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Jim_C
01-23-2007, 05:58 PM
Hey All,

I have really come to respect the knowledge and opinions here re: art, artists and creating.

My girlfriend (and others including Oprah) have been all a-ga-ga recently over this 11 year old painter.....<knowing the knowledge I am talking too here I may be WAY behind on the info about the artist>

They look 'nice' to me, and I guess really good for an 11 year old... but I am wondering if the message she attaches to them has helped her publicity or if she is the next <fill in name of great painter>

http://www.artakiane.com/akiane_art.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YdIVeBo8SE


Just wondering.....

See Ya

Jim

evenflcw
01-23-2007, 08:00 PM
So she can paint better than most already at an early age. That's wonderful. Mostly for her and her parents and people who like to read about exceptional people. Then what!? People will be good at different things, some will excel. Be amazed, then comes tomorrow and you forget about it. What's to discuss? "Art"? Anyone can be an artist and create "art". No matter how close to looking like crap or nothing at all, there will still be people who say they see or create art. As there will be people who say it isn't art. Some animals do "art" and sell good too! So who's to be the judge? The beholder will have it his way anyway. As for technique, I'm sure some older masters (or oDDity) could tear her works apart. Her young age in relation to how she can paint is really all that is getting her the attention. It's not like her paintings are the best anyone's ever seen or more art than anything else just because they where painted at such a young age. Had she been 10 years older she would be a mediocre artist, and probably just a happy amateur. As such this is more a novelty than exceptional art. Until she paints her way to world peace I won't be amazed. She's just good at painting at a young age, that's all.

oDDity
01-24-2007, 05:28 AM
You could teach most children to paint as well as that by age 11, if you really tried, it's just that most children can't really hold their concentration on such things, and most parents don't force them.
It's not uncommon to see 11 year olds who are technically excellent musicians for example, because they've been assiduously trained from a very early age.
The same applies to art, though it's not as common for children to be seriosuly trained in art from a young age.
Statements such as "I want my art to draw people's attention to god, and I want my poetry to keep people's attention to god'
sound like they have been fed to her by the adults surrounding her, trying to cash in, so I wouldn't pay any attention to that.

Jim_C
01-24-2007, 05:49 AM
Thanks for the thoughts.

After my girlfriend brought her to my attention yesterday, and I did a little research, I discovered she has recently been slobbered over by Oprah, CNN, Larry King etc.....

Her paintings look pretty to me, but not being a hand to canvas or paper artist of any kind I didn't know if I was missing something.
If she was using the 'elaborate brush stroke of Baron Von Browhausen' rarely seen in accomplished adults let alone 12 year olds. Or the such.

I do think her attrbuting her gift to God so much and so frequently helps push her image and gets her on TV.

If she said, 'I see Kermit the Frog in every painting I paint and Miss Piggy gave me this wonderful gift' she wouldn't make the headlines she does.

She would just be a kid with an imagination and artistic talent.

But throw the G word in there and she is suddenly an 'angel sent to live amongst us.'

Anyway,not knocking the G man in any way, He holds a place in my life too....

tata
Jim

Kuzey
01-24-2007, 06:06 AM
The first thing that came to my mind is she'll grow up to make illustrations for mags or boring ads in mags and maybe get lucky and have her work on a stamp.

Me...I wouldn't call it art, no where near it and don't you know...if Oprah likes it, it must be bad :D

Now there was this autistic English kid a while back who has a photographic memory. He would draw citysacpes from memory and in ink as well...brilliant stuff :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Kuzey

Iain
01-24-2007, 06:44 AM
I vaguely remember a quote from Picasso saying he could draw beautifully when he was a child but it took him years to learn to draw like a child.

Iain
01-24-2007, 06:45 AM
Now there was this autistic English kid a while back who has a photographic memory. He would draw citysacpes from memory and in ink as well...brilliant stuff :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Kuzey

He now has a proper art gallery.

Kuzey
01-24-2007, 06:54 AM
Iain, that's great news, I remember there was a book or two aswell :D

Do you have a name or link, I too have a photographic memory but it's just a little too fuzzy. I might need to change the lens or something :D

Kuzey

Iain
01-24-2007, 07:23 AM
http://www.stephenwiltshire.co.uk/

LiftNw8
01-24-2007, 08:17 AM
From what I see she is an incredible artist, but it also appears to me that her parents are trying to cash in on her ability at this young age and if that is the case then that is quite awful. As for her statements about "god", wait till she figures out that truth, hope it don't hurt to much.

faulknermano
01-24-2007, 07:59 PM
like many others have said, her technique is, without doubt, very good - uncommon for artists in that age.

but with all things, art will grow (or die) for a particular person. her paintings dont particular touch me (which is no new news), but i'm sure it touches other people, and that's what art is about.

as for her commercialisation, wait and see. we've all seen the corrupting hand of money, but i'd rather wait and see. you cant tell a tree except for its fruit, which you have to wait to see.

as for her growing as an artist, wait and see.

mattclary
01-24-2007, 08:15 PM
You could teach most children to paint as well as that by age 11, if you really tried, it's just that most children can't really hold their concentration on such things, and most parents don't force them.
It's not uncommon to see 11 year olds who are technically excellent musicians for example, because they've been assiduously trained from a very early age.
The same applies to art, though it's not as common for children to be seriosuly trained in art from a young age.
Statements such as "I want my art to draw people's attention to god, and I want my poetry to keep people's attention to god'
sound like they have been fed to her by the adults surrounding her, trying to cash in, so I wouldn't pay any attention to that.


I have to say for once I agree with you 100% Oddity. I'm usually between 40 and 60% ;)

Being the proud father of a very bright 2 1/2 year old, I have come to the conclusion that children's abilities are (for the most part) only limited by the drive and perseverance of their parents.

I remember seeing Tiger Woods on "That's Incredible" because his father taught him to golf (and golf well) at a very early age.

mattclary
01-24-2007, 08:29 PM
p.s. It looks like they formed an LLC for her as early as age 4... Seems awfully optimistic, maybe I am mis-interpreting the fact that they have that on the old drawings...

Matt
01-24-2007, 08:48 PM
Amazing artist, needs to tone down the God bothering speak IMO! Not stepping on anyones religeon, but it seems a little fanatical to me!

sculptactive
01-25-2007, 12:18 AM
To be be Art and not Craft in needs to have an original element of unknown in either the, Form the Idea, or the Process. At eleven it would be hard to have it in one of these areas let alone all three, though nothing is impossible.

Kuzey
01-25-2007, 04:56 AM
http://www.stephenwiltshire.co.uk/

Brilliant...now I'm dying to pick up a pen and start making my own art...the old fashion way :thumbsup:

Kuzey

colkai
01-25-2007, 06:28 AM
I remember this "young lad" myself, i think it's superb that he has gone on to do so well.
I know someone with severe learning difficulties, when I first met her, her 'art' was basically colouring books for yound children, (she was in her late teens at the time), now, her work is of a standard I could only apsire to and much of it is original from ideas.
As with many people like this, I think a big thing allowing the person to express themselves and doing everything possible to encourage them.

As oDDity says, start young enough and yes, you can get really good results when you're quite young, but whether it was the obsessive "god this..god that" mantra she spouted, or the fact that the video was of her "working" on an image that looked all but complete, my cynical side came out.

Is there any footage of this girl actually working through a painting? Or do they spring "complete" from the families house?

tyrot
01-25-2007, 06:48 AM
Is there any footage of this girl actually working through a painting? Or do they spring "complete" from the families house?

dear colkai

good point..

i also didnt get that God part that much well.

best

Kuzey
01-25-2007, 06:51 AM
Another thing, is she drawing/painting from life or from photos because all of her work look way too flat.

Colkai, do you have a link..I would love to see examples of her art :thumbsup:

Kuzey

colkai
01-25-2007, 07:04 AM
Alas no, she doesn't have a web presence, she just does her work for herself and family.
Just thought, another thing I love about her, is, she lacks any concern about her learning difficulties and will quite happily state her problems as you and I would comment on being under the weather. Quite funny to see peoples reactions to this, sometimes, not so funny as you see an instant change of attitude to this "defective" person. :(

Kuzey
01-25-2007, 07:31 AM
So she's truly an honest person...would be great if more people were like that :thumbsup:

That's a shame about the web thingy and you painted her out to be such a great artist and all. :)

I hope she'll get there one day, a published book would be even better.

Kuzey

colkai
01-25-2007, 09:04 AM
I know she's sold a few pieces of work and has a 'follower' of her work that regularly buys works. I know my wife would kill for that, she's always bemoaning the fact that her stuff doesn't sell. :p

oDDity
01-25-2007, 09:37 AM
She should try to get into the whole christian market.
Really, those guys will buy any old tat as long as it has a bible verse attached to it.

Nicolas Jordan
01-25-2007, 09:49 AM
She has some pretty nice work, poems and stories to go along with them. I really have to wonder though if she will soon get bored with her work in time because of lack of challenge. It is well known that some of these so called prodigy children become uninterested in their own ability or break in some way once they reach a certain age. It will be interesting to see if this one maintains her ability.

CMT
01-25-2007, 11:06 AM
You could teach most children to paint as well as that by age 11, if you really tried, it's just that most children can't really hold their concentration on such things, and most parents don't force them.
It's not uncommon to see 11 year olds who are technically excellent musicians for example, because they've been assiduously trained from a very early age.


Oh no... not that little "master" painter again... she was up in the media a few years back, I guess she was 9 years old then. As Oddity says, if she's been brainwashed and trained for that single purpose, it's not really anything special. I compare it to training a dog.

Her "art" is clearly empty and imposed upon her, by religious parents as a means of turning a quick buck from god fearing people who just admire such a little "prodigy".

Good riddance to bad religious art.

Yes, let's all make this snap judgement! No way she could have the desire to create art at an early age. She had to be FORCED to develop such talent (that apparently some believe every child could develop, if forced)....
That's such unproven nonsense. I guess Tiger Woods was forced to play golf when he was younger.... Give me a friggin break!

Now that I'm thinking about it, what you're really saying is that you could have been that good at that age if you were only forced to ..... I get it now.

But by that logic, we could all be Mozarts if we were just forced to when we were young.

It seems it was at around 8 that this girl's ability with color and form really exploded. Sorry, you can't teach any ol' child to do this. I'd like to see anyone try.... I've seen people who study and practice art constantly and come nowhere close to her ability. On the other hand, there are plenty of mature artists who have better understanding of form, color, etc.... But she is still a very young artist.

No, this girl is truely gifted.


Good riddance to bad religious art.

Nice. Why don't you tell that to the 11 year old girl?

Glendalough
01-25-2007, 11:40 AM
This poor girl is being totally exploited!

The drawings she did at four years of age are better than her recent work.

She has not been given access to proper teachers, or maybe, better still, left to her own devises. The pictures are all just copies of other various styles like the covers of cheap paperbacks.

At this stage she needs a good lawyer (attorney).

Nicolas Jordan
01-25-2007, 11:45 AM
It seems it was at around 8 that this girl's ability with color and form really exploded. Sorry, you can't teach any ol' child to do this. I'd like to see anyone try.... I've seen people who study and practice art constantly and come nowhere close to her ability. On the other hand, there are plenty of mature artists who have better understanding of form, color, etc.... But she is still a very young artist.

No, this girl is truely gifted.


Yes I would have to agree with you, she is definitely a very gifted person to be able to paint like that at such a young age. It's always interesting that people always have to come up with an explanation as to why someone is so good at something other than that they are simply just good at it and nothing more.

iconoclasty
01-25-2007, 12:18 PM
I guess Tiger Woods was forced to play golf when he was younger.... Give me a friggin break!

From what I've seen, yes Tiger was practically forced to play as a toddler. Just like all the preteen piano prodigies out there that were obviously bred to play since before they could walk. And I don't believe these child prodigies are regretful for their parent's actions. When you're that young and your parents constantly tell you that something is fun and you're enjoying it, you start to believe it.

And I really don't have anything against parents grooming their children at a young age, so long as it's not so intense they can't enjoy their childhood.

TheDynamo
01-25-2007, 12:51 PM
What's more interesting to me are the widely varied opinions people have of this particular subject. I used to know a child who drew nearly as an adult at the age of 12 I think and it also came from a deeply devout family. Faith can be a powerful motivator regardless of faith in whom or what (had to add that for you pastafarians).

Regardless it's certainly uncommon to have a child that can paint like that at her age, expect to see everything from prints to birthday cards shortly at your local Christian retailer next to Thomas Kinkade :D

-Dyn

Dexter2999
01-25-2007, 02:08 PM
People of faith might construe her knack as a gift from God. This furthers the faith and determination.

Subject matter aside I think she obviously has lighting, shading, and proportions down. As she grows older I think she will probably get more into foreshortening and adding depth and interest to her compositions. She is still a child and has plenty of room for growth.


If she outgrows her attachment to religious art she could have a future making a living as an artist. I don't about as a famous artist but making a living doing something you love is a good thing.

Even if she sticks with the religious art she could do bible illustrations, like another poster said Cards or calendars. She has an audience. Worst case scenario is she never gets better and goes from art show to art show selling paintings of Angels.

She is better than I am in any case.

mattclary
01-25-2007, 03:35 PM
Kids rarely make a random decision to persue some interest to the point of gaining great skill, they are pushed in that direction by their parents. I'm not saying it's bad, I just perceive it as a given...