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Beamtracer
05-25-2003, 09:47 PM
What many people assume to be "Hollywood" movies apparently are not.

I was thinking about recent big-budget movies and how many of them were shot in Hollywood, and the fx work done in Hollywood.

I list the following movies from memory, so you may want to correct me on this.

Spiderman
Shot in Hollywood, most fx work done in US.

Mission Impossible
Mostly shot in Australia, fx work done in Australia

Lord of the Rings (trilogy)
Shot in New Zealand. All fx work done in Wellington NZ.

Matrix (trilogy)
All studio and city shots done in Sydney. Most of the fx work done in Sydney.
Mostly financed by Village Roadshow (Australian company) and distributed by Warner Bros (US).

Ghost Ship
Shot in the City of Gold Coast, Australia. All fx work done in Australia.


Is this my imagination. Are lots of the really big-budget movies getting done outside the US? Is Hollywood on its way to becoming a ghost town? What do you think?

Beamtracer
05-25-2003, 09:52 PM
I can add to this list

Stuart Little

The Mummy

Most shooting and fx done in US.

Star Wars

Early episodes shot at Pinewood Studios, England, newer episodes shot in Australia, fx done in US.


Moulin Rouge

Dark City
Shot in Australia, fx done in Australia

DigiLusionist
05-26-2003, 12:07 AM
Beam, that trend's been occurring for a while now. It's too expensive to produce movies there because of "creative accounting," unions for everyone including the coffee gophers, and overpaid performers.

And, if digital cinema takes hold, Hollywood will eventually be nothing more than a tourist attraction area, because movie makers won't be reliant working there, since they won't be using FILM.

Hollywood was built up around businesses that made the film, developed the film, edited the film, stored it, etc. Digirati don't have to have a centralized place to produce movies if they're created on PCs and Macs with digital HD video cameras, and utilize broadband Internet connections...

CTRL+X
05-26-2003, 02:29 AM
Hollywood has been an Icon for some time, now it is just that, nothing more, just a symbol of better days.

Beamtracer
05-26-2003, 03:32 PM
I don't know, but I thought there also used to be more big budget productions shot in England than there is now. Maybe Canada also. It seems to be a current craze to shoot everything Down Under.

American crew are often locked out of working on some of these productions.


Originally posted by DigiLusionist
And, if digital cinema takes hold, Hollywood will eventually be nothing more than a tourist attraction area, because movie makers won't be reliant working there, since they won't be using FILM.

Well, the latest Star Wars was shot on HD video, and I thought the quality was very inferior, at least when it was printed back onto film for display.

The other examples (above) were still film, such as Matrix Reloaded. It seems the exodus will happen anyway, hastened by HD video.


Originally posted by DigiLusionist
Hollywood was built up around businesses that made the film, developed the film, edited the film, stored it, etc. Digirati don't have to have a centralized place to produce movies

Interesting point. The whole infrastructure has dispersed.

I think this will affect actors too. Star Wars and Matrix seem to have a few big-name lead actors, and the rest come from the place where the movie was shot. It must be easier to hire extras in the location of the shoot, than pay to fly American extras to the other side of the planet.

electroNIX
05-26-2003, 05:17 PM
Jimmy Neutron, the boy genius...

also not from Hollywood...

BTW:
I just found this interesting product "Magic Bullet Studio" which is a AfterEffects plugin to make DV into Film... link (http://shop.store.yahoo.com/redgiantsoftware/magbulsuit.html)
The reviews seem all to be positive...

Beamtracer
05-26-2003, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by Archiea
What you guys are decribing is run away productions. What has also contributed to this are the incentives given by foreign govt to US prosuders to make their films there. Currently in legislation are proposed "tariffs" that would be charged to US producers making films overseas. This would level the playing field....


I think the United States would lose out if it put a tarrif on all movies made abroad. Then the other countries would slap a tarrif on US made films.

Also, it would become difficult to define a US film from a foreign film. Is Matrix Reloaded a US film or a foreign film?

harhar
05-26-2003, 08:01 PM
I think Matrix is mostly financed by Warner Bros.

Beamtracer
05-26-2003, 10:01 PM
I read somewhere that Village pumped about 400 million dollars into Matrix Reloaded. The film opens with their logo, converted to a green Matrix style.

Hervé
05-27-2003, 01:45 AM
Well, according to my friend Sal who lives right in there (Lanewood ave., parralel to Hollywood Blvd and Sunset), it su....ks more and more every year... he's planning to move to Europe.... (I know it is not better, but at least not so crowded..)

He said most of films you see shooting in the streets today are Low_B_movies....

and many politics have now realized the power of cinema shooting in their respective countries.....

Just look Luxembourg, pretty soon we'll become HollyLux.....

Cheers

Today cinema is not a simple story,(ala Ed Wood) most films are banker's movies, and like Clint Eastwood just said on TV interview for his last movie, "... today if you movie is not a cartoon or a video game adaptation, it is very hard to find money....

Hervé
05-27-2003, 01:46 AM
why am I saying all that...?

Hervé
05-27-2003, 02:17 AM
Take a look at this, it's a beginning....

http://www.filmfund.lu/filmfund.lu/

Matt
05-27-2003, 02:32 AM
so Australia is the new Hollywood!

Fausto
05-27-2003, 03:10 AM
Legislation for tarifs? hmmmmm from a protectionist government that sounds about right. Free trade works as long as it works in favour of the Americans, and they'll change the rules if it doesn't.

We've had our fill of american rhetoric in this country as well...

Hervé
05-27-2003, 03:36 AM
I have to admit, I'd love to go to Australia for some vacations....

Hervé
05-27-2003, 03:41 AM
they even have huge tax breaks for people shooting in Luxembourg, in other words, you'll pay NO TAXes on all the money you'll spend in the land.... he he...

.... for those intersted, scroll down the page and take a copy of the special law ....

http://www.filmfund.lu/filmfund.lu/cu/iandg/index.php

Beamtracer
05-27-2003, 10:46 PM
I've noticed that film producers like to work in warm places with nice beaches.

Next time you're watching a big budget fx movie, stay through the credits, see where it was made, then ask yourself: does that place have a warm climate with nice beaches?

In the days of traditional cell animation, a lot of that was done overseas (in a "first world" English speaking country), then the individual painting of cells was done in a third world country where labor was cheap. Hanna Babera cartoons used to be done this way.

Pixar, Dreamworks and DNA Productions represent a move back to the US for animation.

Mattoo
05-28-2003, 12:44 PM
If you're a citizen of the world why should you care where these films are made? :p

Besides, these films might be made in other countries but all the money and profits go back to the US..... or atleast the studios that finance them that is.

Also, just to be pedantic (because I can), the first 3 Star Wars films were mostly shot at Elstree Studios, not Pinewood. The Phantom Menace was shot at Leavesden Studios (not too far away from Elstree, where they're filming the Harry Potter films).

Oh and I'm pretty sure the post fx for the Matrix movies were mostly done in the US if that helps ease your pain. :D

Ibanezhead
05-28-2003, 02:28 PM
Also, the highway chase in the Matrix:Reloaded was done just outside of Oakland in Alemeda, I think... They even built a special highway for the movie...

So Hollywood is going down under, what about Gaming? Are SF, Dallas, LA, and Seattle, going to continue to be the hotspots, or is that going to change too?

Vic

Beamtracer
05-28-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by Mattoo
Oh and I'm pretty sure the post fx for the Matrix movies were mostly done in the US if that helps ease your pain. :D
No pain, just an observation!

As far as I know, there were 3 post production companies creating the fx for Matrix Reloaded:

Animal Logic
Location: Sydney, Australia
http://www.animallogic.com/

MVFX
Location: Los Angeles, USA
http://www.mvfx.com/

D-Film
Location: Sydney, Australia
(Can't find their website)

Only the freeway scene was shot in the US. To quote Metro Active magazine:
a car chase shot at the old Alameda Navy Base, where a mile-long Autopia version of Highway 101 was built, complete with sound walls and Redwood City exit signs.
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/05.15.03/matrix-0320.html

Sounds cool. The city skyscraper scenes were shot in Sydney, and studio shots were at Fox Studios Australia.
Fox Studios Australia website:
http://www.foxstudiosaustralia.com/professional/

I'm not worried if movies are shot in different places around the world. I'm just interested to know where the action is, and where the industry is headed.

Mattoo
05-28-2003, 05:49 PM
Pedantic mode's on again. Sorry.

Manex doesn't exist anymore and you'll find the bulk of the fx shots were done in the US, atleast according to a good few reads of late. Mostly ESC, but also Sony, Tippet and Giant Killer Robots - all US based. It appears a few other studios were used from around the world..... but I'll stop myself there because I'm just reitterating what's written here anyway:

http://millimeter.com/ar/video_making_mega_matrix/index.htm

Personally, from my point of view I think it'll be a much healthier and vibrant industry if it all weren't based in one small town.

Mattoo
05-28-2003, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Beamtracer
I've noticed that film producers like to work in warm places with nice beaches.

Next time you're watching a big budget fx movie, stay through the credits, see where it was made, then ask yourself: does that place have a warm climate with nice beaches?

In the days of traditional cell animation, a lot of that was done overseas (in a "first world" English speaking country), then the individual painting of cells was done in a third world country where labor was cheap. Hanna Babera cartoons used to be done this way.

Pixar, Dreamworks and DNA Productions represent a move back to the US for animation.

I just turned off pedantic mode and actually read some of the posts.
You make an interesting point. Personally I think the film producers go where they can get a good deal. You have a lot of recent moderate to big budget films also being shot in Eastern Europe - Blade II comes to mind. That's probably cheaper than it was to shoot in Australia, but many choose still choose Australia to shoot because of the facilities and comfort as well as the agreeable price. So it's not entirely down to money, I think if the location can prove they have the facilities - Hollywood would move anywhere.

Also you say Pixar etc. represent a move back to US..... fI don't think there was ever a move away, that kind of big budget animation has allways been done in the US. You'll find that your example of using cheaper countries to produce TV quality stuff is still true, even in CG. It's gonna get worse too, the more affordable CG software and more importantly the more qualified the people in these countries get, the more it'll happen.
In all honesty I'll be surprised if places that currently specialise in this kind of thing such as Mainframe (Reboot, Beast Wars etc...) will be able to survive solely on this work in the future because of the competition from abroad.

meshmaster
05-30-2003, 08:26 AM
Seattle has a wifi community where everyone and their goat share a wifi connection. With that many people online on high speed for free, and that many microsoft ex-employees around, it's likely that game makers and players will never leave that area, at least not for a few years...

Mattoo
05-30-2003, 01:48 PM
Yeah, they're about to set up a wifi thing in and around Soho in London - the place is already crowded as it is.
It really doesn't need more people cramming into this small area to get these benefits, surely they should be encouraging high profile business and media companied in particular into other areas rather than broadening the gap between rich and poor in this way......

Can you tell I'm not a "big city" type of guy? :rolleyes:

Beamtracer
06-02-2003, 03:31 PM
Such a lot of big budget fx movies have migrated overseas, leaving Hollywood as the place where pornos are the main production.

Hervé
06-02-2003, 11:27 PM
This is so true, Beam... why, coz many "Starlettes" (frenchword for " Ready for all Bimbos" ) are coming from all over the world, and (but) fast they discover the hard(core) reality.... same is also true for young directors and old freaks that are still trying to break in the regular film industry... Hollywood is just full of freaks today...

My oldfriend Sal is shooting some of these pornos.... he tried hard to work in the regular film stuff for so long, (last stuff he worked on was the parody series ThumbTanics, ThumbWar, he had build all the sets) but little by little moved to that now industry for economic reasons .....

So ?! ..... Somebody has to do it..! he he

Cheers

I did once a logo anim for a porno Co. called Anabolic... he he... ( at least I was paid)