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jin choung
03-06-2007, 01:43 AM
http://www.nbc.com/Spiderman/

only available to download for 72hours from this site at full res! it's the green goblin fight! UN-Fing-BELIEVABLE!!!

if this doesn't make your heart pound and completely and totally obviate the need for viagra, i don't know what will!

again, excellent decision making on when to swap out the real actors for cg stand ins.

massive motion blur and no shot (except 1) that is closer than medium shot.

but you can still tell. while i was watching the first time, there were times that struck me as "ah! CG... and going back frame by frame, i was proven right." one place where it is really obvious is when peter's on the glider and slingshots himself toward the ring.

i went frame by frame one of the thing that jumps out at me is that they do NOT ANIMATE HIS FACE! ??? what the heck? but the next shot of harry is cg as well and they're animating his face and this is just barely discernible as cg.

the shot toward the end of the sequence where peter jumps down to the alley ground, wow... i can't tell at all. there's nothing about that shot that gives it away as cg. i assume it is because of the physics of it but man, i simply cannot tell.

come on fellows, what else, we need some more frame by frame analysis!

jin

p.s. oh yeah, and when harry leaps off the board and is about to skewer peter with the green sword, that needed to be re-framed or something. you can't really tell what's going on. and that's going frame by frame! full speed, it is completely unintelligible.

jin choung
03-06-2007, 03:09 AM
hahaha! WOW!

do you puch kittens too? :) kidding.

ok. not your cup of tea. that's completely fine.

but did you watch the 7.5 minute preview with the goblin fight at the link? cuz i get the feeling that you did not. check it out... i'd like to see if you are still as unimpressed.

i'm not sure how old y'are but i seem to remember spider-man comics as being someone sentimental... and certainly, very few comic book characters have been as whiny as peter parker. for corn's sake, he complained that he couldn't get any chicks in high school!

marvel characters are not the monolithic, mythological deities that the DC characters are. they are faulty, vulnerable and at least for peter parker, whiny.

i can see your point that it can get sappy but i never minded it. it's not any more sappy or whiny than luke skywalker ("but i was gonna go to the tachi station to pick up some power converters... WHAH!!!").

sure, it's not david lean but for popular entertainment, i prefer smaltzy and heartfelt (even if overdone) to empty and heartless. after all, spielberg wouldn't have a career if sentimentality didn't work.

but it does make me blink when you despise sentimentality and then you bring up osment.... that kid is nothing if not playing up the cute, tear jerking thing.

in any case, to each his own.

jin

gatz
03-06-2007, 03:51 AM
Despite the fact that I don't care for Venom as a character, I'm looking forward to this. Raimi films the action with a clarity that I appreciate.

I bet they don't market FF4 2 this way. Mainly because I bet they won't be able to find seven decent minutes...

hrgiger
03-06-2007, 04:08 AM
The only thing that looks totally "UN-Fing-BELIEVABLY" is that Peters Spidey sense doesn't go off when he's riding on his vespa and Harry comes up behind him on his sled.

I'm 35.

jin choung
03-06-2007, 04:12 AM
"oh. sarcasm. no no no no, we don't do that here anymore. i was the last practitioner of it but i had to stop because everyone kept looking at me funny...." (roxanne).

31! fellow gen Xer... i'm 33. i guess the sentimentality might've dropped off a bit during the mcfarlane years but i still remember peter as being one heck of a little ****** a good deal of the time. :)

actually, i go counter the opinion of the masses on the xmen movies. never liked them much. i was a huuuuuuge xmen comics fan during the chris claremont, alan davis, romita jr (amongst others) years.

never got over how they didn't make wolverine the midget runt he is in the comics - which explains so much of why that surliness must've developed and nullifies how heroic his subsequent growth into a fairly whole and caring human being is.

HATED the production design... gigantic X's everywhere? ugh. and that perpetual chrome motif... ACK! and the black leather uniforms... bleh!

actually, i hated xmen1 from the first 10 minutes. it was SUCH a WATERED DOWN VERSION of the magneto origin story.

i hate it hate it hate it when they have NAZIS in movies and they are merely as villainous as the department of motor vehicles or child protective services!

in the comics, it was BRILLIANT! eric and his mother and father are being lined up with the rest of the jews over a freshly dug mass grave. the nazis raise their rifles. eric watches helplessly and his father and mother tremble, impotently trying to comfort. the nazis open fire. eric throws up his hands and scream. all the prisoners fall into a bloody heap.

later, a single scrawny hand emerges from the fresh grave. eric claws out of the earth. he's alive. he doesn't know how. later he discovers that that was the moment that his latent powers manifested. in time to save him. but the haunting guilt and self hatred that he was not able to save his parents lingers with him and colors his entire life.

BRILLIANT.

the movie version was just so much blah....

and the complete LACK OF SENSE in jean grey getting killed! considering all the talent on board that jet, they could've saved her 50 times over! any number of ways! and it was not chrystal clear that she was overtly suicidal.... it just wasn't airtight and there was no reason why they couldn't have made it that way.

all in all, the xmen movies always felt watered down and heavy handed regarding its social message and that raises my hackles waaaaay more than self-centered whining.

come to think of it, i did find it odd that spiderman2 was evidently a parable about erectile dysfunction for some reason (aaaaaahhhh, see, this is why i made mention of viagra earlier... my subconscious workin' it overtime! :)

i actually liked xmen 3 the best. it was the least pretentious and mostly just balls to the walls action. though i thought magneto would never betray mystique like that. oh, and it didn't make sense that only wolverin's shirt got blown off by jean at the end. he should've been buck naked if that.

jin

jin choung
03-06-2007, 04:14 AM
The only thing that looks totally "UN-Fing-BELIEVABLY" is that Peters Spidey sense doesn't go off when he's riding on his vespa and Harry comes up behind him on his sled.

I'm 35.

yeah, i hate it when they get sloppy with internal logic in comic book movies. this is the most severe crime in almost all superman movies.

but in this case, i can buy that he is so consumed in thought over the impending proposal and so head over heels that it didn't register.

jin

hrgiger
03-06-2007, 04:16 AM
and I see Venom does make an appearence.

Thanks for posting the link Jin.

Dirk
03-06-2007, 04:16 AM
I love it! Can't wait to see the movie!

And yes, Marvel Comics where always better.

P.S.: and Peters Spider Sense did ring, You can see it in his face. But the attack was just to fast.

StereoMike
03-06-2007, 04:40 AM
I like the Spidey movies very much. It was so refreshing to see a struggling-thru -everyday-life superhero, worlds apart from all these dumb Batman movies (exeption: the post-spiderman movie "batman begins").

And for all that romantic stuff: You don't have a girlfirend, Neverko? They like that stuff, and that way you can drag them easily into the cinema. That's good for the family life :)

mike

jin choung
03-06-2007, 04:43 AM
actually,

i really do LOVE that aspect of the spider-man movies. the fact that life is such a struggle for him, that he's got money troubles, lives in a tiny apartment that he can barely afford, etc etc....

life just out of college was one heckuva tightrope act for me and having that reflected back... yeah, i can relate to it.

jin

StereoMike
03-06-2007, 04:51 AM
I think that's a big part of the success of the spider-man movies. He feels somehow like yourself (the weak part of him), the character is much closer than e.g. a divine superman.

Thanks for the link Jin! My wife is eagerly anticipating the movie and watched the trailer with great interest (as I did obviously too).
btw, I'm 33 too

mike

Bog
03-06-2007, 07:20 AM
Doing 3D has ruined me for enjoying things like this. Watching the alleyway chase, I couldn't stop thinking that the black point was set completely wrong for this monitor, which was why all the comp elements stood out like sore thumbs.

*sighs*

Still! Looks like a good excuse to eat a hot-dog and stuff my face with popcorn for a couple of hours!

jasonwestmas
03-06-2007, 07:59 AM
Bog, why are you always in the threads that I want to read? ;) Couldn't agree more. CG movies are ruined for me, I only watch them to learn stuff now :P Pathetic.

Bog
03-06-2007, 08:18 AM
Bog, why are you always in the threads that I want to read? ;)

Because I'm tweaking an SSS render, and therefore have a lot of time on my hands ;)

teemue
03-15-2007, 07:56 AM
I kinda liked spider-man 1, but I really really loved spider-man 2! Nobody else liked it that much but I felt like clapping at the end of the film. (And don't get me wrong, I appreciate mostly european art films). I hope the third ones fills the promises it shows in the trailer.. I mean, this saga really Developes! with a big D.

And for the thing that the comics don't look like the film? I think spider-man is the second to sin city with its authentic feel and characters.. I mean, Mary J is looking exactly the same as in the comic books! (would've been so easy to replace her with a pretty bimbo as they did for elektra, have you actually checked daredevil? it is horrible, horrible) Peter is exactly a whining nerd as he is in the first albums (My girlfriend bought those new-prints a while ago).

All the same, the 3rd may lack excitement with its repetativeness but the struggle with the black suit is a good ace in the game. Definetely going to see it.

I'm 24. Read spider-man since I was 9.

jin choung
03-15-2007, 08:13 AM
people didn't like 2? really? i loved it!

haha, but the physics impossibility of dock ock throwing spider-man (on the moving train sequence), spider-man flying through a bridge with people on it and then hitting dock ock... that made me laugh.

reminded me of physics questions about how a baseball would move if tossed up in a moving car....

jin

hrgiger
03-15-2007, 09:44 AM
If you want to talk about impossibles, how about when Spidey is down on the dock where Octavian built his second fusion machine and he's throwing webs into the air where there aren't buildings anywhere in that area?

Ztreem
03-15-2007, 01:41 PM
I must say that spider-man and X-men is the maybe the only really successful comics made in film in my opinion. I mean the HULK, the fantastic four, Dare devil, Electra and all the others is just bad movies. I really enjoyed the X-men and the Spiderman movies, this movie will be great. OH! I forgot Hellboy and Sincity is good as well and I'm looking forward to 300. I'm 29.

connerh
03-15-2007, 03:04 PM
You could have just stopped after "built his second fusion machine." Physics cried in that movie.

GregMalick
03-15-2007, 03:10 PM
I disagree about the FF. It's probably the best adaptation to capture the interpersonal dynamics of the original comic. And Jessica Alba actually improved the Invisible "Girl".

I think the next couple FF movies will try to capture the peak excitement of the Silver Surfer / Galactus battles. They will probably conclude with Dr. Doom stealing the Surfer's power and running rampage on the earth.


I can't wait ... My wife & I are kids again. :D

GregMalick
03-17-2007, 10:29 AM
Here's what I'm talking about....

Bog
03-20-2007, 05:42 PM
Hum. HD trailer of Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer is up.

I never saw the original FF movie, being a heeyooj childhood fan of the comics, but deary me. This actually looks promising.

Also interesting how they've apparently accepted that the Surfer is going to look CGI, and decided not to have him mirror-type reflective. He looks silvery, t'be sure. Dissociated from his surroundings, though.

Innnnnteresting, and in a "where's CG going?" way, not just a "Ben Grimm looks rockier than that!" kinda way.

(Blimey, though - Reed Richards looks... young. And like a member of the Addams Family).

jin choung
03-21-2007, 03:35 AM
but what's up with giving ss the ghostly ability to just transcend matter at will?! like he doesn't have a heckuva lot of other power cosmic stuff they could've drawn on!

dislike the way they changed the origin story so that doom was on the space ship... wtf? and why make him a "god of metal". just kinda arbitrary. oh and the thing as a guy in a suit?!?! that's just unforgivable. you don't make the movie till you get the budget to do it right. if ever there was a character that screamed cg, it's the motherfing it's clobberin' time thing!

jin

LW_Will
03-21-2007, 01:23 PM
connerh,

There was a guy stick to the wall with the "Spider Powers" he got from a RADIOACTIVE SPIDER BITE...

I think the science got up, dusted it self off, and EXPLODED...

"Tell yourself its just a show, I should really just relax..."