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occupant
11-18-2005, 12:38 PM
has anyone else experienced LW 8.5 crashing after exiting the preview mode? on my system (dual G4 - OSX 10.4x) it crashes after i close the preview controller.

Rory_L
11-18-2005, 08:13 PM
Yep. Had that since at least 8.3 on the machine at work. Doesn't crash on the home machine. Can't say why, but maybe it's to do with plugin compatability or config files.

toby
11-19-2005, 12:54 AM
Are you familiar with deleting config files, or have you tried it?

Rory_L
11-19-2005, 03:17 AM
You asking me or Occupant?

The crashing's no big deal. Less trouble than resetting my configs...and LW9's on the horizon. I'm thinking of doing a clean install then and add my extra plugins one at a time to see which is the culprit. Come to think of it, 9'll probably be like 8 and we'll not have a choice in the matter of whether to overwrite or install from scratch.

R

djtoltz
11-26-2005, 10:36 AM
I too am seeing an instant crash when exiting a full-screen preview. It doesn't [always] happen when I've got a split view and a smaller preview.

G5 2.0Ghz dual processor, with ATI Radeon 9600 and 1GB RAM

peterkarrlander
11-26-2005, 11:03 AM
Yes, the preview crashes. I have not found any workaround
I went back to 8.3

:newtek:

Activator
12-08-2005, 03:21 PM
While I love a lot of the new features in 8.5, the preview crash is a major PITA. I now have to do 1 pass PLD or Wireframe renders to see how animations are working. Annoying, to say the least.

Newtek - ANY idea how to fix this?!? :help:

studio775
12-22-2005, 06:03 AM
I tried running a preview on a Mac G4 running OS 10.4.2 and everything seems OK. I tried doing it on a Mac G5 running OS 10.4.3. I called tech support and they had me delete my preferences and reinstall all the plugins with no success.

I had the preview running on the G5. I think it had something to do with updating to OS 10.4.3.

Newtek Tech support has raised it to a level 2 issue and has passed it on to their developers.

eblu
12-22-2005, 09:57 AM
I have to chime in here.
8.5 is definetly crashing on me after previews.
I routinely delete my pref files.

NickLambert
12-24-2005, 05:15 AM
has anyone else experienced LW 8.5 crashing after exiting the preview mode? on my system (dual G4 - OSX 10.4x) it crashes after i close the preview controller.

I'm not having any prob's, stock G5 x2Ghz 10.4.3. If you want to send me the scene & objects I'll run it here & see if it picks up any missing plugs.

[email protected]

:thumbsup:

pantone
12-24-2005, 09:22 AM
What version of Quicktime are you guys using?

I also have the crashing problem with 8.5 and I'm wondering if it has anything to do with updating to QT7. I'm not positive, but I don't think I had this problem while I was still using QT6.x

toby
12-24-2005, 12:16 PM
I have no problems here, I even tried to make it crash with a huge preview.
LW8.5 G5 OS10.4.2 QT7
OpenGL is involved in previews, should we compare graphic cards?
ati9600 64mb

NickLambert
12-24-2005, 12:42 PM
QT 7 here too

Zibi
01-02-2006, 07:24 AM
I've been running OS 10.3.5 with LW 8.5 with no problems
also running QT 7 (but not 7.03)

I've just upgraded to 10.4 (and immediately to 10.4.3) I now have the crashing out after closing preview window problem.

-I also have gained a problem where the item selection jumps to another object making it virtually impossible to work on some objects in Layout -but thats for another thread.

I've got to figure out if I'm going back to panther or if there is a way to get round it.

jeremyhardin
01-02-2006, 10:28 AM
no problems with it here.

G4 Powerbook 1.5Ghz 1GB Ram OSX 10.4.3
ATI Radeon 9600 w/ 128 mb Video Memory
LW 8.5
QT7 Pro

Are you guys using the previews with the new OGL features enabled? since it worked better before that, maybe that's the culprit? (can't test right now myself)

NickLambert
01-02-2006, 10:43 AM
I've been running OS 10.3.5 with LW 8.5 with no problems
also running QT 7 (but not 7.03)

I've just upgraded to 10.4 (and immediately to 10.4.3) I now have the crashing out after closing preview window problem.

-I also have gained a problem where the item selection jumps to another object making it virtually impossible to work on some objects in Layout -but thats for another thread.

I've got to figure out if I'm going back to panther or if there is a way to get round it.

Are you using Nvidia Card?

studio775
01-02-2006, 11:50 AM
I've just upgraded to 10.4 (and immediately to 10.4.3) I now have the crashing out after closing preview window problem.

The exact thing happened to me to. I just reinstalled my OS to 10.4.2 and it is working OK again. The Newtek support person I talked to mentioned the Open GL may be a problem and that he is passing my problem onto the developers.

Zibi
01-03-2006, 03:37 AM
Are you using Nvidia Card?

yes its a bog standard dual 2gig G5 with the Nvidia geforse 5200 card
I'll have a go turning off the open GL

but it looks like I'll end up reinstalling the OS back to 10.4.2 as Studio 775 suggests

NickLambert
01-03-2006, 10:58 AM
yes its a bog standard dual 2gig G5 with the Nvidia geforse 5200 card
I'll have a go turning off the open GL

but it looks like I'll end up reinstalling the OS back to 10.4.2 as Studio 775 suggests

If that works for Studio 775 sounds like the cheapest option. I know a
few issues with Nvidia cards, shame as I prefure them :bangwall:

jeremyhardin
01-03-2006, 11:03 AM
has anyone tried making previews with the new OpenGL functions disabled? it may save the trouble of a reinstall or OS downgrade.

toby
01-03-2006, 11:24 PM
yes its a bog standard dual 2gig G5 with the Nvidia geforse 5200 card
I'll have a go turning off the open GL

but it looks like I'll end up reinstalling the OS back to 10.4.2 as Studio 775 suggests
Well, I thought maybe you guys who're crashing might be pushing it too hard, but I just did a full-screen 1600x1200 preview with every OpenGL option enabled plus 1024x1024 ogl textures - no crash... I do have an ATI card...

Good luck Zibi, and please tell us what the outcome is!

Something else I just realized, I've been seeing color banding in the previews lately, and I just remembered that since QT7, the Animation codec is set to Thousands of colors by default instead of millions, and LW uses the Animation codec by default!! Aaargh!

We need to have control over the preview settings, like on the PC.

Bona
01-04-2006, 04:54 AM
Same here.
Dual 2G G5, 2G of ram, stock ATI RV351 128MB ram.
Just a simple 8-point box can cause LW to quit on ending preview. : d

update: there is a workaround, please see this:

http://www.newtek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44357

wilgory
01-19-2006, 02:26 AM
Oh yeah I have experienced the LW 8.5 Crash after Preview so many times I don't want anyone else to know. It is the worst bug that should have been caught before 8.5 was released since it has happened to me on different macs with different scenes.
-Greg

toby
01-19-2006, 07:51 PM
has anyone tried making previews with the new OpenGL functions disabled? it may save the trouble of a reinstall or OS downgrade.

Anybody? Anybody?

toby
01-19-2006, 11:20 PM
WELL, I guess I can answer that question myself, after trying hard to make LW crash with a preview in OS10.4.2, I find that all I had to do was upgrade to 10.4.4. It now crashes relentlessly, even with only 5 frames of an empty scene. Turning off the new hardware shading OpenGL made no difference, nor did turning off every single OGL option and switching to wireframe.

It's so repeatable that it makes me think it'll be easy to find and fix... :o

crpcory
01-24-2006, 01:05 PM
crashing here as well, every time

using 10.4.3

QT 7.0.4

dual 2.3 powermac

ati x800


LW 8.5 But hey, who needs to know what a animation is going to look like before you render....ha...ha....ha


Yeah, lets just hope 9 cometh quick or soemthing fixes this even quicker

3Dswade
01-24-2006, 03:37 PM
This is a PITA, I've got a huge accident recreation due friday, I will go along fine then I even move alone the time line mine crashes. Hope they get this fixed.

Scazzino
01-25-2006, 08:45 AM
Someone posted this workaround previously in another thread about this... I forget who, or where, but it works...

Set your end frame higher than you need. ie if you want a preview of frames 1-300 set your range to 1-400

Let it make the preview and once it gets past frame 300 just hit the escape key to stop it.

Then open the CurrentPreview.mov file in your programs folder to view the preview. Rename and save this elsewhere and remove it from the programs folder (otherwise your next preview will crash before it starts... ;-)

I know this is a PITA, but at least it works until the problem can be permanently fixed...

Hope it helps,
-MikeS

PeteS
02-21-2006, 02:04 PM
mother of mary and joseph!!!
YES mikes..that does work!!! but what a pain in the balls!!!!
Come on newtek...some of us do this for a living!!!! This is a MAJOR inconvenience!!
CAN we get a newtek person to adres this..god i hope 9 has this working!!!!!!!!!!

...ok....rant over..

jeremyhardin
02-21-2006, 02:10 PM
btw,i think i mentioned this elsewhere, but i do have this problem consistently (contrary to my initial test in my post above). bummer.

NigelH
02-21-2006, 05:50 PM
It would appear that 10.4.3 is the entry point for this problem, as I'm still running 10.4.2 and haven't come across it yet. (knock wood).

Lightwave does have the annoying habit of occasionally not advancing through the frames while making a preview or simply rendering blank frames (actually, this happens quite frequently), but those are OGL glitches that have been around for as long as I can remember.

Also running LW8.3 on a 2x2Ghz G5 with QT7.0.3 and an ATI9600 card.

wilgory
02-21-2006, 06:19 PM
It would appear that 10.4.3 is the entry point for this problem, as I'm still running 10.4.2 and haven't come across it yet. (knock wood).

Lightwave does have the annoying habit of occasionally not advancing through the frames while making a preview or simply rendering blank frames (actually, this happens quite frequently), but those are OGL glitches that have been around for as long as I can remember.

Also running LW8.3 on a 2x2Ghz G5 with QT7.0.3 and an ATI9600 card.

I am 99.9 percent positive that this was a bug introduced by Newtek in Lightwave 8.5. I remember having this problem on multiple Machines that had 8.5 and 10.3.9 to 10.4.2 With 8.3 your in the clear, You'll get the bug when you get the 8.5 upgrade. It really is unfortunate that people not upgrading to 9 will be stuck with the likes of a broken preview system forever. hahaha

toby
02-21-2006, 11:28 PM
If it is only in 8.5, ( I seem to remember some complaints from before that ) it would coincide with the new GLSL hardware shading, which also requires 10.4.3 and up.

Yea just tried a preview in an old copy of 8.2 (I never installed 8.3), no problems.

jeremyhardin
02-21-2006, 11:35 PM
yeah, but it's still a problem with those options turned off.

roberthurt
03-13-2006, 12:28 PM
I'm plagued by this crash too, even in a simple scene with no objects (just a camera move).

However, when I repeated the same experiment in 9.0b, it seemed to be OK. I haven't tried it with a complex scene yet. Hmm, too bad a fix in 9.0b doesn't really help my production pipeline...