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Tom Wood
05-27-2003, 05:02 PM
I didn't write any of what follows below, but I thought it was fun to read.

Here is the scene where the Architect speaks to Neo:

The Architect - Hello, Neo.

Neo - Who are you?

The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant.

Neo - Why am I here?

The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus
not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here.

Neo - You haven't answered my question.

The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Others? What others? How many? Answer me!"*

The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version.

*Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull****."*

Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows.

The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.

*Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "You can't control me! F*ck you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!*

Neo - Choice. The problem is choice.

The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.

(Note: This implies that The Architect is not a human being but a machine intelligence, struggling to understand the imperfections of the human mind. The Oracle was an intuitive program created to investigate aspects of the human psyche.)

Neo - The Oracle.

The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would
constitute an escalating probability of disaster.

Neo - This is about Zion.

The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo - Bull****.

*The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: "Bull****!"*

The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

*Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.*

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately
result in the extinction of the entire human race.

(Note: implies that Zion can be "rebuilt."

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

*The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors*

The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love.

(Note: Neo was the first one to fall in love, but the first five all were manipulated "to create an attachment to the rest of your species" before being allowed to choose a door.)

*Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors*

Neo - Trinity.

The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own.

Neo - No!

The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the
problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: She is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it.

*Neo walks to the door on his left*

The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness.

Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.

The Architect - We won't.
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Here's a different take on the movie, written by someone with computer savvy:


Why do you think that movies must be about people?

The Matrix is actually about software and mainframe code.

The main computer has been caught in a loop cycle for 5 iterations.

The main computer is trying to find a variance that will break this cycle by utilizing a random bit anomaly piece of software (Neo), to allow it to fully complete its original task.

It is trying to factor in all variables of its program to make absolute sure of complete success before it attempts to actually implement the complete procedure, like an good piece of software (debugging itself - "it is the why that is important").

In this cycle, a new factor has appeared: an anomaly of two programs intersecting and one becoming a self-replicating virus bent on absolute destruction (Smith), and the anomoly (Neo) complementing his program with protectorate software.

(Generally, once a program gets caught in a loop, it will never get out of it.)

Try to visualise this as a computer SuperNoc running through a simulation with all possible factors being worked first, before it initializes the program for real.

If Neo completes his role and meets his ultimate purpose as software, then our hero allows the computer to see all variances that it will need to contend with, so that it can fully implement the real program on our world.

Matrix - main base operating system.

Zion - secondary operating system for software that can no longer can function in main system - but can be utilized to build new a matrix system.

Neo - Random bit anomaly software for breaking loop cycle utilized by the Oracle and Architect software to be a random variable to upgrade itself upgraded with protectorate code from.... Smith (Anti-Virus).

Trinity - complement software to aid in Neo's completion of purpose.

Morpheus and crew - collector programs for mainframe to try to enable the end of the loop cycle.

Architect - Mainframe operating system.

Oracle - old Macro Software that has been part of all 5 iterations of the loop and can see all variances.

Oracle's Protector, Seraph - Mainframe hard code software.

Merovingian - old Neo that did not fully implement objective in beta 5.0.

Merovingian's wife - Old Trinity code.

Twins, and Merovingian's guards - old base black ice protector code.

Head Counselor in Zion - Advisor for Mainframe that advises Neo along his upgrade to not touch the main bios (engineering) systems.

Key Maker - come on now, too easy, a simple keygen.

Smith - self-replicating virus - now capable of moving to either system infused with anomaly code from Neo.

electroNIX
05-27-2003, 05:49 PM
well, i just saw the movie tonight and you could feel, when the architect was talking to neo, the audience couldnt follow...

:D

NOW, with the second explanation... this scene actually makes SENSE...

THX!

jin choung
05-28-2003, 03:03 AM
that's an interesting take.

but i think that even the standard interpretation - that the messiah is a false concept that was devised by the architect in order to cope with inevitable human rebellion - and that the very mission of this false messiah (of saving humanity) is indeed the architect's very plan from the gitgo.... that's freakin' AWESOME!

especially in light of the first movie which played as a very by the numbers christ analogy without a hint of irony - now, in the sequel to do an about face to comment on such messiah stories!

man, that's a one spicy meat ball!

musta disappointed a lot of sunday schools though... there was rampant talks all over the web about the christian symbolism in the matrix and now it turns out that the trilogy may end up being a post religion critique.

it was ballsy to do religious metaphors. now it's ballsy to turn it on its head.

that's why they need two directors. two balls ain't enough. they needed all four nuts to get that kinda gumption....

jin

meshmaster
05-28-2003, 07:54 AM
the messiah thing is still there I think after seeing reloaded....

Neo=New=Christ
Morpheus=John the Baptist type
Trinity=Holy Spirit...
Zion=Heaven
Matrix=Earth
Trinity's resuruction is like the resuructions done by Christ...

the thing is it's more of a combination of several myths into one...

you could look at the Matrix in a sort of Zen type way - with the cycles of life, and the whole life is really nothing more than an illusion type thing.

Any way you look at it, the Matrix is far better than some of it's predecessors like Lawnmower Man and Tron that tried to pull out some of the same type of metaphors.

My only question is - HOW IN THE HECK DOES MORPHEUS KEEP THOSE GLASSES ON?!?!?

Hiraghm
05-28-2003, 10:03 AM
Haven't seen the sequel yet, but after reading this thread, I have this strong feeling that the 3rd movie will end at a Sony Online Entertainment test facility with two guys looking at a computer monitor and one guy saying to another, "Okay, the PC version looks ready to ship, how soon can you have the PS/2 version ready?"

Rei
05-28-2003, 11:36 AM
I like that, but I hope it doesnt spark off other people trying to fit 'real world' things into the matrix...

Hiraghm - yes, but so long as it was designed for the PC, and is not a crappy port from the PS... Thats it, the matrix is a port from another peice of hardware, and hence doesnt work.

Bionic Antboy
05-28-2003, 06:26 PM
After seeing the movie, I pretty much interpreted it the same way as the "computer savvy" take. I say pretty much because I didn't take the application to each individual in the movie.

One thing I also disagree with is the lack of human factor. I'm not sure which way they'll take the third installment, but I imagine that there will be SOME human factor.

I completely agree with labeling the Merovingian and Persephone as previous iterations of the Neo flaw. Especially in light of what their names refer to in our world. The Merovingian rulers present an interesting history, and naming a character that in the context of the Matrix really loads it with potential. Of course, it could just be that he was called the Merovingian because he guarded "the grail", in this case the "Key Maker" character, but with the the way it appears the Wachowski brothers work, I'm sure it's more than that.

For those interested, I suggest that they google "Merovingian" and read up about them. There's a lot of mythological theories behind them, and it's surprising how much of that applies to the Matrix movies.

If the Merovingian is the last iteration of "the flaw", what became of the earlier ones? Are we going to see those as well?

Another (probably HUGE) factor that (probaby) hasn't occurred in previous iterations of "the flaw" is the Agent Smith virus, especially it being transfered into a "real" person. This is, of course, assuming that Zion is real, and not just a "Recycle Bin" directory of the overall Matrix OS, as it very well could be. It could be a fantasy land created by the Matrix OS to keep people's minds active (if, in fact there ARE aliens using humans for energy, and active minds are required to make them as energy efficient as possible).

They've built a great little world unto itself, and the second installment was great, in my opinion, many for the reasons that many others didn't like it as much (too much talking). A lot of smoke and mirrors swirling around a house of cards.

I hope that it doesn't doesn't completely collapse in the third, but I severely doubt it.

The Wachowski brothers are geeks of the highest order, in all the good ways :) I'd love to have a few pints and shoot the breeze with them.

Doug Nicola
05-28-2003, 09:06 PM
"Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness."

This line wouldn't be in there if this movie wasn't about AI studying humans. The humans are in there, somewhere, the question now is where, exactly? And how do the humans ever get to convince the machines that the game is up? It's clear that the AI doesn't fully understand the human mind, and that the AI is trying to provoke the humans into doing unpredictable things: "She is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it."

They know very well that eventually Neo will say, in effect, "Oh yeah, to hell with you! Just watch me!"

That's exactly what they want to do, watch and learn.

Thanks a lot for the transcript!

I totally agree, the Wachowskis are some ballsy geeks!

meshmaster
05-30-2003, 10:30 AM
Maybe part 4 will be about all the people that are using the matrix defense in court...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/21/ctv.matrix.insanity/index.html

and about all the actor that is suing

http://www.videoeta.com/news/1445

lone
06-01-2003, 07:01 AM
hey, thanks for posting this. i'd forgotten most of it before i left the theatre.

Verlon
06-04-2003, 03:57 AM
I think the machines lost the original war. I believe the matrix is 2 layers deep.

The humans won the war and made a "Matrix" for the machines is which they THOUGHT the machines won the war, but have to keep messing with these pesky humans in some kind of unsolvable problem...which keeps them too busy to look around and realize that the world is an illusion that has been pulled over their.....visual sensory receptors.

It would explain how Neo was able to use "the one" powers on the Squiddies in the real world....and how the Squiddies knew not to kill Bane (possessed by Smith).

Rory_L
06-04-2003, 08:45 PM
I watched Reloaded the other day and enjoyed it...up to a point. The trouble I have with the Matrix films is that all the characters act soooo cool that I can`t see the difference between the humans and the machines, which leaves me not really caring what happens to any of them.

Burn me at the stake if you must, but I`ve always felt that, despite its lack of SFX quality, Dark City was by far the better film.

OK: flame on! :D

R

meshmaster
06-06-2003, 10:19 AM
Possible Bullet Time Solution http://vbulletin.newtek.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5426

marble_sheep
06-09-2003, 02:14 PM
Rory-- Yeah! I loved Dark City, but it hardly got any recognition. Sure, the effects in the Matrix rock, and it's definitely a more techno-saavy story, but it's not like the premise was anything new. And plus... Jennifer Connelly is way hotter than Carrie-Anne Moss. Haha, because that's all that really matters, right? Just kidding.

As far as all this conjecture, I guess we won't know until the third Matrix comes out. There are so many directions it could go... I left the theater feeling like nothing had been resolved... only more questions raised. The next one sure has a lot of explaining to do. I hope they don't punk out and make the "real" world (Zion) another part of the matrix... because then you have to ask... just how deep does it go? How many do they have to escape before they actually reach the REAL real world? Ah... I see... endless sequel franchise opportunities!

Intuition
06-19-2003, 02:50 PM
Now alot of peeps I heard from said they didn't like the ANimatrix.

But I think it was way cool.

It is worth it just for the second reneissance parts 1 and 2.

After watching it I felt that the machines are really trying to figure out how humans work outside the choices givin to them.

Think of it this way.

The architect tells Neo about how the earlier matrix's were failures.

The machines can only emulate what they have seen.

They can only choose parameters that where givin to them in the first place.

Now the Architect said something like" as long as they were presented with choice the mind was happy enough to keep from waking up" in essence.

But IMO what the machines don't get is how humans can come up with choices that are not presented to them.

The machines, even though they can randomize choices, are still choosing between preprogrammed parameters from which they got from us.

Neo says to the Architect "the problem is choice"

Previous to this the Architect Says. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations

Emphasis on "fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations"

As the architect stated before "99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level."

SO I think the machines are trying to figure out

1. How humans can come up with choices not pre disposed to them (hence helping the machines break a cycle they are stuck in)

I.E. Not so much as take door 1 or 2 but make door 3 when it wasnt even an option. Hence Neo leaving, surviving the explosion and Saving trinity. This is the same premise of which believing becomes knowing. The machines are not creative they are emulative and reactive.

2.How Humans can come up with thiese choices through thier emotional parameters.

Ok any thoughts?