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CoMetX
05-29-2003, 10:47 PM
I'm interested in buying the Nvidia GeForce4 TI4800 for apple.ca.

The link is: http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/canadastore.woa/71303/wo/md7DVmnuXVUn2USE7hRtP7dXZEn/2.5.0.5.12.0.5.0.1?65,60

The thing is, im running a G4 Dual 500, 1 gig ram, with agp 2x (I think), And I have no clue if this card will work with my AGP slot. I have heard from numerous people that all cards are backwards compatable, is this true? I asked a local seller and they said you need 4X AGP, but then again, who knows. And if it does work, what speed/quality im I looking at with my 2X slot? Anyway.. any information that is correct, would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

-CoMetX

toby
05-30-2003, 01:07 AM
the only thing I've ever heard is that it won't work. I'm pretty sure ot won't, because everybody with LW on an older G4 would have one - I looked into it pretty thouroughly and ended up getting a GF2 card taken out of a newer Mac, found it on ebay

tallscot
05-30-2003, 10:39 AM
That is a 2X AGP computer and you need a 4X AGP Mac for a GeForce 3 and up.

The fastest video card that supports 2X AGP on the Mac is the ATI 9000. You can find them shrinkwrapped on eBay for about $150.

You might want to look at used G4s on eBay too that have 4X AGP, which I think is anything higher than the dual 500.

turbo
05-30-2003, 05:34 PM
This is me..

Dual G4 500 with 2X AGP
1024 RAM
ATI Radeon 8500 Mac Edition

For the most part things work beautifully.
EXCEPT up until Apple and ATI got out of sync with OpenGL and driver updates.

If you can find an NVidia card that supports 2X AGP I'd recommend getting it. I've heard they have better driver support..

My next G4 is gonna choose NVidia, for sure..

BTW... if you get a card that is 4X AGP and you want to use it in your 2X AGP slot it MUST say on the box that it supports 2X or it will NOT work.

CoMetX
05-30-2003, 05:41 PM
Yea, but the thign is, i would want to get the newest card out there, sence i will be upgrading my computer sooner then later. Would be nice to know if my comp will run the card or not.. I have heard so many different things from everyone, gets kind of confusing ;) Thanks for any help.

turbo
05-30-2003, 05:42 PM
it will only work if it says on the box .. eg, my ATI supports both.. not many do.

CoMetX
05-30-2003, 06:05 PM
Thats what i hate about mac's. You need to buy a whole new computer just to benifit from a simple new AGP card slot. When will they catch on that there is a open market for user upgradable mac's in our community.. Forking $3500 Canadian for a new mac is unaffordable.. Owe well..

turbo
05-30-2003, 06:14 PM
mmm... not really.. my mac's last me about 3-5 years each. Technology moves too fast so you really have to be prepared to spend the cash to keep up. I get the best out at the time that I can manage.. There's lotsa room in it for upgrading. I'm about 3or more years into this one.. and almost ready for the next. Maybe even this year. :D

.. I wouldn't trade my macs for anything. They have all run smooth as silk. :D

If I had known about AGP ports.. ah well... next time.. :P

tallscot
05-30-2003, 07:44 PM
Well, I use to think it was a tradeoff - not being able to swap out the mobo meant that everything "just worked". But it seems that even though there is only Apple's mobo on the Mac, Mac users still have problems getting their ATI video cards to work correctly.

Sigh.

mwh710
06-01-2003, 08:12 AM
Just so I understand correctly. I have a Dual 450 G4, 1.5 GB RAM. The NVidia GeForce2MX400 w 64 MB is the fastest & best for my machine?

turbo
06-01-2003, 09:38 AM
it may be when it comes to lightwave.. although the ati was fine up until the latest mac os upgrade...

mwh710
06-01-2003, 10:05 AM
Are you sure the DP 450 & 500 are 2X AGP, OWC has them listed as Gigabit ethernet & 4X AGP. How can I confirm this?

mwh710
06-01-2003, 10:20 AM
Confirmed they are 2X AGP - crap!

turbo
06-01-2003, 11:36 AM
yes 2X ... that is what i have dual g4 500

claw
06-01-2003, 01:34 PM
Hello,

I have a friend that has a geforce4 card in his 450mhz Sawtooth, and it woks well. Even if it's a AGP 2x bus.

I have a Radeon 8500 in my G4 450. And, its faster than my old rage 128. But only in higher resolutions and with larger textures. If you're looking for moving more polygons faster, then buy a new computer.