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titane357
01-06-2007, 08:36 AM
Hello. I'm still looking for "the" good painting program.
I read a lot and a lot of forum threads....
I'm wondering m*d* vs C4D. I "choose" these two soft because of their Lightwave compatibility and the bonus features they offert.
I do some organic, but a lot more of architectural works and design.
I tested these two soft, but I would like to have an advise from people that use these soft with LW. Thanks.:D

cresshead
01-06-2007, 02:31 PM
your looking for a 3d object painting program yeah?

not a 'painting program' such as painter, photoshop, corel photopaint, tv paint, dogwaffe etc?

if you require 3d painting then bodypaint is currently the industry leader though modo is getting there too.
faq :- body paint also ships with cinema10.

cresshead
01-06-2007, 02:35 PM
http://www.maxon.net/pages/images/products/bodypaint3d/bp_1_e.jpg


http://www.maxon.net/pages/products/bodypaint3d/bodypaint3d_e.html

http://www.maxon.net/pages/products/bodypaint3d/lightwave/lightwave_e.html

Martin Adams
01-07-2007, 04:00 AM
not a 'painting program' such as painter, photoshop, corel photopaint, tv paint, dogwaffe etc?

Don't forget ArtRage (http://www.artrage.com) :D

radams
01-07-2007, 04:29 AM
And Don't forget that Aura & Mirage are also out there and can paint onto LW objects...or did you forget that part ?

Cheers,

radams
01-07-2007, 04:36 AM
Hi Again,

I do want to ask thou...you are saying that you do mostly arch viz. If that is the case then your needing to create better materials than the need to paint on textures...then you would have a better library to use on other projects rather than just one object or section. Or are you looking at dirtying up your textures ?

I would think that you would be looking to do more painted textures for characters and organics than for other objects...which with other modelers/painting systems would be more helpful in that area....LW trys to be a more generalist toolset...and with specific target needs comes the need to add additional toolsets and connective solutions.

Good luck in your quest....Body Paint seems to be a nice choice...but modo & others are also good...take then for a test drive and put them thru want you need to do...that will give you a better answer than anyone here can give you.

Cheers,

cresshead
01-07-2007, 04:37 AM
And Don't forget that Aura & Mirage are also out there and can paint onto LW objects...or did you forget that part ?

Cheers,


aura and mirage are both previous versions of TV Paint:D
www.tvpaint.com

http://www.cresshead.com/wip/tvpaint_sml.jpg

radams
01-07-2007, 04:53 AM
TV paint does not integrate with LW from what I understand...but Aura & Mirage do.

Cheers,

cresshead
01-07-2007, 05:12 AM
aura/mirage:-you mean the uv plugin?



From what i read/heard it wasn't that great a connection in actual usage with models in realworld use and so didn't become a everyday tool for lw/aura users.

if you want to paint with textures for 3d models then bodypaint,modo, hexagon, zbrush are the best apps for this requirement.

aura...available second hand
mirage... available second hand
bauhaus continue to sell mirage but they have no legal right to do so, as i understand it they are operating illeagly as tv paint withdrew they're permission to distribrute the software in the usa.


if you want natural media/cartoon/painting/sketch animation then tv paint woudl be a much better option with it's rotatable canvas and animation timeline.

radams
01-07-2007, 05:32 AM
if you want to paint with textures for 3d models then bodypaint,modo, hexagon, zbrush are the best apps for this requirement. .

No argue there...those are better apps for 3D integrated work...



bauhaus continue to sell mirage but they have no legal right to do so, as i understand it they are operating illeagly as tv paint withdrew they're permission to distribrute the software in the usa.

Here we can disagree...I think you won't like what will happen with the legal issues that TVPaint has caused. And until things are properly sorted out I would NOT be stating what is or is not the issues involved...you may not be as fully informed as you may think.

ie: If bauhaus didn't have the legal rights to Mirage they would have been legally been forced to stop developing and selling Mirage...which has NOT happened. Also think for a minute...TVPaint was forced to sell their product under a different name..why ? I won't comment on where the feature set came from...nor the addons that were meant to be part of Mirage's develpoment but NEVER delievered as per the contract.

May I suggest that we stay out of these legal issues and just stick with doing our craft...and be less cheerleaders for apps that need to stand on their own merits....for 3D tvpaint is also NOT one of them...

Modo, zbrush, bodypaint, etc... are....with some already owning Aura/Mirage which also has some links...

Cheers,

cresshead
01-07-2007, 05:44 AM
i think the issues with bauhouse/tv paint are indeed left to themselves:agree:

re 3d painting...
had a quick look at hexagon

http://www.cresshead.com/training/hex_intro_andprt1.mov

http://www.cresshead.com/training/hex_prt2_and_selctions.mov

http://www.cresshead.com/training/hex_part3.mov

http://www.cresshead.com/training/hex_part4.mov

thing to remember is that it is still a bit buggy..so save often..and incremental saves will be the order of the day too!

here's what i made during the videos...

http://www.cresshead.com/wip/hex_ambient_occ_grab.jpg


http://www.cresshead.com/wip/hex_horse_paint.jpg

radams
01-07-2007, 06:02 AM
Hi Again all, & Cresshead...

Hexagon is an interesting app...but I would NOT recommend it at this time since development has been halted due to sale of the company and source code....it was basically one programmer who did the original...and he is no longer part of that new company...

So fixes to it and updates may not be as quick as you might like....but if you know that going in...then good luck and enjoy....

I would put my money into one of the other solutions first thou...

Cheers,

cresshead
01-07-2007, 06:11 AM
yeah quite true!...since i got it for a round 18 i thought i'd a have a bash in it..it's okay to play in but any big/serious work you'd go and look at bodypaint...though the idea of testing out 3d painting with hexagon has a least helped me understand what would be needed in a pro 3d painting app...the lack of layers/undo for the painting part in hexagon make the features of bodypaint stand out so much more!

radams
01-07-2007, 06:16 AM
That I would agree with Cresshead ;)

Modo, Zbrush, & Body Paint seem to be the best options at this time...thou you can still us other methods with standard paint apps just without the interaction that those give you...

Cheers,

titane357
01-07-2007, 08:12 AM
Thanks for your replies. I'll perhaps give a chance to modo for its LW compatibility...

beverins
03-16-2007, 10:09 AM
This program loads lwo directly

http://www.cameleon-labs.com/index.php?page=11

works as a plugin in Photoshop, apparently. Works pretty well

Elmar Moelzer
03-16-2007, 11:25 AM
Dont forget to mention FIs UVchalk. It is not as feature rich as the others and has some smaller issues, but its free and works directly in Modeler!
http://www.flay.com/GetDetail.cfm?ID=2069
CU
Elmar