View Full Version : Is Close good enough?

02-18-2006, 07:55 AM
Just wanted to you let you know I am going through the
some of Digital Film Tool 55mm set to see what I can
recreate and save to presets for Bobs3Wheeler
(at times I add BobsBloomFX)

Let me know what you think.

If you want to see more use these links http://www.toastergarage.com/3WheelSample10.jpg


Jim Capillo
02-18-2006, 08:01 AM

While I'm looking at it on a LCD screen, it seems like it is losing a lot of resolution compared to the 55mm effect and the original..... not sure if it's a blur effect or what, but it does seem like it has too much blur, especially around the eyes and mouth.

02-18-2006, 08:06 AM
Its a Bloom issue I think.
Let me sharpen one up a bit.
Maybe time for a multi channeled Bloom?

02-18-2006, 09:01 AM
Jim refresh your browser see if its any better.
Appreciate the feedback

Jim Capillo
02-18-2006, 09:40 AM
That does look a lot better, Bob. Are these settings presets or will we be able to poke around with the adjustments?

02-18-2006, 10:14 AM
Well I did them with adjustments..
and saved it as a preset. I can send it your way if you want.
You need BloomFX though do you have it?
I plan on offering the settings/presets that I have made once I have
more than twenty. I am on about 6 now. Some are harder than others because
they are such slight variances.
Bloom was set to Range of 0
Brightness reduction of 27 and glow of 2.


Jim Capillo
02-18-2006, 12:09 PM
Moot point for me, I don't have Bloom..... :(

02-18-2006, 02:04 PM
That's your roblem Jim. Ya gotta get Bloom! ;)
I agree the preset does look soft.

02-18-2006, 06:22 PM
Ok so how about this one?
Or you can check out this one


02-18-2006, 06:24 PM
Well part of the effect is to have it look softer.
But I agree its not perfect thats why I asked if close was
good enough.
Its good to get your oppinions.

Bloom is great for softening but can cause the appearance of being too


02-18-2006, 06:25 PM
>Moot point for me, I don't have Bloom.....
Ahh Jim..
Some day you will have em all, I hope..


Jim Capillo
02-18-2006, 07:18 PM
......Some day you will have em all, I hope..

:agree: I'm working on it, Bob ! :jam:

02-18-2006, 07:21 PM
which one is softer in the top picture the one to the right or the one to the left?


02-18-2006, 07:42 PM
all these comparisons of 55MM and B3W come across to my eyes as favoring the 55MM for distinctness, where the B3W one is definitely softer looking.

Better and Close enough is depending on what you're after, and the eye of the beholder, is always right.

02-18-2006, 07:48 PM
In one case I was looking on the video monitor and liked what
3Wheeler did. The others are pretty subjective.
The ones with bloomFX added are kind of softer. I cant quite put
my finger one what is what yet with those.
Does that look softer?


02-18-2006, 10:23 PM
Hi Bob,

The B3W does look softer. As I mentioned to you once, color and audio are not my strong points but here is what I'm seeing. It appears that the 55mm is merging some of the luma values and bumping the high and low values. Not by blurring them which would give the softer appearance but by some sort of rounding or truncation. In othe words rather than taking an average value they seem to be finding a specific value and bumping what is close either up or down leaving the middle values empty. Notice how the darks are much darker and the lights much lighter and while there is a gradient it seems to be a sharper line between the darks and the lights.

OK, enough rambling. Call me if you have any questions and I'll try to explain it better.


Jim Capillo
02-19-2006, 05:14 AM
Does that look softer?


Now that I'm looking at it on a CRT, it is definitely softer.

02-19-2006, 06:06 AM
Learning as I go along.
Jim or Ivan can you send an image ans circle whats soft?
Cause if its soft eerywhere that would be strange and I will have to
give a long hard look at the code.
The image I combined with Bloom I can understand as being softer but
the second image (goldish colored girl you would have to point out. )


02-19-2006, 06:44 AM
Chcanged one thing but not sure if its whats needed. I sent you
out the samples to Jim and Ivan to overview. Let me know.