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Lew
05-15-2006, 12:56 PM
It's new camera time, and I seem to see the JVC GY-HD100U in just about every magazine I pick up.
Looking for some real world experience, I suspect some of you guys (and gals) have bought the camera.
I'm interested in overall impressions such as:
Quality of the picture? How are your getting the output into VT? How do you plan to get it in after VT5 is available.

How easy use? Control layout, menu system, and so on.

What batteries are you using, the JVC pack or Anton Bauer's?

Glad you bought it, or wish you had something else?

Thanks for time to to answer, don't get the money for a new camera often, so I can't affort to make a mistake.
Lew:I_Love_Ne

MBeck
05-15-2006, 01:25 PM
I am about to buy this camera. I was sold on the panisonic but we went to NAB and ended up opting for the JVC. there are two models to look at also. the GY-HD200U and the GY-HD250U. You will have to look into the prices and new features to decide what is best for you. I am still not sure if we will get the 100 or the 200.

chuckd
05-15-2006, 01:28 PM
It's new camera time, and I seem to see the JVC GY-HD100U in just about every magazine I pick up.

Thanks for time to to answer, don't get the money for a new camera often, so I can't affort to make a mistake.
Lew:I_Love_Ne

I've only been able to play with the camera at NAB but the one thing about it that bothers me is that, in *every* example of footage I've seen with it the highlights are blown out too much for my taste.

If you don't want to make a mistake with a camera then you had better get some hands on time with it before you buy. I would see if the dealer you normally buy from will let you take it out for a test spin under your nomral shooting conditions to see how well you like it.

ted
05-15-2006, 01:55 PM
Lew, As chuck said, get your hands on what you want to buy first. Use a dealer that will let you use it for a while. My dealer let me have the HVX200 for a full week before I bought a newly boxed one.

I sat through the JVC demo and my recomendation would be to wait for the 200 or 250. But like everythng, (and you need to mention it here), it all depends on what you want to use it for.

My reason for going with the HVX wasn't for any ONE reason other then the fact that I could take most any job that came in from mini-DV to DVCPro 100. Film looks, frame rates all the buzz words that different clients "think" they need, this camera can do it.

Being the Swiss Army Knife of the camera world, I was willing to change from VT to FCP if that's what it took to utilize the flexability and versatility of the HVX 200. :eek:

Do your homework and be happy with what you get. All these cameras will work, it just depends on your priorities. I'm impressed with all of them for different reasons.
I wish you luck.

kleima
05-15-2006, 04:35 PM
I just got one about six weeks ago. The pictures it takes are incredible! Gorgeous. I love the focus assist, and the peaking and the color (switchable to B&W) viewfinder, plus the side lcd. It fills in all the gaps or short comings of the GY-DV500 which is what I upgraded from. Plus it is high def! It is slightly smaller and lighter (not much, though). It has a record button up on top of the handle also (where your thumb goes) which I really like. It makes nice pictures in low light, but it does require more light than the DV500 did.
I use the Anton Bauer batteries with it. They provide over an hour and a half of record time versus just a half hour with the batteries that are included. Only two things missing for some reason they don't include shoulder strap, and for some reason there is not acces. screw hole on the top for me to mount my on camera Anton Bauer light. The DV-500 had one. I'm sure there is an adapter to put it on the slide on shoe (whatever you call it) which is present.
The camera is one incredible piece of equipment, though! I don't think you would be sorry.
I currently capture with Cineform's HD Connect and the VT automatically scales the AVI files to SD size (it doesn't downconvert, it just resizes, so you can still pan and scan). When VT[5] comes out I will ditch HD Connect and use VT's capture.

cholo
05-15-2006, 07:33 PM
Try the XL-H1, you won't regret it. We just got one and it's the best camera I've ever owned.

ScorpioProd
05-15-2006, 07:58 PM
Don't forget to also compare Sony's XDCAM HD offerings.

Lew
05-16-2006, 05:59 AM
Thanks everyone, very valuable information. Getting some hands on time with various cameras is a great idea but my location and situation make this very difficult. I will, however, travel and at least spend a few hours with my final choice befor purchase.

I currently am shooting in DVCPRO 25, and I'm really looking both to replace an aging Panasonic AJ-D210 and to provide a way to ease into the HD business as inexpensively as possible. One advantage I see is being able to use my DVCPRO source deck to feed the VT as long as I stay SD. Guess I would have to use the camera as the source for HD, but I sure can't afford a HD edit deck at this point.

Thanks for the other camera suggestions, isn't it great to have so many good ones to choose from?

BobF
05-16-2006, 10:10 AM
Lew-
If you were going to be doing multi-camera live switch work it would be a choice between the Canon XL H1 and the JVC HD250, since both have genlock in features and CCUs to give you maximum camera control. I was hoping that Canon would bring out a new wider angle non-LANC control lens at NAB, but that didn't happen. On the other hand the JVC will have five different industrial and broadcast lenses to choose from in a couple of months, one of which will be remote controllable. I've been doing some research and to my knowlege no one on the West Coast is using the the H1 in a studio config even though it has the "Console" control option. And cobbling together a camera cable for a couple of H1s would be prototypical and problematic when compared to the 26 pin camera cable connector on the housing the HD250 will slide into.
But it sounds like you're only looking for one camera. In that case I'd have to agree with Cholo, the H1 has got a slight edge in image quality over the HD250 (if it's no better than the HD100) and is cheaper, since the 250 comes without a lens. Still the 250 has imbedded audio on the HD-SDI out (the H1 doesn't), it has 60p versus 1080i (some say that's an advantage), it's more easily convertible to a studio configuration, and those five Fujinon 1/3" lenses point me in the direction of the JVC.

Lew
05-16-2006, 10:47 AM
Lew-
But it sounds like you're only looking for one camera.
and those five Fujinon 1/3" lenses point me in the direction of the JVC.

I agree with your reasoning. I'm a single person shop, so if I do two cameras, one is set up as a static shot, and I time them in post. Obviously I don't do live switching.

The flexability of the new lenses, and the availability of the dual tape and hard disk recorder are causing me to lean to the JVC. Looking as comparison specs on the quality of the cameras, there is little or no difference. They all have strengths and weaknesses. Otherwise, it seems which picture you like best is a matter of taste.

Darcy OBree
05-17-2006, 04:40 AM
We've got four of these for student use and we've found a design flaw in the main viewfinder (not the flip-out) that causes them to break under light pressure. We've had to send all four viewfinders back for multiple repairs but JVC is refusing to admit it's a design flaw.

Now this might not be a problem if you're gentle with your kit but for a rough and tumble multi-user environment they're just not solid enough. Which is a pity because they're great in every other way.

Lew
05-17-2006, 08:26 AM
Thanks for the heads up Darcy. Since I'm almost always the one using the camera, and I'm till using one I bought in 1991, that is not a great concern for me - but certaily something to be carefull about.

JReble
05-17-2006, 11:24 AM
I wasn't going to hop in on this topic because I didn't want to drop any unfriendly remarks, but I'll just say this so I don't feel guilty for saying nothing...

Been a Broadcast Engineer for over 12 years. Had many, many different camera systems, VTRs, and assorted broadcast and consumer components in my systems over the years. I can say without question through many, many personal examples and those of several others, that one major Japanese manufacturer has consistently had serious problems with quality control issues and numerous manufacturing defects. This was far beyond anything experienced with alternative manufacturers. At the same time, there was a long term consistent lack of acknowledgement of known issues and defects or any proactive technical and customer support. I'm not bashing anyone or anything, just relaying a well ingrained lesson I have learned all too well in the hopes that it may spare at least one other the pain of learning the same lessons. I leave it to the readers imagination to determine of whom I speak. :bangwall:

ScorpioProd
05-17-2006, 12:02 PM
Do you perhaps mean JVC's reputation of having cheap capacitor problems, such as I and many others I know experiences with our X2 camcorders over the years?

Bobt
05-17-2006, 12:24 PM
Someone help make up my mind for me :)
Nothing seems to be ideal.

Bob

Bobt
05-17-2006, 12:25 PM
PS.. Cannon handed out DVD's at the show so I stuck some into my
latop. It said Avid click here. FCP click here. DOH!
Now what? Cant see anything on that one.

Bob

Bobt
05-17-2006, 12:28 PM
Maybe this will help.

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-XL-H1-Sony-HDR-FX1-and-Panasonic-AG-HVX200-compared.htm

ScorpioProd
05-17-2006, 03:16 PM
Well, sadly, for my use, it's simply all 1/3" suck for low light. :thumbsdow

Darcy OBree
05-18-2006, 02:41 AM
Oh yeah, one other thing about the HD100. No good in low light or any hi gain setting. To keep power consumption and heat down the CCDs are processed in two halves with the images being recombined electronically. Not normally visible but in high gain settings you can sometimes see a split screen effect with gamma level differences between the two.

BobF
05-18-2006, 10:42 AM
Why not hop over to the JVC HD100 forum http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=98 and read what owners are saying about the camera. Owners tend to be brutally honest.
If you plan on shooting a lot of mono-colored walls at 18db gain you might notice what they call the split screen effect (SSE), but the latest model of the camera, the HD100A, has pretty much eliminated even that. The HD200/250 will be the third version of the HD100, but with a lot more features and, hopefully, even more improvements. Still, it probably doesn't pay to be the first-one-on-the-block with any new piece of gear, so I'd wait for the early adopters to give you feed back.
My situation is that I'm looking for multiple cameras in complete studio configurations (including 80 gig drives for iso) for as cheap as possible. I was hoping the Canon H1 with its genlock in and "Console" laptop CCU might be the "convertible" I was looking for, because I really do like its image. But my experience with Canon reps demo'ing the H1 (on two different occassions) left me with the impression that they either didn't know or didn't care to answer questions about the camera in a studio config. My local Canon sales rep, R.E Snader Assoc., couldn't get any info either. So, not wanting to be the beta tester for the H1 studio version, I've ruled that camera out.
If the HD250 does get good reviews, I hope to get the full blown studio version for somewhere in the high teens. If anyone's got a better suggestion, I'm all ears.

cholo
05-18-2006, 01:52 PM
I'll say this one more time. The Canon is a great camera. The price might seem a bit steep, and the servo lens should have been fully manual. However, the images that come out of it speak for themselves. It exceeded my expectations. The image stabilization is world's above and beyond anything in Panasonic's lineup. The colors and gamma can be tweaked to suit any taste. The lens desn't breathe when changing focus and it reaches out a lot. Had it been fully manual it would be the closest to the perfect lens I have ever seen.

Lew
05-19-2006, 07:32 AM
Why not hop over to the JVC HD100 forum http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=98 and read what owners are saying about the camera. Owners tend to be brutally honest.
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Thanks for that suggestion Bob, it's very helpful.

I got over to see the HD100U at a dealer yesterday. I'm impressed with the picture quality. The camera was not the "A" upgrade, but still looked very good. Love the focus assists. Took pictures in very low light at 18db gain and the noise was very acceptable for my purposes, less than on my older Panasonic DVC PRO.

I will try to go somewhere to look at the Panasonic and Canon cameras, but for the price, I think the JVC is a winner. Most of it's disadvantages don't apply to my circumstances and the output is excellent.

Thanks everyone for good ideas and suggestions. As always, the NewTek forums are most helpful around.

Lew