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jtoney7852
07-22-2006, 08:54 AM
sorry for the doulbe post, i think i might have posted it in the wrong place.

Hi again. Yes I am at it again, working on a new space scene for a documentary I am doing for star trek. I want to make a few things from scratch and I am wondering if there is any good tutorials on how to do this from start to finish.

I need to make the Enterprise D complete with bridge. So that I can zoom out from bridge into space and see the ship; engineering; obersvation lounge.

I also need to make a working large starbase like you see on Star Trek 3 (http://services.tos.net/pics/st3/st3-starbase.gif). I need it to work in a manner that I can open the doors, have the lights move, and get the ship inside it. In addition I need to make a small corridor from the Enterprise D as well as from from the star base.

I also need to learn how to make the ship look like it is moving into warp.


Please direct me to the appropriate tutorials. I am asking a lot but I have a big idea.





Even if you cant give me all of them, pieces would be better than nothing at all.

Skinner3D
07-22-2006, 09:36 AM
:stumped: I haven't worked with Lightwave to know if it can do this, but for the warp drive part, you are looking to have your object leave motion trails.
I don't know how much this helps8/

gerry_g
07-22-2006, 10:00 AM
You might be better asking for help over here http://www.lwg3d.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=294. they're completely Startrek nuts (and I mean that as a compliment, they post some great stuff)
But as a generalization you can model anything you want, however, you gotta learn to model first..........walk before you can run ;0)

mjcrawford
07-22-2006, 10:59 AM
You might be better asking for help over here http://www.lwg3d.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=294. they're completely Startrek nuts (and I mean that as a compliment, they post some great stuff)
:agree:

the Lightwave Group not olnly are they Star Trek nuts, but look in the resources section and you will find some incredible Trek models for FREE download.. really really good! if you are unable to model a high poly starship in your timline.. check out the models they have as a shortcut! I made one Enterprise model that I really liked, but it took me well over 500 hours of work to get it just right.. and I am still not entirely happy with it. If you want to do somthing that looks good, and you are fairly new to building a Starship.. a simple tutorial is not going to help much.


:offtopic:
I don't care what anyone says... Kirk was the greatest Captian in the history of Sci-Fi!:D

This is just one of the free models you can Download

Digital Hermit
07-22-2006, 12:36 PM
:offtopic:
I don't care what anyone says... Kirk was the greatest Captian in the history of Sci-Fi!:D

Yes, Kirk is king!

I think one of the best lines Kirk ever said was in "City on the Edge of Forever", "Lets get the (heck) out of here"

oDDity
07-22-2006, 12:49 PM
I still like TNG, but how anyone can still watch those old orignal episodes (whch I once loved a a small boy) I can't fathom, they are so dated and corny you can actually see the rust. It takes all sorts I suppose. Some people are even Dr. Who fans.

mjcrawford
07-22-2006, 01:05 PM
I still like TNG, but how anyone can still watch those old orignal episodes (whch I once loved a a small boy) I can't fathom, they are so dated and corny you can actually see the rust. It takes all sorts I suppose. Some people are even Dr. Who fans.

Well oDDity, I would have to say that while yes, the shows FX were pure cheese, and yes, the writing was much more 'black and white' than what is considered good writing today, Kirk and crew was one of the last great heroes of modern times.. He did not have to be psychotic, or a killer or wear black leather to be cool.. he just was! and the show had a great balance of personalities, Kirk being the ultimate expression of manliness, Spock the intellect, and McCoy the passion. (and of course Scotty the grumpy) they dealt with issues like tolerance in a truly fun and yet relevant way.

Yes the Horta looked like a overcooked lasagna, and the doomsday machine looked like a flying ice cream cone.. But the stories were solid, exciting, fun, and (shudder) morally centered. Plus.. they were original! Star Trek was not a remake of an adaptation of a comic book, or like TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise a sad attempt at having politically correctified homogenized show with the same name in the credits so the fanboys would go see it.. not that the spin-offs were bad for their respective days, but 40 years from now Kirk will still be around and people will be saying.. “you mean there was OTHER Star Trek shows?”

the best part of the later Trek shows... Lightwave!

Sorry for being off-topic yes.. I am a geek

Digital Hermit
07-22-2006, 03:36 PM
I gotta question... has Paramount given up on the whole Star Trek franchise?

Carm3D
07-22-2006, 07:10 PM
I gotta question... has Paramount given up on the whole Star Trek franchise?

No (http://www.startrek.com). J. J. Abrams is making the next Trek movie (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117947019?categoryid=2267&cs=1) for release in 2008.

Lord Snarebotto
07-22-2006, 08:28 PM
the doomsday machine looked like a flying ice cream cone

Ice cream cone?

Actually, it probably looked a lot like the partially smoked joint that made you see ice cream cones.

:neener:

jtoney7852
07-22-2006, 08:38 PM
so does anyone know how to do anything I asked?

gerry_g
07-23-2006, 09:44 AM
I still like TNG, but how anyone can still watch those old orignal episodes (whch I once loved a a small boy) I can't fathom, they are so dated and corny you can actually see the rust. It takes all sorts I suppose. Some people are even Dr. Who fans.

I thought 'Captain James T' was the height of cool, his five year mission to boldly shag anything in a skirt highly commendable, to this day I can think of no finer reason to embark on space travel, as every other aspect of it looks singularly uninviting, the drinks are all either blue or green, all the music atonal jazz, and to top it all I've yet to catch sight of a single toilet in space ( very scary)

mattclary
07-23-2006, 06:44 PM
I still like TNG, but how anyone can still watch those old orignal episodes (whch I once loved a a small boy) I can't fathom, they are so dated and corny you can actually see the rust. It takes all sorts I suppose.

Agreed on all counts. TNG had better stories (starting around season 2 or 3) and Picard had a much more commanding presence, was definitely more believable as a Capt.

I also grew up on Star Trek and loved it at the time. I was born Sept. of 1966, a week after the initial episode aired.

Digital Hermit
07-23-2006, 09:52 PM
so does anyone know how to do anything I asked?

:hijack:

Sorry, but when you talk Star Trek you are gonna bring out a few aficionados! So, some minor hijacking will happen.

About the "moving into warp"... that maybe better done in postwork editing with Adobe After effects, or the like.

About the modeling... I know there are blueprints (out there) of what you are looking for, and using LWCAD may be a great way to make the models. But if you are looking to get most of what you want for free... good luck with that!. :D

About what is free... I think mjcrawford suggested a good starting point... but it seems that the amount of modeling, you want, may have to be done by you or for you. Plus, you have not indicated your budget, staff, technical level, the level of detail you want, and if this is a professional or armature venture.

Regards,

Digital Hermit

Avebeno
07-24-2006, 03:25 AM
Someone pointed out this link recently:

http://www.jackill.com//JackillHome/JackillHome.htm

CreepinJesus
07-26-2006, 05:12 AM
Go here: http://scifi3d.theforce.net/list.asp?intGenreID=9&intCatID=51

Piles and piles of free models. Not just Star Trek either...

DiscoBurgess
07-27-2006, 05:27 AM
The warp effect, at least for TNG-era ships, is very easy. It should look something like this:

http://www.optibrain.co.uk/optistuff/warp.avi

That's just something I made when I was tinkering with other people's models years ago, but it's a very simple process. Just stretch the object over a series of frames, and move the centre point appropriately so that the "back" of the ship appears to be stationary while the ship "leaps" forward.

I always wondered how they achieved that effect using model photography, I assumed some form of cunning 2d image manipulation. Turns out their solution was actually really ingenious.

http://www.trekplace.com/article05.html

Well, I thought so, anyway ;)

Signal to Noise
07-27-2006, 08:31 AM
After a quick "google", a couple more linkies that may be useful:

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/

http://synapse.vgfort.com/links.php

mjcrawford
07-27-2006, 09:36 AM
Ice cream cone?

Actually, it probably looked a lot like the partially smoked joint that made you see ice cream cones.

:neener:

LOL! well I never smoked one, so I did not think of that, but you may be right... after all it was the 60's!


No. J. J. Abrams is making the next Trek movie for release in 2008.


yes, this is true, and since Paramont is desprete to revitalise the franchise what are they doing? Going back to KIRK! not captian non-viloance Picard or token captians Sisko or Janeway... No I am not a racist, or sexist, but lets face it hey cast the parts to try to re-capture the deversity that only really worked in the origanal.. I must admit I liked Tuvok and Chakotie (sp?) though. The Voyager crew had a nice international flair to it, but was missing the Enterprise!

as for the warp effect, I had some good results of using endomorphs to strech the Enterprise when it takes off.. it looked cool, and if you use morphs you can make it more consistant than streaching it in layout for each warp...

To Kirk! the greatest man to ever sit in the center seat! :beerchug: KA-Plagh!