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Lego Maniac
03-16-2007, 10:45 PM
www.worley.com

Looks like fprime 3 is coming soon, but its not giving a date. I'm guessing from the clues that we're going to get material node previews!

riki
03-16-2007, 11:37 PM
where did it mention that?

prospector
03-16-2007, 11:47 PM
I didn't see that either.
I did see;

but right now there is no way for FPrime to preview Nodes.

Intuition
03-17-2007, 12:14 AM
I saw the japanese page said release date was March 22nd?

Anyone confirm?

Intuition
03-17-2007, 12:23 AM
From Worley's Site


We're pleased to announce the upcoming retirement of this elderly website. We baked a big plate of 64 conductor cookies for the good-bye party, but it was strange, they seemed to be finished even before we put them in the oven. Even the fancy coconut cookies (you know, the see-through kind shaded with sprinkles, and ones with a chocolate skin) were always ready to eat even as we kept changing the recipe ingredients mid-way. To keep it in perspective, the advanced cupcakes seemed to work the same way, even when we were making several batches simultaneously. It sure made cooking fun!

Its like a puzzle, Damn Worley and his awesome wit and sense of humor! :beerchug:

My guess

Lets see 64 conductor cookies = 64bit version of f-prime?

Seemed to be finished before we put them in the oven = Fast Render speed?

Fancy coconut cookies ...see through with sprinkles = SSS shader / maybe other shaders preview?

Chocolate skin = skin shaders??

Always ready as they kept changing = F-Prime preview of nodes, even SSS and other hard to render shaders previewing very fast even as they hooked and unhooked nodes/made changes?

To keep in Perspective... Advanced...... = Works with Perspective and Advanced cameras?

:D

:beerchug:

Get your conspiracy theories out.

geothefaust
03-17-2007, 12:31 AM
Too bad there is no date when that was posted.

It could mean anything, but I like your interpretation Intuition.

eagleeyed
03-17-2007, 12:41 AM
It's a good thing you knew what Worley was going on about, Intuition.
For a moment then I thought he had lost his mind.

I like you theories though, I am going to keep my eye peeled.

Roly
03-17-2007, 01:07 AM
I think you missed this one:

even when we were making several batches simultaneously=network rendering?



Pentium IV 3.4Ghz, 2GB of RAM, ATI FireGL V7100, Windows XP Pro ( 32 bit ) SP2, Lightwave 9.2

tonybliss
03-17-2007, 01:26 AM
several batches simultaneously=network rendering while you work in LW :D

Cageman
03-17-2007, 01:31 AM
*LOL* :D

Worley when having alot of fun! I think Intuition and cgswami are right!

Panikos
03-17-2007, 01:52 AM
Worley is reputed for his humor. I enjoy his teasers.
His manuals are great too :)

hrgiger
03-17-2007, 03:04 AM
I have a feeling though that the beta might end soon.

Don't read too much into that. It's just a hunch on my part.

Also in the interpretation:

"We're pleased to announce the upcoming retirement of this elderly website"

New Website for Worley.

Anti-Distinctly
03-17-2007, 03:36 AM
64 conductor cookies...conductor. Materials perhaps => nodes. I dunno.
Same with the SSS shaders and skin perhaps.

mav3rick
03-17-2007, 06:08 AM
woa worley is on crack..... i hope i get some of this cookies via post next time i order something with manual

mav3rick
03-17-2007, 06:22 AM
from japanees page
Happy FPRime3!
Make wait it did!
March 19th (the American west coastal time) - 22 days (Thursday)
At release special price release it does!

hmmmm possyble preorder date or?

Matt
03-17-2007, 07:30 AM
I think you missed this one:

even when we were making several batches simultaneously=network rendering?

Oh I do hope so!!!!!

Matt
03-17-2007, 07:31 AM
Also ...

"they seemed to be finished even before we put them in the oven"

Massive speed increases perhaps?

Matt
03-17-2007, 07:33 AM
Also ...

"were always ready to eat even as we kept changing the recipe ingredients mid-way"

A little poke about the many changes in the 9.2 cycle? :)

tonybliss
03-17-2007, 07:38 AM
LOL good catch matt :D

kfinla
03-17-2007, 07:46 AM
Cool, i always look forward to news from Worley.

I hope the coconut sprinkles are a hint at working with sasquatch.

Simon
03-17-2007, 08:01 AM
Cookies + oven = baking?

Darth Mole
03-17-2007, 08:04 AM
Unless, y'know... he's just making cookies... a new Worley Kitchens Website? Order online for next-day delivery (with a built-in LW non-modal order panel).

jahn
03-17-2007, 08:07 AM
It would be great if we were able to choose fprime as a shading option like textured wireframe as well as floating window.

mav3rick
03-17-2007, 08:12 AM
i think worley went crazy of coding.... oh well another talent that noone understood :)

Dodgy
03-17-2007, 08:26 AM
Also ...

"were always ready to eat even as we kept changing the recipe ingredients mid-way"

A little poke about the many changes in the 9.2 cycle? :)

Maybe it now reads all changes to layout as they happen, which was a bug in fprime/lack of sdk before.

Matt
03-17-2007, 08:34 AM
Unless, y'know... he's just making cookies... a new Worley Kitchens Website? Order online for next-day delivery (with a built-in LW non-modal order panel).

LOL, turns out he's changing careers and has decided to be a pastry chef! FPrime 3 never happens!

:(

;)

hrgiger
03-17-2007, 09:20 AM
It's too bad he doesn't have any furry cookies in the oven.

hrgiger
03-17-2007, 09:33 AM
I would just like to add that with Worley coming out with what sounds like a significant upgrade to Fprime and WTools hinting at releasing a new significant upgrade to LWCAD, I am basking in the Kickassery.

geothefaust
03-17-2007, 10:30 AM
I would just like to add that with Worley coming out with what sounds like a significant upgrade to Fprime and WTools hinting at releasing a new significant upgrade to LWCAD, I am basking in the Kickassery.

:eek: Wait, what is WTools doing for LWCAD? Sorry to hijack...

hrgiger
03-17-2007, 10:39 AM
Well, I'm not sure what I can say but someone else just told me about it a week ago, plus emailed Victor a week or so ago with a feature request and he emailed me back and told me it was already done and that there would be some kind of release in the next few weeks.

Lito
03-17-2007, 11:05 AM
ROFL you do realize that as soon as something like FPrime 3 comes out worley.com is going to come crashing down. That is probably why they are bidding farewell to the old website ;).

Mr Furious
03-17-2007, 11:05 AM
Also ...

"they seemed to be finished even before we put them in the oven"

Massive speed increases perhaps?


Thining maybe this means fprime is/was ready before the 9.2 release..?

Signal to Noise
03-17-2007, 11:29 AM
Since this thread is purely speculation...

I came across somewhere that Worley was going to entirely rewrite FPrime and release it as FacePrime. Upgrade price for existing users was to be set at around $75000 US.

Of course, that was just conjecture. ;)

kfinla
03-17-2007, 12:38 PM
I would just assume Worley has been waiting on Newtek all over the place and for things to get locked down. So perhaps the SDK for 9.2 is feature complete and hopefully its just a matter of squashing bugs in the beta versions of 9.2 with the plugin.

Personaly I sometimes would rather see sasquatch 2 more then fprime 3. That plugin (sas) has so much potential and still holds up despite being several years (1.0 was in 2000 wow) old. I just wish they would add features and workflow enhencements, not just optimizations.

Bytehawk
03-17-2007, 04:30 PM
what if sas is built into fprime ?

hrgiger
03-17-2007, 05:11 PM
But again, there was no mention of fuzzy cookies.

hazmat777
03-17-2007, 05:16 PM
Yes, but coconut cookies...coconuts have fibers on them!!!:D

nemac4
03-17-2007, 05:32 PM
If that is a hint at sasquatch working in fprime,.. wow. That would be great.

From what I understand the possible improvments include:

64bit support
network rendering
sasquatch support?
nodal support?
material support
subsurface scattering support
Advanced and Perspective Camera support
Faster rendering

and it is working now even with 9.2 beta changes.

Lets hope for some yummy cookies and cupcakes.

hrgiger
03-17-2007, 05:36 PM
I wouldn't get too hyped up about the Sas support. Saying that coconuts have fiber on them and so it's a hint about Sas is reaching quite a bit.

More importantly, I would rather have Sasquatch be made to work with Fprime rather then the other way around. Sas needs to evolve past being a pixel filter.

Panikos
03-17-2007, 06:08 PM
"Well let me tell you what now.
I'm gonna call a couple pipe-hittin' niggers,
who'll go to work on homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.
Hear me talkin' hillbilly boy?!
I ain't through with you by a damn sight.
I'm gonna git Medieval on your @$$."

Quote of Marcelus Ualas, to Zed, from Quentin Tarantino Pulp Fiction :)

Intuition
03-17-2007, 06:11 PM
ROFL @ Panikos

;D :ohmy:

AbnRanger
03-17-2007, 09:49 PM
"Well let me tell you what now.
I'm gonna call a couple pipe-hittin' niggers,
who'll go to work on homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.
Hear me talkin' hillbilly boy?!
I ain't through with you by a damn sight.
I'm gonna git Medieval on your @$$."

Quote of Marcelus Ualas, to Zed, from Quentin Tarantino Pulp Fiction :)
And that contributes to the conversation about FPrime 3 in what particular way?

riki
03-17-2007, 09:57 PM
They really need a new website.

Lego Maniac
03-17-2007, 11:11 PM
Cookies + oven = baking?

I bet you're right, the second sentence says baking.

Interactive baking? It fits the clues. And it's a camera type like perspective and advanced.

Verlon
03-18-2007, 02:24 AM
Well, no furry cookies and no mention of baking bran muffins (bran muffins = fiber), so SAS seems like it might continue to be FPrime proof. The other stuff sounds really good. We'll just have to wait and see....later this week if the dates projected are correct.

geothefaust
03-18-2007, 03:14 AM
Thanks for the info H.R.... Interesting stuff there. I wonder what it all entails. I'm more interested in getting more out of LWCAD then Fprime. :)

mav3rick
03-18-2007, 04:02 AM
"Well let me tell you what now.
I'm gonna call a couple pipe-hittin' niggers,
who'll go to work on homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch.
Hear me talkin' hillbilly boy?!
I ain't through with you by a damn sight.
I'm gonna git Medieval on your @$$."

Quote of Marcelus Ualas, to Zed, from Quentin Tarantino Pulp Fiction :)




lol quentin :)

Tiger
03-18-2007, 04:25 AM
"Hello Thomas,

We're expecting that the next FPrime update will be a paid update but at
this point there's no further information about the price. We'll post more
information on our website as soon as it's available.

-Worley Labs
[email protected]

Can you feel the smell from the owen?

AbnRanger
03-18-2007, 05:08 AM
lol quentin :)So Tarantino has a foul mouth....what's new...and what's funny about that?
I'm assuming, that since it's a Saturday, you've had a few:beerchug: too many

Panikos
03-18-2007, 05:14 AM
I'm assuming, that since it's a Saturday, you've had a few:beerchug: too many

Well, you spent your time with assumptions based on a humorous teaser.
Whats your complain about some extra humor ?

tonybliss
03-18-2007, 05:24 AM
I think Worley anonymously visits these threads and laughs his head of us.
I have concluded that Steve Worley is the antichrist ...

Anti-Distinctly
03-18-2007, 01:36 PM
"the see-through kind shaded with sprinkles"

Shaders? Not just the nodal kind perhaps?

Bytehawk
03-18-2007, 02:03 PM
hypervoxels...

taproot2
03-18-2007, 03:04 PM
I have my credit card ready to go!

Bytehawk
03-18-2007, 04:32 PM
if this has the nodal preview, I'll go for it - just for that. Viper doesn't support all the features I want.

js33
03-18-2007, 05:40 PM
Steve,

Bring it on!

Ztreem
03-18-2007, 05:42 PM
I don't have Fprime yet, but if this is as good as it sounds maybe I'll try to find the money to buy it this time around.

KevinL
03-18-2007, 05:57 PM
A school of translators. Language Supposinos' :)

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 02:04 AM
Couldn't find that part translated earlier in the thread. The whole thing, quickly [hard-bracketed stuff prolly just/mostly for buyers in Japan]:

Happy FPrime!

Thank you for waiting!

Special release pricing 19.03 to 22.03 (Thursday)

[Please note the time difference between Japan and the US]

[Details for paying via bank and post office]

Early buyers seem to get a discount this time around as well :beerchug:

Do webmasters go down with their servers?

See you all when we pounce in a few hours,
Wuv

mav3rick
03-19-2007, 03:06 AM
ok time to move on.. i am switching my a*s*s* for some ninjas ... why they always get stuff b4 us... or does sun comes out 1st in japan?

LW3D
03-19-2007, 03:08 AM
"they seemed to be finished even before we put them in the oven"

Fprime 3 is finished before LightWave 9.2 (oven). So I think it has more than node support (LightWave 9.x support).

Ztreem
03-19-2007, 03:21 AM
"they seemed to be finished even before we put them in the oven"

I more like to see it like it's rendered before we hit render. Like super fast rendering (real time). Dreaming here

StereoMike
03-19-2007, 03:29 AM
No that means it renders even before you made a scene. It can read your thoughts. That means, when fprime3 hits the shelf you will see rendered nekkid women in sportscars flying thru space all over the board.

mike

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 04:15 AM
I still have nightmares about them scary nekkid people.

(http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/)

Wuv

Ztreem
03-19-2007, 04:31 AM
No that means it renders even before you made a scene. It can read your thoughts. That means, when fprime3 hits the shelf you will see rendered nekkid women in sportscars flying thru space all over the board.

mike

LOL! That's what I'm really hoping for. I can just lie in the sofa all day and just think of nice and cool renders and when I go the computer it's there just as I imagine it. Perfect!

Plakkie
03-19-2007, 04:53 AM
Maybe Fprime3 will start rendering images all by itself... Making things we couldn't have imagened ourselves... It will flood our braines with countless images too complex for us to grasp... it will be the end of the human race! :devil:

Dirk
03-19-2007, 05:50 AM
Maybe Fprime3 will start rendering images all by itself... Making things we couldn't have imagened ourselves... It will flood our braines with countless images too complex for us to grasp... it will be the end of the human race! :devil:

Yeah, jsut like the visual virus image that Data invented to kill the Borg. But Picard was a wussy, as always.

StereoMike
03-19-2007, 05:53 AM
ah, the old holographic paradox. Must have been something from Escher.

Anti-Distinctly
03-19-2007, 06:38 AM
Yeah, jsut like the visual virus image that Data invented to kill the Borg. But Picard was a wussy, as always.

Man that was so much bull. It's like being able to bring the borg down by telling them to run this:

line 1: goto line 2
line 2: goto line 1

Sorry, OT, but hey.

CoryC
03-19-2007, 06:41 AM
A little bird told me that more info on the baked goods should be available sooner rather than later.

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 07:10 AM
A little bird told me that more info on the baked goods should be available sooner rather than later.

Was that the bird that says FPrime 3 goes on sale today? :thumbsup:

Wuv

Captain Obvious
03-19-2007, 07:41 AM
Yeah, jsut like the visual virus image that Data invented to kill the Borg. But Picard was a wussy, as always.
Picard > Kirk

gerry_g
03-19-2007, 07:42 AM
I'm getting this on the Yahoo Worley User group, (Jap/Eng translation from worley sister site) –


Happy FPRime3!

Make wait it did!
March 19th (the American west coastal time) - 22 days (Thursday)
At release special price release it does!

< Note >

Japan & the United States (California state) time differenceisthe coconut!

As for the method which utilizes the remittance by way of the bank,
commission forgetting
Without the . For 12‡j retransmission for the second time commission becomes
necessary.

Commission of remittance from the post office became modification!

When after the ordering and within 24 hours there is no communication from
our company,
It is the number of hands, but for the second time that, we ask the mail.
In addition, this sight reference.
(The especially virus checker the one which is set strictly)"

---more cryptics

Dirk
03-19-2007, 07:45 AM
Picard > Kirk

Can we agree to disagree?

lots
03-19-2007, 07:51 AM
So you guys are saying Worely did it? He finally gave us the "instant pretty picture button" ?

That should be worth a fortune :)

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 08:06 AM
I'm getting this on the Yahoo Worley User group, (Jap/Eng translation from worley sister site) –

[snip: Funny funny stuff, but not so straight-forward]



I'm getting this on this here thread, a few pages back :angel:


Couldn't find that part translated earlier in the thread. The whole thing, quickly [hard-bracketed stuff prolly just/mostly for buyers in Japan]:

Happy FPrime!

Thank you for waiting!

Special release pricing 19.03 to 22.03 (Thursday)

[Please note the time difference between Japan and the US]

[Details for paying via bank and post office]

Early buyers seem to get a discount this time around as well :beerchug:

Do webmasters go down with their servers?

See you all when we pounce in a few hours,
Wuv

gerry_g
03-19-2007, 08:25 AM
Sorry had read thread when it started and checked it occasionaly but must have missed that one, doh !!

Matt
03-19-2007, 08:28 AM
Whoohoo! There it is:

http://www.worley.com/fprime3/features.html

Matt
03-19-2007, 08:32 AM
Lol! :)

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 08:34 AM
gerry_g, thanks for letting me quote myself :D


I knew some tool was going to pull that age old trick...

Then again, you are a banana.

Wuv
(Yes I still had to check, durn it)

cyphyr
03-19-2007, 08:34 AM
Picard > Kirk
Nah, Janeway > Kirk & Picard
Better technology, better hair, better crew (7 of 9 ;) )
cyphyr (in geek mode)

Matt
03-19-2007, 08:36 AM
Apologies everyone, I did resist for the longest time, but it's just too funny not to!

Will you ever forgive me?

:D

connerh
03-19-2007, 08:39 AM
Nope.

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 08:43 AM
Apologies everyone, I did resist for the longest time, but it's just too funny not to!

Will you ever forgive me?

:D

OK, if you get me that banana.

Wuv

Ztreem
03-19-2007, 08:59 AM
Matt: That was just cruel.... but at the same time quite fun! I forgive you.

Plakkie
03-19-2007, 08:59 AM
Whoohoo! There it is:

http://www.worley.com/fprime3/features.html


#$%*#$%&!!!

Seriously though, I'm not very well informed concerning any release dates. Is Fprime3 coming out together with LW9.2? Are we talking weeks or days, or doesn't anyone know?

tyrot
03-19-2007, 09:08 AM
dear worley

please they are losing it...really...


Best

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 09:08 AM
#$%*#$%&!!!

Seriously though, I'm not very well informed concerning any release dates. Is Fprime3 coming out together with LW9.2? Are we talking weeks or days, or doesn't anyone know?

The Japanese page says the sale starts today and lasts until Thursday.

Wuv

Matt
03-19-2007, 09:12 AM
I think within the next few weeks to month would be a safe bet, but I don't know anything, just guessing!

Lito
03-19-2007, 09:12 AM
I wonder if Fprime3 will be doing an open beta with LW 9.2 OB? If that japanese quote is right maybe that is why they have some early buyer discount thing between the 19 and the 22.

Matt that was a cruel thing to do. I can't believe I clicked the link as soon as I saw it.

Pavlov
03-19-2007, 09:14 AM
hey ! coconut cookies... could it be APS or some better form of displacement ?

Paolo

Matt
03-19-2007, 09:16 AM
Muhaahahahahaaa! ;)

Sorry guys! Had a lapse childish moment!

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 09:16 AM
I wonder if Fprime3 will be doing an open beta with LW 9.2 OB? If that japanese quote is right maybe that is why they have some early buyer discount thing between the 19 and the 22.

Matt that was a cruel thing to do. I can't believe I clicked the link as soon as I saw it.

I can't believe I read Neverko's comment on it first and STILL clicked it.

Wuv

Matt
03-19-2007, 09:16 AM
hey ! coconut cookies... could it be APS or some better form of displacement ?

Paolo

You still trying to crack this Pavlov! :) Good call!

T-Light
03-19-2007, 09:18 AM
LightWuv -

The Japanese page says the sale starts today and lasts until Thursday.
It's got to be down to Worley's humour mill. Can't see FPrime 3 going all 'special' in Japan and not everywhere else.

Suppose we're all going to be clicking F5 rather than F9 over the next few hours.

Anyone fancy guessing an upgrade price :D

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 09:20 AM
It's got to be down to Worley's humour mill. Can't see FPrime 3 going all 'special' in Japan and not everywhere else.

Suppose we're all going to be clicking F5 rather than F9 over the next few hours.

Anyone fancy guessing an upgrade price :D

Why can't the man just invent a keyboard without the F5 button?

I'm guessing/hoping less than 200 USD.

Wuv

T-Light
03-19-2007, 09:35 AM
LightWuv -

Why can't the man just invent a keyboard without the F5 button?

I'm guessing/hoping less than 200 USD.
Oooooh, good guess.

Anyone else?

Closest figure gets a free Sunday dinner with roast beef, yorkshire's and mash :)*!

*(Offer only available to anyone with a y and and x in their surname (absolutely no vowels). Offer not available to Worley or Newtek employees, friends, relatives or forum readers (guests or registered!). Voucher must be redeemed by Sunday 18th March - no correspondence will be entered into)

! This Sunday Dinner offer does not affect your statutory rights.

Plakkie
03-19-2007, 09:45 AM
The Japanese page says the sale starts today and lasts until Thursday.

Wuv

Ouch! My wallet! :phone_cal

Captain Obvious
03-19-2007, 09:57 AM
Can we agree to disagree?
We can agree that both > the guy in "Star Trek: Enterprise" or whatever it's called.

CoryC
03-19-2007, 10:05 AM
I think within the next few weeks to month would be a safe bet, but I don't know anything, just guessing!

I would say even sooner would be a safe bet.

Ivan D. Young
03-19-2007, 10:07 AM
This is great news, I have a few questions though. Anyone, any thoughts on how the DAT files and so forth will be transferrred or would they be dropped. You know if those files were going back and forth network traffic would be huge. Will you be able to break out passes in some sort of way, spec pass depth pass and you get the idea. Any thoughts on the network interface, If I was using FPrime across a network I might need to see how each machine is rendering. Yo all know that FPrime beats the hell out of your CPU and RAM, puny manchines could get fried across a network, being worked hard and overheat.( and yes I have seen machines overheat because FPrime ran them too hard!) Just a couple of thoughts to throw out there. I also think that when the network render comes out Worley will get so rich maybe LW will be the plugin and worley will be the app.:devil:

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm hoping he offers his usual promotional early bird special. I'm thinking $99 to upgrade in the first week or two. Seems more then reasonable for a $400 plug-in.

3DBob
03-19-2007, 10:16 AM
Matt you are evil - but very funny

My price guess $149 - $199 for upgrades with $299 for new licenses.

"see-through kind shaded with sprinkles" - Volumetrics in preview as well render.

SPECULATION: Maybe then we'll see a volumetric class version of Sas and that will be previewable in FP3.

There will never be a FPrime4 as it is not a prime number the next full release after this will be 5.

It has been a long time coming - I've got my CC ready, I remember the 3 week order processing delays - I think maybe the new website will allow real time payment, download of software and automated registration for unlock codes. Maybe NT has been treading water with 9.2 to allow Worley to get his new site ready for the inevitable flood of orders.

3DBob

Lito
03-19-2007, 10:23 AM
My guesses:

Special promotional Upgrade price $199 USD
Regular Upgrade price $249 USD
Special Promotional Regular buy price $299 USD
Regular Price $399 USD

I don't think Worley will raise or lower the price of fprime. I'd love to see it go for less, but I don't think it will because they haven't put out anything new for to buy in a while now.

mattclary
03-19-2007, 10:25 AM
Whoohoo! There it is:

http://www.worley.com/fprime3/features.html

Did ArchieA put you up to this? :twak:

Wickster
03-19-2007, 10:30 AM
Coconut cookies = Lightwave users trying to decipher this. Heheh. :D

T-Light
03-19-2007, 10:35 AM
I want Giger to be right :thumbsup:

(Ok, ok, I'm a cheapskate :D)

Intuition
03-19-2007, 11:19 AM
:agree: @ Neverko

Bitboy
03-19-2007, 11:24 AM
To all the F5 peeps in here. Take a look at this:

http://www.markwell.btinternet.co.uk/webmon/

You can schedule checks for changes to webpages and it looks like a nice little tool. Free, easy to setup and I've got it checking www.worley.com every 5 minutes :D

So stop tearing those keyboards to shreds :)

3dworks
03-19-2007, 11:28 AM
...and this is what i found for the mac (unfortunately, shareware, but free trial for some days!)

http://www.dejal.com/simon/

;)

markus

LightWuv
03-19-2007, 11:28 AM
Yeah, what the banana said.

Bitboy, thanks!


Wuv
Hvorfor kan ikke JEG være en banan?

mattclary
03-19-2007, 11:39 AM
To all the F5 peeps in here. Take a look at this:

http://www.markwell.btinternet.co.uk/webmon/

You can schedule checks for changes to webpages and it looks like a nice little tool. Free, easy to setup and I've got it checking www.worley.com every 5 minutes :D

So stop tearing those keyboards to shreds :)

Great! Maybe if 1000 eager LW enthusiasts accidentaly perform a DoS attack on Worley using this software, he will be a little more forthecoming... :jester:

Bitboy
03-19-2007, 11:44 AM
Yeah. Thank god you can't set the check interval in seconds.. Phew!

Lito
03-19-2007, 11:48 AM
You know if you use firefox the tab mix plus addon has the ability to reload tabs at set time intervals ;). They presets go from every 5 secs to 30 minutes or a custom value.

Bitboy
03-19-2007, 11:51 AM
Yeah but that won't notify you of changes to the page in question will it?

Captain Obvious
03-19-2007, 02:59 PM
To all the F5 peeps in here. Take a look at this:

http://www.markwell.btinternet.co.uk/webmon/

You can schedule checks for changes to webpages and it looks like a nice little tool. Free, easy to setup and I've got it checking www.worley.com every 5 minutes :D

So stop tearing those keyboards to shreds :)
Please do not do stuff like that. It puts a useless stress on the web servers.

Intuition
03-19-2007, 03:04 PM
Please do not do stuff like that. It puts a useless stress on the web servers.

It also puts useless stress on me. Still, someone HAD to do it. LoL. Funny as hell.

:bangwall: ;D

Bitboy
03-19-2007, 03:20 PM
Ok, I don't think this could have a big effect unless a lot of people were making it check the page constantly, which I know would be bad for server performance. I do a lot of webdesign, implementation and hosting and got 3 different hosts here and in the USA. So I know that it could be bad under the right circumstances.

But what's the bad thing with this if you check every 10 minutes instead of watching the page like a hawk with the F5 key? You even out the traffic and I will have a lot less hits on a page with this than if I had to check manually.

Oh, and another thing. It uses Last-Modified and If-Modified-Since HTTP check to avoid download of the entire page unless for a good reason.

StereoMike
03-19-2007, 03:30 PM
I check this place. It's much better to have some dozen guys preparing to be the first with the news than trying to stay informed on my own.
hehehe thanks to all of you

mike

T-Light
03-19-2007, 03:32 PM
StereoMike -

I check this place.
Same here, still no news eh?

Bitboy
03-19-2007, 03:33 PM
I for one am very interested in the new F-Prime, and will jump at updating it when it's released. I also just got a free update to Deep Exploration CAD (for model conversions) from Right Hemisphere.. Nice gesture :)

archiea
03-19-2007, 03:33 PM
well, the first part about retireing the website seems true, here's the new page....

http://www.fprime.com/index.html

seems like Fprime will be on its own.

not sure about the new logo...

http://www.fprime.com/images/homeLogoTop.gif

the demo can be DLed here it seems...
http://forum.java.sun.com/profile.jspa?userID=661209

here Worley released the source code to allow outside development.. First apple then Worley.. seems like a trend..

/*
* file: fprime.c
* This program calculates prime numbers
*/

#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>

/*
* function find_primes
* finds the indicated number of primes
* Parameters:
* a - array to hold primes
* n - how many primes to find
*/
extern void find_primes( int * a, unsigned n );

int main()
{
int status;
unsigned i;
unsigned max;
int * a;

printf("How many primes do you wish to find? ");
scanf("%u", &max);

a = calloc( sizeof(int), max);

if ( a ) {

find_primes(a,max);

/*
* print out the last 20 primes found
*/
for(i= ( max > 20 ) ? max - 20 : 0; i < max; i++ )
printf("%3d %d\n", i+1, a[i]);

free(a);
status = 0;
}
else {
fprintf(stderr, "Can not create array of %u ints\n", max);
status = 1;
}

return status;
}

here's a test render...

archiea
03-19-2007, 03:36 PM
Not sure whats more cryptic, the original english message or the japanese translation!!

Happy FPrime3!

Make wait it did!
March 19th (the American west coastal time) ~22 day (Thursday)
At release special price release it does!


< Note >

Japan & the United States (California state) time difference is the coconut!

As for the method which utilizes the remittance by way of the bank, commission forgetting
Without the [re]. For 12㌦ retransmission for the second time commission becomes necessary.

Commission of remittance from the post office became modification!

When after the ordering and within 24 hours there is no communication from our company,
It is the number of hands, but for the second time that, we ask the mail.
In addition, this sight reference.
(The especially virus checker the one which is set strictly)

Intuition
03-19-2007, 03:38 PM
Oh no you didn't!!!!

:2guns: :compbeati

archiea
03-19-2007, 03:44 PM
hehe.. ain't I a stinker.... :devil:

Intuition
03-19-2007, 03:48 PM
I mean, I figured Matt already used up that joke.... I jumped on it....BOOM!

:jester: :hat: :cry: :newhere:

T-Light
03-19-2007, 03:48 PM
Time difference is 'the coconut', no problem, which bit are you having difficulty with :D

Everybody knows the coconut foreshadows warmth and foreshadow warmth can be converted via logarithms into finite degrees. Therefore, convert your degrees into minutes and seconds and you have your pacific mean time difference. Easy peasy lemon squeezy. All you have to do is add your coconut milk and remove the hair (Don't be fooled by the outer green shell of the coconut as it offsets your weight to sultana ratio and can set you off by days if not weeks, admittedly it's a schoolboy mistake but that's where I've been going wrong :rolleyes: )

(sort of)

archiea
03-19-2007, 03:57 PM
I mean, I figured Matt already used up that joke.... I jumped on it....BOOM!

:jester: :hat: :cry: :newhere:

But its just ...so.... clickable!!!

So what are you working on these days?

tyrot
03-19-2007, 04:22 PM
dear decoders

from worley website...

"We're pleased to announce the upcoming retirement of this elderly website. We Baked a big plate of 64 conductor cookies for the good-bye party, but it was strange, they seemed to be finished even before we put them in the oven. Even the fancy coconut cookies (you know, the """see-through""" kind shaded with sprinkles, and ones with a chocolate skin) were always ready to eat even as we kept changing the recipe ingredients mid-way. To keep it in perspective, the advanced cupcakes seemed to work the same way, even when we were making several batches simultaneously. It sure made cooking fun!"

FullNewTypeCamera Support (multibatch) Probably we will be seeing different camera types at the same time...within separate Fprime windows. And when we change the nodes, it will change all windows..

FullNodalSupport -even new see through ones...dielectric and other nodes. But it will be So fast...."were always ready to eat even as we kept changing the recipe ingredients mid-way"

Insanely Fast rendering

"when we were making several batches simultaneously" I want to decode this as network rendering as well but... i dont know..

gosh i joined the club..


BREAKING NEWS

New site is UP

Best

pooby
03-19-2007, 04:23 PM
NEW SITE IS UP! it's here I think..

mattclary
03-19-2007, 04:24 PM
I mean, I figured Matt already used up that joke.... I jumped on it....BOOM!

:jester: :hat: :cry: :newhere:

When awaiting a release, you can pretty much assume Archie is going to do this. I surprised it took him this long to show up. You're slipping Archie!

T-Light
03-19-2007, 04:25 PM
Nice One :)
OMG It Is :D

mattclary
03-19-2007, 04:26 PM
Yes!!!!! $125 til 3/22 then $149 for upgrades!

Darth Mole
03-19-2007, 04:29 PM
It's up! Go! Go! Go!!

Intuition
03-19-2007, 04:31 PM
Nuking My Wallet Now....

...........booom! :phone_cal

tonybliss
03-19-2007, 04:32 PM
This is for REAL
IT is UP


http://worley.com/E/info.html

digefxgrp
03-19-2007, 04:34 PM
Already ordered!!

geothefaust
03-19-2007, 04:39 PM
Yes!!!!! $125 til 3/22 then $149 for upgrades!


Holy crap. :eek:

Those videos... Damn you Worley!! I want Fprime3!

voriax
03-19-2007, 04:40 PM
Argharghg network rendering with fprime! The sweetest sentence I've read for a long time!
..and of course, nodes!
..and of course, ACT!

Intuition
03-19-2007, 04:40 PM
Argharghg network rendering with fprime! The sweetest sentence I've read for a long time!
..and of course, nodes!
..and of course, ACT!

No doubt, this will teh bombzroxzorxs! :boogiedow

Lightwave moving towards front of pack... :D

mattclary
03-19-2007, 04:42 PM
"FPrime's raytracing engine has also been replaced, optimizing both speed and memory use. In particular, 64 bit rendering support required different internal data structures to prevent doubling memory use. The new core not only enabled compact 64 bit support, but also gives extra efficiency to the actual ray trace engine, boosting speed for 32 bit rendering too.

The original FPrime is single threaded, and one of our free major FPrime updates added multithreaded rendering. Since then, multiprocessor computers have become common, even expected. 4-core machines are now the bang-for-buck sweet spot, and soon 8-core will be the default for any professional 3D artist. Using all of your machine's power is important, and FPrime 3 now scales its rendering far beyond dual CPU support, and even 8 or more CPU machines are used effectively."

64bit! Hugely multi-threaded!

T-Light
03-19-2007, 04:43 PM
This is it then, ordered and ready to go.

Well, sort of ready to go, I mean, what on earth do we do while we're waiting for the download email to appear? :D

Oh yes, no mention through the order process of the original fprime license when your upgrading? Don't think this is going to be too quick chaps.

tyrot
03-19-2007, 04:43 PM
dear wavers

ok it does support nodal and network rendering but how about Radiosity Renders ? How about that montecarlo noise which needs neatimage for almost every render?

best.....

Lito
03-19-2007, 04:46 PM
Ordered it also. Now I wonder how long it'll take to process the thousands of orders that are being placed these first few minutes ;)

tonybliss
03-19-2007, 04:48 PM
BIG up MATT ... You name is etched in the Worley's site

http://worley.com/E/Products/fprime/man_network.html

Bitboy
03-19-2007, 04:49 PM
Ordered! Woohoo! :D

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 04:52 PM
Ordered. Anyone see if it previews hypervoxels?

geothefaust
03-19-2007, 04:53 PM
Hope it does... Though I'm happy enough that it works with nodes.

Bitboy
03-19-2007, 04:58 PM
Someone has got humor at Worley. :D From the FAQ:


FPrime's window sometimes shows HBO instead of Showtime.

Can I activate all of the channels without paying? If your computer is fast enough, FPrime is able to render entire TV channels of content in real time, but it's actually an emulation of HBO, not the real thing. Showtime is less complex, so it requires less RAM and CPU. Usually you can render the Discovery Channel in full HDTV. FPrime currently does not synthesize child actor voices fully, which we plan to fix by banning children from all TV shows. We hope to update FPrime to allow a wider range of surround sound in a future update.

Someone said SpeedEDIT plugin? :p

Intuition
03-19-2007, 05:00 PM
I hope it does Voxels but I think it would be shown on the webby if it did...

I am sure it does them at render time but not sure bout preview.

Nodes and network render make this a winner for me. :D

digefxgrp
03-19-2007, 05:00 PM
from Worleys site:

FPrime supports Hypervoxels, but due to Lightwave limitations, these are only shown in Render mode, not in the interactive window.

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 05:01 PM
Another question. So if we now have the ability to see nodes in Fprime and the nodes we use can do things like skin and SSS and various materials, what good is G2 anymore?

Darth Mole
03-19-2007, 05:01 PM
Phoned. Checked. Ordered. Waiting...

(sigh)

EDIT: Woah! There's way more to G2 than a bit of SSS and skin. I suggest you go read the multiple pages on the website!

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 05:03 PM
Ah, here it is on the FAQs page:

My HyperVoxels do not appear in FPrime. FPrime only shows the effect of Hypervoxels when in Render mode (or via WSN network rendering). FPrime's interactive window does not show Hypervoxels, because of a serious LightWave.limitation which makes interactive evaluation of Hypervoxels unstable.

Intuition
03-19-2007, 05:04 PM
Phoned. Checked. Ordered. Waiting...

(sigh)

EDIT: Woah! There's way more to G2 than a bit of SSS and skin. I suggest you go read the multiple pages on the website!

Its so exciting, I want it now but I just hope I get it in time for this weekend. :hey:

Captain Obvious
03-19-2007, 05:06 PM
Wooooo Hoooooooo!!!!!

Ztreem
03-19-2007, 05:07 PM
A bit disappointed, no discount for new licences. :cry: Well, maybe I buy it any way, I don't have to hurry. I'll have a look what you guys come up with when you get your copies. :)

tonybliss
03-19-2007, 05:09 PM
Ordered Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! Bada$$

Tyrot check here for your answer
http://www.worley.com/E/Products/fprime/man_limitations.html

Cheers :D

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 05:10 PM
And because everything happens in threes, here's my third and last question. I ordered the upgrade but it never asked for any serial number or Fprime License. How are we being verified as licensed users of Fprime?

tonybliss
03-19-2007, 05:10 PM
At this current moment there are 32 members 3 guest :)

gristle
03-19-2007, 05:10 PM
Yep, ordered as well. Wonder what the 32 bit optimisations will be...

tyrot
03-19-2007, 05:14 PM
A bit disappointed, no discount for new licences. :cry: Well, maybe I buy it any way, I don't have to hurry. I'll have a look what you guys come up with when you get your copies. :)

dear ztreem

i am also waiting for some radiosity tests from exception (or other power users:), if it delivers noiseless Arch-viz animation ...money is not a problem. Yes may be 9.2 doesnt show that much fast but i believe when it comes to radiosity, caching, noise free render...well ...lets see ... the tests..

still the "best?" we will see...

dear cgswami , my answers will be in your animation renders :)

Captain Obvious
03-19-2007, 05:17 PM
Ordered!

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 05:20 PM
I think FPrime 3 will readly help me learn about using the Node editor. Will be nice to see my experimenting update interactively.

bobakabob
03-19-2007, 05:23 PM
I think FPrime 3 will readly help me learn about using the Node editor. Will be nice to see my experimenting update interactively.

Agreed... one major reason I'll be shelling out for Fprime soon. Shame there's no introductory discount ;)

3DBob
03-19-2007, 05:27 PM
Well - no brainer for me - I have been waiting for FP to see nodes before I got into them - and now it does (and with all the 9.2 new material goodness) I'm in. Should shave a few weeks off the node learning curve.

And a network rendering implementation - spot on.....

So, I've ordered 2 upgrades.

Just need to find the money to upgrade to an 8-core+ system now!

3DBob

voriax
03-19-2007, 05:46 PM
The demo of dielectric speed is enough for me to upgrade. And interactive SSS from the new materials? Heck yes.
Even if you still use the LW renderer for final renders, fprime is still practically a must-have for interactive previewing of surface and lighting settings.

TSpyrison
03-19-2007, 05:56 PM
Ordered.. Without a second thought.

I expect, that FPrime 3 will help me get my noodle wrapped around nodes like the original helped with surfacing in general.

T-Light
03-19-2007, 06:07 PM
They say that 'normally' orders are processed within one business day. If we managed to be say the first 50 through the door (could happen), what's the chances of the orders being processed now? All the Worley staff can't be sat around just watching the new site stats. I seem to rember things went quite well for the first day or so of ordering the original, then things went a bit ballistic.

Saying all that, the original run up to the release of FPrime 1.0 was HUGE, people were talking about it every day for quite a while. The majority of buyers and upgraders may not know anything about this yet.

(He who hopes for a download email any second)

Intuition
03-19-2007, 06:12 PM
I'd think maybe the first 30-50 orders may be lucky enough to see it by tonight or tomorrow. After the rest of the world wakes up and orders it will be days between order and delivery.

pooby
03-19-2007, 06:15 PM
IVE got my download link!

Intuition
03-19-2007, 06:23 PM
Ah, a good sign. :D

Matt
03-19-2007, 06:24 PM
BIG up MATT ... You name is etched in the Worley's site

http://worley.com/E/Products/fprime/man_network.html

I saw that, holy crap!!! I'm famous!!! ;)

So, all the speculation was spot on! Ordered within seconds, I cannot wait to mess with this, like discovering FPrime all over again!

The man is just a genius, what in the world would we do with him! New LightWave, new FPrime, life is great again!

THANK YOU Steve!

:D

pooby
03-19-2007, 06:28 PM
I was just about to go to bed when the site went up.. Instead I ordered and drove all the way to my studio (in a castle in a wood)..

I'm sat here waiting for the activation codes for some software in the middle of the night like a kid on christmas eve waiting for santa claus.

My girlfriend must think I'm weird. I hope she's still there when I get back.

T-Light
03-19-2007, 06:30 PM
Matt -

So, all the speculation was spot on! Ordered within seconds, I cannot wait to mess with this, like discovering FPrime all over again!

The man is just a genius, what in the world would we do with him! New LightWave, new FPrime, life is great again!

THANK YOU Steve!
:agree:
It just isn't possible to put it any better :D
Can't wait to put it through skinnnnn, mmmm skin.

T-Light
03-19-2007, 06:33 PM
Pooby -

Instead I ordered and drove all the way to my studio (in a castle in a wood)..
Jeez, I thought I was bad sat up in the kitchen :D

Ang on, YOU WORK IN A CASTLE IN A WOOD? :eek: :eek: :cool:

mattclary
03-19-2007, 06:43 PM
(in a castle in a wood)..


I'm jealous! :gotpics:


...................

pooby
03-19-2007, 06:46 PM
I'll find some.. when I've finished playing with FPRIME3!!!!

I have it!!! my goodness its fast!!!

tyrot
03-19-2007, 06:51 PM
dear castle defender sir knight pooby

Please show animation...just give some radiosity renders..post it..come on.

how do you compare with previous Fprime renders...stop teasing. we are overloaded!!

best

pooby
03-19-2007, 06:57 PM
I have a render cooking.. I'll post it in a mo.. meanwhile, here's my studio

FBGB
03-19-2007, 07:01 PM
I have a render cooking.. I'll post it in a mo.. meanwhile, here's my studio

thats just wow!
wireframe&setup&rendering time please! :)

pooby
03-19-2007, 07:05 PM
Ok.. this is 7 mins.. that may sound slow, but this is lit only with luminous polys and has 2 monte carlo bounces and the skin shader . and it's in the previewer not the renderer.

Intuition
03-19-2007, 07:07 PM
gah, 7 minutes is great for that! What type of computer you on?

tyrot
03-19-2007, 07:08 PM
dear david bowie pooby

how is the noise dealing this time? Can you give a basic area light test with a room ...i know you are not archvizer but at least we can identify noise settings..

Best

Matt
03-19-2007, 07:09 PM
Come on Pooby! HOW fast is it?

I am sooooo glad I have a Quad Core Extreme box now! Renders are gonna scream!!!!

:D

pooby
03-19-2007, 07:12 PM
this is 1 mins with 3 bounces

dual quad core (very fast)

bobakabob
03-19-2007, 07:12 PM
Ok.. this is 7 mins.. that may sound slow, but this is lit only with luminous polys and has 2 monte carlo bounces and the skin shader . and it's in the previewer not the renderer.

Great Bowie render... even down to the Ziggy era teeth :D

Matt
03-19-2007, 07:14 PM
Dual Quad Core, so 8 Cores, yes?

Are you finding it deals with noise better?

3dworks
03-19-2007, 07:17 PM
this is 1 mins with 3 bounces

dual quad core (very fast)

wow, thanks for that late night preview!! :)

looks like it got faster ;)

...but still no reflection caustics, hmmm

markus

mattclary
03-19-2007, 07:19 PM
I have a render cooking.. I'll post it in a mo.. meanwhile, here's my studio

What a WANKER! ;) You suck! I want to work in a freaking castle!

pooby
03-19-2007, 07:20 PM
i think it's a lot better at dealing with noise.. It's hard for me to judge as I've hardly done any rendering since I got my new machine so it's just awesomely fast but I don't know whats Fprime and what's the processor.. hold on.. I'll send off two versions and see.

tyrot
03-19-2007, 07:21 PM
dear pooby

ok antialiasing is great for that min. But it is So noisy

(as a follower of exception lessons, montecarlo will be always noisy...so since worley havent add any new methods for radiosity calculation, Noise will remain....or am i wrong? )

I know it gets annoying, but you are alone in a castle in the woods, your girlfriend packing her things up (she thinks you are awful cuz you showed your prime(a)ry choice ) so mate, you have nothing but wonderer wavers whole around the world, give us a basic animation...please

Best

arsad
03-19-2007, 07:27 PM
I know it gets annoying, but you are alone in a castle in the woods, your girlfriend packing her things up (she thinks you are awful cuz you showed your prime(a)ry choice ) so mate, you have nothing but wonderer wavers whole around the world, give us a basic animation...please

Best

lol


@ Pooby: thanks a lot for posting the images!

pooby
03-19-2007, 07:31 PM
the better one is FP3

Ok, they both had 2 mins on the previewer (in fact the grainy one had about 10 secs longer as I fumbled about trying to save it)

so it's a lot better with noise

I think I made an error earlier as that other image of the room is darker so I presume it had less bounces.. this one had 2

T-Light
03-19-2007, 07:31 PM
Yeah cheers pooby :)

Anyone else order around the same kind of time and still waiting for their download email?

I received the confirmation order at 22:36... (UK time, bout 3 hours ago forum time)

It's painfull waiting.

tonybliss
03-19-2007, 07:35 PM
Still waiting for download email ... but no prob I can wait :D
anticipation feels good :D

tonybliss
03-19-2007, 07:39 PM
Oh I almost forgot ... The new site looks great and clean ....
We all got so caught up in FP3

archiea
03-19-2007, 07:47 PM
When awaiting a release, you can pretty much assume Archie is going to do this. I surprised it took him this long to show up. You're slipping Archie!


ahhheheheh... you said... "release"...

Don;t blame the playa, blame the game... :D

Well... at least exciting news is ahead... and outside of the whats going on with Britney Spears. :twak:

tonybliss
03-19-2007, 07:49 PM
Oh Pooby you are officially the FIRST mortal to do a test and public render display of FP3. You should be knighted ... lol
but really I LOVE your castle ... wanna sell :D

voriax
03-19-2007, 07:51 PM
I wonder how many of us are sitting with our email programs open hitting "Send/Receive" every minute....

T-Light
03-19-2007, 07:51 PM
archiea -

and outside of the whats going on with Britney Spears
Oh no, what's happened to Britney Spears?

I'm joking, i'm joking :D

Pooby, are you still about? when did you get your confirmation email?

T-Light
03-19-2007, 07:55 PM
voriax -

I wonder how many of us are sitting with our email programs open hitting "Send/Receive" every minute....
Or wondering if we gave the right CC number, or the right zip/postal code, or if the mail's been lost in the ether, or worse caught by some server side experimental spam control.

D*mn this is frustrating :D, that's it I'm off to get the slippers and dressing gown.

tyrot
03-19-2007, 07:58 PM
dear pooby

thanks so much...i have seen what i want to see.

fprime still is an outstanding - kickobutto previewer.

I cannot satisfy any of my clients with that noise levels even it is faster (on a very fast machine) ...Of course this is my first impression...i can be wrong.

So Mr. Granger...you know you rock when it comes to final render. AFter you let us share that little caching file across network, worley just doesnt need to bother updating radiosity stuff. He can support more LW features, earn more cash with previewing :)

best

pooby
03-19-2007, 08:02 PM
I'd love to stay up and show Fprime3 off more, but I'd better drive home so I can be up bright and early for 'work?' tomorrow..

I got the email about an hour after ordering it, but.. I had to be about the first to order, as the site only just came online that second and I went straight to the order page and bought 5 copies without even reading anything.

So, I don't know how many others were doing the same thing..

Tyrot (those noise levels are after 2 mins on a scene with massive occlusion give it 15 and it'll be gone) I used 2 bounces all the time in Fprime2 and renders were always noise free.

PLUS.. remember I was using the previewer, which is a lot slower than the Renderer

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 08:07 PM
I'd say I ordered within 20 minutes of the site going live. I checked it about a dozen times today and I had just checked it prior to seeing the announcement here on Newtek. I downloaded the dialectic video first thing and ordered my copy after about 30 seconds into it. I still haven't received my link and I imagine this late at night, I probably won't get it til tomorrow. I'm anxious to take her for a spin.

Wickster
03-19-2007, 08:16 PM
I'm a little sad that I have to paay an extra $400 (new owner) just to get that performance to render...don't get me wrong, I am ordering FP3 it's just that...well...I understand how FP3 is important to LW, but I often wondered how important WorleyLabs is to NT not to develop something like it so Worley would not turn sides and develop something to Maya and/or XSI.

Ah well that's just me and my stuhpid wonderings, time to buy FP3. see yah all back here later.

Andyjaggy
03-19-2007, 08:23 PM
The 800 dollars for LW and then 400 for F-Prime is still insanely cheap. Don't complain :)

Andyjaggy
03-19-2007, 08:25 PM
I bet Worley is soaking in the money right now. He's probably taking a well deserved trip to the Bahamas or something at the moment. Meanwhile I am having a battle inside my head weather I want to max out my credit card right now.................

Andyjaggy
03-19-2007, 08:29 PM
Okay I just did it :) Now I am all giddy with anticipation.

T-Light
03-19-2007, 08:45 PM
Andyjaggy - 2:25 am GMT -

I am having a battle inside my head weather I want to max out my credit card right now.................
Andyjaggy - 2:29 am GMT -

Okay I just did it Now I am all giddy with anticipation.
Four Minutes including battling concience, typing and ordering ????
I like your style :D

Andyjaggy
03-19-2007, 09:00 PM
I am week. What can I say :) It's a shame too because I had just payed off my credit card. Curse you Steve Worley.

voriax
03-19-2007, 09:02 PM
Eh. Credit cards are made to be maxed. Otherwise, what's the point? :D

hrgiger
03-19-2007, 09:18 PM
Credit. You can't take it with you. Use it while you're here.

Animapper
03-19-2007, 09:38 PM
i waited for all the Brits to go to bed :) and then i ordered!! I'm still completely amazed at the tools we have at our disposal. Let there be art.

voriax
03-19-2007, 09:44 PM
I wonder if the folks at WL are pulling an all-nighter on this one? They must have been aware of the tsunami of orders that was gonna hit them as soon as this was announced...
Meanwhile....(pressing Send/Receive and shedding another tear)

Andyjaggy
03-19-2007, 09:53 PM
I bet. They probably hired a bunch of high school kids for a week to take care of the flood of orders. So if you have a problem with your order blame our education system :) I have never used F-prime before I am excited as all get out to try it out.

T-Light
03-19-2007, 09:58 PM
Wait till the Brits have gone to bed? Us Brits are still up, we hang around here through the graveyard shift just incase y'all start talking about us :D

ps - still nothing at this end, maybe pooby's the only person in the universe with V3, and He HAS gone to bed :rolleyes:

Intuition
03-19-2007, 10:10 PM
Wait till the Brits have gone to bed? Us Brits are still up, we hang around here through the graveyard shift just incase y'all start talking about us :D

ps - still nothing at this end, maybe pooby's the only person in the universe with V3, and He HAS gone to bed :rolleyes:

I was wondering if Pooby being the only person to get F-Prime 3 on the first day was another of Steve's crazy ideas. :D

I could just see them talking "lets fullfull one order today and let everyone wait around like its xmas eve".

ROFL! :lol:

mattclary
03-19-2007, 10:20 PM
and outside of the whats going on with Britney Spears.

I'm more interested to see the paternity results for Danni Lynn! :devil:

js33
03-19-2007, 10:40 PM
Ordered! :thumbsup:

TSpyrison
03-19-2007, 11:04 PM
Are we there yet??

voriax
03-19-2007, 11:14 PM
Stiiill waiting....

js33
03-19-2007, 11:37 PM
I've always wondered why Worley products aren't available for immediate download after you pay like most other online companies? It seems they process each order manually and create a special directory on their server for each buyer. I'm sure it's to prevent fraud but it seems odd in this day to have to process orders manually.

I'm in no hurry I just think it's odd.

T-Light
03-20-2007, 12:22 AM
I received mine 2 hours ago, installed it, rendered a quick sphere and then got called away :thumbsdow.

I'll see if I can render a head before bed.

voriax
03-20-2007, 12:34 AM
Can't be automatic because it's all linked to your lightwave dongle and stuff, so they have to confirm the rego codes, etc.
But I'm sure if they can write fprime, they can write an automatic registration system?!
;)

T-Light
03-20-2007, 01:50 AM
Here's some quicky's.

Conclusion after some tests with skin.
Suppose we've been really spoilt with the new renderer in 9.2. It actually makes you think FPrime previewer is slow :eek:, it isn't, it's just that skin is so intense to render that even fprime can't bring it to it's knees.

First image is 1.5 minutes, second is 3 minutes, third is eight minutes. Although the 9.2 'renderer' could easily beat it in these tests both on time and with smoother quality renders, I should say these are just the preview renders, not the full FPrime renderer.

The 9.2 versions of this scene are in the 9.2 Gallery (Another skin test animation). Those renders took around 12-15 miutes per frame but were made for animation, any single frame could be rendered in about seven minutes and be acceptable as a still.

T-Light
03-20-2007, 01:52 AM
But Hey, It still only just sinking in to this dense bonce of mine, We've got FPRIME BACK IN LIGHTWAVE
:jam: :jam: :beerchug: :D :beerchug: :jam: :jam:

sammael
03-20-2007, 02:21 AM
This is what has held me back from getting fprime -

FPrime renders the current Layout object mesh. That means that it renders subpatch objects at their Display patch level, not their Render patch level.

Is this true even to the full fprime renderer? Sounds like it would eliminate possible use of Aps and any sort of decent displacement...

Is this not a problem to anyone?

voriax
03-20-2007, 02:27 AM
Sammael, that is correct. It won't work with any scenes that require APS to look good. High-res character details won't be useable unless one side or the other figures out a way to make it happen.
Wonder if there could be some non-rendered APS calculation so that each frame could be subdivided using APS in the layout preview.... Flick it on and it'll do it on a per-frame basis.. mmmm slowdown.

sammael
03-20-2007, 03:13 AM
Sammael, that is correct. It won't work with any scenes that require APS to look good. High-res character details won't be useable unless one side or the other figures out a way to make it happen.

Yep its a real shame imo, although I guess maybe a lesser implimentation of displacement with a normal map may possibly yield decent results... the problem with normal maps in lightwave though is that they tend to over accentuate the shape of the object.


Wonder if there could be some non-rendered APS calculation so that each frame could be subdivided using APS in the layout preview.... Flick it on and it'll do it on a per-frame basis.. mmmm slowdown.

Sounds like a bit of a hastle, I wonder why they cant just make it render added subdivisions or aps anyway, at least in the final rendering part. Could it be possible that they just dont realise the demmand for detailed displacement? or is something to do with the architecture of the program?.

colkai
03-20-2007, 04:12 AM
Credit. You can't take it with you. Use it while you're here.
Die with a few grand in the bank or die owing shed loads on your CC that the company have to write-off.

Ohh, such a toughie :p ;)

My missus car has just broken down, mine needs to go in the garage, things are VERY tight and there is no way I can justify even the $125 upgrade. :eek:

So obviously, I went ahead and upgraded. :beerchug: :hey:

Matt
03-20-2007, 04:46 AM
I bet Worley is soaking in the money right now. He's probably taking a well deserved trip to the Bahamas or something at the moment. Meanwhile I am having a battle inside my head weather I want to max out my credit card right now.................

I heard the original release of FPrime made him millions, if he wasn't a millionaire already!

Deservedly so too! Glad he enjoys coding so much, I'm sure he could retire already!

:D

Lightwolf
03-20-2007, 04:56 AM
Glad he enjoys coding so much, I'm sure he could retire already!

I suppose when you put that much energy and time into your products to get to a certain level in the first place, you don't just retire because of your bank account. The drive is different.
Or, to put it the other way around: If you're just in it for the money, your product is likely to suck ;)

Cheers,
Mike

tonybliss
03-20-2007, 05:09 AM
My missus car has just broken down, mine needs to go in the garage, things are VERY tight and there is no way I can justify even the $125 upgrade. :eek:

So obviously, I went ahead and upgraded. :beerchug: :hey:

Pwwwwwwphbbbbbbbbbb!!! .... hah haha ROTFL
Good god ... and I thought it was only I that do that ... sometimes :b

Hey I 125 atm helps makes me 25K on a job ... it is considered an investment
... no calculus involved :beerchug: :hey:

colkai
03-20-2007, 05:19 AM
Ahh, alas, I don't make money from it, but dag nabit, a guy needs some joy in life. ;)

Anttij77
03-20-2007, 05:30 AM
Ok.. this is 7 mins.. that may sound slow, but this is lit only with luminous polys and has 2 monte carlo bounces and the skin shader . and it's in the previewer not the renderer.

That is one of the best Simple Skin setups I've seen. Good job.

tyrot
03-20-2007, 05:46 AM
dear fprimers

actually the other thread has been merged with this one and we were kindly debating about Fprime overthere.

pooby, i dont think baking can be a real alternative to Caching. Especially 9.2 caching.

For many users Fprime is a vital thing, but for a user who relies on accurate-noise free- cachy animation render Fprime can be pretty questionable. I was hoping so much more in render panel which remains almost same.

And one more thing, Even KRAY pushes some different limits for Lightwave with introducing new instancing feature, why worley doesnt do that i dont get it...(oh yes...he will charge if he introduce something like that...)

He added nodal support and a kind of networking support, multithreading etc...

Instead of writing humour for japanese people he could have come up with a decent radiosity rendering solution. I hate to say it, but probably fprime will never replace any radiosity renderer. Yes "still" a renderer it is..

best

Phil
03-20-2007, 05:46 AM
I'm disappointed that there is no official support for Rosetta and no UB version. No indication of when UB versions might appear, either, which is sad. It does help me keep my plastic safely in my wallet for the time being. I'd probably have been immediately tempted if a UB version was available.

However, I'd also have liked pixel filter previewing (would probably be much better than VIPER when setting up FF4, although FF4 renders pretty damn quickly). The lack of HV3 previewing is irritating as well, although potentially NewTek's issue rather than Worley's.

Not being able to evaluate a demo version also sucks - before dropping $400 on a plugin, it would be nice to be able to see it in action.

Captain Obvious
03-20-2007, 05:51 AM
FPrime is totally worth it. Just buy it.

CAClark
03-20-2007, 05:55 AM
I can't be arsed to read through the whole thread, but do you get 32bit AND 64bit versions?

Lightwolf
03-20-2007, 06:02 AM
I can't be arsed to read through the whole thread, but do you get 32bit AND 64bit versions?
I can't be arsed to find out to answer you... :D
Actually, I don't know, it wasn't mentioned in this thread and is not 100% clear on the website either.

Cheers,
Mike - waiting for his three licenses...

Phil
03-20-2007, 06:03 AM
I'd be frustrated by the glacial (in relative terms) render time in CFM Layout on Intel mac hardware. I'm also not keen on paying $400 for no official support due to the need to run it under Rosetta. I'm additionally nervous about being stung for a UB upgrade fee at some unspecified, unguaranteed later date. Further, I'm wondering how Worley resolves the 'one dongle, two numbers' issue for the same dongle under Win32 vs. CFM.

It would be wrong to say I'm not tempted, but until he clears up the question of a UB version, it's not something my S.O. will agree to put up with. Especially since I only just upgraded Vue (mainly agreed to due to my constant b*tching about how slow Vue 5 was on the new Mac - I now actually am getting some significant use out of the software). :D

CAClark
03-20-2007, 06:08 AM
I can't be arsed to find out to answer you... :D

hehe

Guess I'll just have to ask him then!

Qexit
03-20-2007, 06:17 AM
I can't be arsed to read through the whole thread, but do you get 32bit AND 64bit versions?To quote from the Requirements box on the ordering page over on the Worley Labs site:

"FPrime and Sasquatch also have Windows 64 bit versions"

Does that answer your question ? :thumbsup: I believe that includes the new WSN bonus feature too :D

CAClark
03-20-2007, 06:19 AM
It does and doesn't, as it doesn't actually say they are included in a single purchase explicitly. I'm guessing it does, but I'm asking to be certain :)

Cheers!

Qexit
03-20-2007, 06:25 AM
It does and doesn't, as it doesn't actually say they are included in a single purchase explicitly. I'm guessing it does, but I'm asking to be certain :)

Cheers!Good point. I think both 32 and 64 versions are included with a single purchase...but worth getting absolute confirmation. Though I suspect there will be a bit of a time lag getting replies to emails right now :D

I can tell you that even in 32 bit, it really is nice to see nodes previewed quickly in an FPrime window :neener:

Qexit
03-20-2007, 06:32 AM
Cool. The postman just dropped my copy of the Kurv Studio Introduction to Node Based Texturing tutorial DVD through my letterbox. Good timing or what :dance:

CAClark
03-20-2007, 06:32 AM
32bit will be good, but I know I have renders that push frpime to the limit in 32bit..... so the better memory management of 64bit will be critical.

I suspect the email replies could be a little sluggish coming too!

Cheers!

CAClark
03-20-2007, 06:33 AM
Cool. The postman just dropped my copy of the Kurv Studio Introduction to Node Based Texturing tutorial DVD through my letterbox. Good timing or what :dance:

I'm almost tempted to get that as well.

DogBoy
03-20-2007, 06:33 AM
I'd say you get both, as I bought Sas for the 64bit goodness, and got 32bit as well.

Let's face it, it is tied to your dongle, so you should get both.