contact lens.

adjective involving contact; caused or made active by contact.

verb transitive and verb intransitive (also kon_takt¢) to bring or to come into contact; to get in touch with, or establish a connection with

(c) Larousse plc. All rights reserved

maybe you got an old edition dictionary? :D hehehe :p

Fasty
07-01-2003, 10:21 PM
"handron"?

Who WAS that masked man?

JDaniel
07-02-2003, 05:38 AM
I can see it both ways, but from my pov, It seems tactical to answer in threads just to referance your product instead of sharing what you know. Most of us know who you are and what you sell. That's why you advertise publicly. But, It erks me when I see it in our community forum. Then they followed up w/ spam to my email. :p

dablan
07-02-2003, 09:22 AM
I've been answering in forums for years. I never promote the books. It's only recently we've let people know about our training course on CD-ROM.

Dan Ablan
AGA Digital Studios, Inc.
www.3dgarage.com

cresshead
07-02-2003, 10:05 AM
directed to Dan Ablan

please don't take the negative replies in this thread as a good sample of what lightwave users think about you..most people here seem to only post negative comments about lightwave and all concerned..that's a human trait i belive..simpler to complain rather than to praise someone/thing..and in the u.k we seem to thrive on the negative aspects of life [oh brother!]

be asured that myself and a great many artist wouldn't be where we are today with out your excellent books and videos and feel that any information on more books etc with benefit most people here...don't go off n start writing maya or xsi book instead eh!

steve g

handron
07-02-2003, 10:06 AM
That was funny Fasty:) . It's always good to see quick wit. The point of my post was to get a little insight from both sides of the topic. I just couldn't see what got people so upset about the issue. After 4 pages of posts on this forum and many more at CGTalk I've come to a better understanding, thanks all for the good participation:) . I can see both sides very well and no other interaction was necessary from me. I think the only downside came from some of the replies that had the "It's my way or the highway" attitude. It's as if they believed two different opinions can't co-exist. Stand firm for what you believe in but don't force feed anyone who wishes to believe otherwise. I stated clearly in the first post my feelings toward the matter. There's not much left for me to add. I am not going to be drawn into an argument about my point of view. Many disagreed with me but I thank them because I now can see things from another perspective.:) Thanks all for the in depth views expressed within this thread.:) And thank you scarecrow, and you too lion, and tin man!:D

dablan
07-02-2003, 10:35 AM
Thanks cresshed,
comments appreciated.

Dan

Chuck
07-02-2003, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by dablan
I've been answering in forums for years. I never promote the books. It's only recently we've let people know about our training course on CD-ROM.

Dan Ablan
AGA Digital Studios, Inc.
www.3dgarage.com

Between the books, the courseware, and the freely shared information in forums and mailing lists for years, you have been just the most incredible resource for the LightWave community, for more than a decade now. Again, you are more than welcome to let folks know about your books and training materials here on the NewTek forums. Such notices are most certainly on topic in the LW Community, LW Third Party, and Classifieds: LW - Education and Training sections, and I hope you will not hesitate to make use of these resources.

Criticisms of announcements of new books or courseware posted in response to an announcement will be removed from that announcement thread. Anyone unhappy with these policies can email me to express themselves.

dablan
07-02-2003, 10:49 AM
Thanks Chuck!

You rock.

Dan

colkai
07-02-2003, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by cresshead
..simpler to complain rather than to praise someone/thing..and in the u.k we seem to thrive on the negative aspects of life [oh brother!]

be asured that myself and a great many artist wouldn't be where we are today with out your excellent books and videos and feel that any information on more books etc with benefit most people here
steve g

Amen Brother - tell it like it is!
Dan - you Dan man - anyone says otherwise, don't know Jack ! ;)

..Oh and once again, I feel the need..
"Go Chuck .. Go Chuck..." :p

JDaniel
07-02-2003, 03:45 PM
I agree for the most part Chuck. But there is a diff. in a thread asking about a specific tech. and someone answering " I got a ------ for sale that shows you how to do this." And that's it. And a thread asking where to start for a beginner.
Sometimes I get the feeling that SOME veterans who apparently must not be financialy satisfied w/ their industry job are pimping newbies w/ their years of knowledge. Maybe in a couple years if I can't become financially secure in this industry I'll just market all my knowledge to the new newbies.
Sorry Dan, I'm not directing this at you if that's what you're thinking. :) I'm not trying to put anyone down, I'm just giving one up and coming, struggling artists' feelings, if that matters.

dablan
07-02-2003, 06:43 PM
No problem JD,
I don't recall just answering questions with a promotion.
Others do.

Although, financially secure is something we all strive for.
Right now, I'd love to just be able to pay the mortgage.

Dan

Chuck
07-02-2003, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by JDaniel
I agree for the most part Chuck. But there is a diff. in a thread asking about a specific tech. and someone answering " I got a ------ for sale that shows you how to do this." And that's it. And a thread asking where to start for a beginner.

We're in complete agreement, actually. If you review my messages you'll note that I was setting clear guidelines for where announcements can be posted. As for mention of training products in other discussions, I mentioned that our policy is that it is also on topic. I would add to that the comment that yes, the privilege can be overused. To my observation, Dan does not, by any means.

If anyone has concerns about the amount of promotion someone is doing, they should certainly make use of the "Report this post to a moderator" button or send me a private message, and the moderation staff will review the situation, and if we feel it's necessary we'll ask the person in question to reduce the self-promotion. We do ask that no one take it upon themselves to publicly lecture another user of the board regarding their posts.

JDaniel
07-02-2003, 10:49 PM
I understand Chuck. :) Thanks.

Ideas Unlimited
07-12-2003, 11:17 AM
Sorry if I start this converstation off again but I've just been searching through the site after a long time away and was very surprised to see this post which seems to be aimed at slating somebody i.e Dan Ablan for what? enjoying his job and tying to make a living at it.

I sit behind a desk in and office doing a job that I don't mind but don't enjoy. I would love to do freelance work, I've posted my stuff on many sites 'Aston Martin Vanquish' 'Robot Tara' got a lot of good reviews (thanks by the way) but no work, hands up anybody who hasn't bought one of his books, hands up those of you who would love to be in the business... yes I thought so..

I for one would be honoured if Dan was to review and comment on my postings , good or bad, its the best way to learn and if he wishes at the same time to tell me he has another book available I would say thanks for letting me know. I hope he stays because I will be posting more objects if I know they are being looked at by somebody of his stature.:mad:

dablan
07-12-2003, 01:39 PM
Whitestar,
thanks -
Always happy to look at others work.

Mine certainly needs much improvement.

We're all in the same boat you know.

Send me the links!

Thanks,
Dan Ablan
www.3dgarage.com training