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ponder_it
05-19-2003, 10:34 PM
Switching from Mac to PC and would like some advice on what to get, that works best with my Lightwave 7.5c and Combustion 2.1 programs. The computer will be only alloted for the two programs. Advice on AMD and NVIDIA Quattro 4's would be nice, kinda leaning tward that direction. Just not sure on what to do here. Trying to build a decent workststion, what seems to work for everybody out there? Some suggestions for mid-to-higher end hardware would be nice.

Thanks for the time,
Ponder_it

GakiYarou
05-19-2003, 11:26 PM
funny- i was just about to post the same exact pole pretty much-- im lookin to build a new system JUST for lightwave relatad things-- im lookin to spend around 2000 and the only two things i know i want for sure are 120gigs of HD space and a dvd writer.... so if anyone out there in forum land can help myself and ponder_it that would be great (oh ya, i dont plan on buying a monitor, printer, or anything else that i dont need--even keyboard and mouse are optional-- JUST THE BARE ESSENTIALS!!) hehe

-thanks

garg
05-20-2003, 09:38 AM
I'm not an Intel reseller but, Intel P4 are realy a lot faster than AMD XP (when doing LW renders).

Look at the bottom of the page:
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20030513/athlon_xp-18.html

Beside that Windows XP Pro or Win 2000 (depends if you also want to play on the same computer) and both Ati or NVidia cards are ok actualy.

Put also at least 512Mb of ram :-)

Alain Bertrand

Omto
05-20-2003, 01:08 PM
I just built a new system and am VERY pleased with it..

Motherboard: Asus P4G8X Deluxe
CPU: Northwod P4 2.53 ghz
Memory: Corsair 2x512MB XMS memory
Video Card: Leadtek Gforce4 ti4600
HD: Western Digital 160gig w/8meg cache
Case: Lian-Li
Running Windows XP SP1


Old system was a 1.2 AMD/512 MB and the new system is easy 3X faster with renders ( and everything else for that matter )

all bought from www.newegg.com

GakiYarou
05-20-2003, 03:52 PM
umm could you possibly list like render times and LW performance stats please, thank you--- btw how much was it?

GakiYarou
05-20-2003, 04:55 PM
hell anything at this point would be better then my computer-- currently using a p3 500mhz, 128mb RAM, ati radeon 7000 lol!! render time for a medium aliased 640x480 without ray trace options takes like 6 or 7 seconds per frame lol....it sucks....

Aegis
05-20-2003, 05:01 PM
Unless you have money to burn I'd advise against buying pro-level graphics cards - both the nVidia and ATI pro GPU's are near-identical to their consumer, game-orientated cousins. My recommendations:

nVidia:
GeForce 4 Ti4200 - Cheap, good performance
GeForce 4 Ti4600 - Not so cheap - top-of-the-line for GF4
GeForce FX 5900 - New, expensive, just released - Arguably best consumer GFX card.

Pros: Good dual monitor performance, solid drivers, few (if any)
LightWave-related issues.

Cons: Not as fast (apart from the FX 5900) as the ATI cards.


ATI
Radeon 9500 Pro - Cheap(ish), excellent performance
Radeon 9700 Pro - Not so cheap - best performance (apart from the FX 5900)

Pros: Full DirectX 9 support (not required for LW though) excellent performance - current state-of-the-art GFX cards.

Cons: Limited dual monitor support, drivers not as solid as nVidia (though much improved over previous versions), some LightWave issues (see posts in the forums).


Pro-level cards (best in class) - the same nVidia/ATI Pros/cons apply:

Quadro 4 900 XGL - based on GeForce 4 chipset - high clock speed, extremely stable drivers, very reliable.

Quadro FX - Brand new workstation class GFX card - Arguably the best currently available.

Fire GL Z1 - based on Radeon 9700 pro chipset - considerably more powerful than the Quadro 4

Omto
05-20-2003, 05:47 PM
GakiYarou -

I did a test with the Radiosity_ReflectiveThings.lws

New system: 58 seconds
Old system: 173 seconds

You can check TONS of benchmarks at www.blanos.com

GakiYarou
05-20-2003, 06:18 PM
where can i dl that scene file so that i can render to compare my render time to a newer computers time?

Omto
05-20-2003, 07:58 PM
it is in the Benchmarks folder that comes with lighwave

GakiYarou
05-20-2003, 09:13 PM
oh ok--gotta dig out my install disks lol

WizCraker
05-21-2003, 12:04 AM
If you are looking at the quadro 4 then you should also consider looking at the Wildcat VP series. Wildcat VP990Pro is $839 has 512MB memory support for dual monitor DVI or Analog. Or if you are looking at same price as the Quadro 4 900xgl you could get the Wildcat VP880Pro for $499.

Also Dell will have a new workstation out, the Precision 360. It is packed full of features, P4 CPUs with 800MHz FSB support, Up to 4GB of dual channel DDR400 ECC SDRAM, It supports certified to take cards all the way up to the Wildcat 4 7110 [which if you get this card you get it for $1000 cheaper than anywhere else]. You will not be able to see it on Dell's Website but trust me it will be out within the next couple of weeks. It will be priced between the 350 and 450.

Dangerman
05-21-2003, 01:01 AM
There's a guy over on nntp: comp.graphics.apps.lightwave. His name is Jeff Kilgroe and he's always happy to answer these kind of questions. He stays on top of the hardware market as part of his job, so he knows what's what when it comes to LW hardware.

If you just go over there and browse any posts from him, you'll see what I mean ... he's a great resource to the community.

mattclary
05-21-2003, 06:42 AM
I've been considering the VP series of video cards myself. You can get the VP 970 for less than $400. Same as the 990 except it has 128mb ram. The 870 is only ~$60 cheaper, so I plan to go with the 970.

WizCraker
05-21-2003, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by mattclary
I've been considering the VP series of video cards myself. You can get the VP 970 for less than $400. Same as the 990 except it has 128mb ram. The 870 is only ~$60 cheaper, so I plan to go with the 970.

Yeah I'm saving up for the VP 990 512MB one. I want dedicated 256 MB per monitor.

And by the way the Dell Precison 360 is on Dell.com now, it starts at under $900.