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Gaze
09-19-2005, 02:20 PM
I'll be on the lookout for a new video card for the next few months (until LW[9] is released), then buy. Can you suggest a short list of cards I should be scoping out...say, in the <$250 range.

If you could rank 3 to 5 of your top picks (in terms of value and LW[9] performance) that would be especially helpful. Newtek and End User opinions quite welcome :bowdown:

meatycheesyboy
09-19-2005, 03:26 PM
According to NT much of LW's drawing subsystem has been changed in LW9 so I doubt anyone here can do anything but speculate as to what you should be using with it other than to say, make sure it is OpenGL 2.0 cpmpliant.

mattclary
09-20-2005, 06:39 AM
I would wait until 9 comes out before deciding. If the OpenGL enhancements improve speed significantly, THEN I would consider a new card. If the improvemnents turn out to be mediocre, I wouldn't bother.

Now: The 6xxx and above nVidia cards impement OpenGL 2.0 in hardware. That's what you should get, if you upgrade. I doubt you will see an improvemnt in PERFORMANCE with a Quadro card, probably just image quality, which isn't worth the price to me. Especially when it's possible to convert most nVidia cards to Quadros via software. I would rather spend that money on the fastest consumer card you can get or use it to get a better processor for faster renders.

lardbros
09-20-2005, 08:43 AM
Right, so my card supports OpenGL 1.4... i guess this means that i won't have any fancy stuff in my viewport for 8.5 and 9? Does it mean that?

mattclary
09-20-2005, 08:57 AM
lardbros, your card is NV3 based, with drivers it should support OGL 2.0

Lightwolf
09-20-2005, 09:26 AM
I'd go for a lower end 7800 rather than a higher end 6x00 from nVidia. nVidia for sure though. Mainly because the 7800 is a bit faster when hardware shading (which is likely to make a bit of a difference in future LW versions with openGL 2.0 support), but also because it runs cooler and uses less power.

Cheers,
Mike

KSTAR
09-20-2005, 09:36 AM
does anyone know if the NVIDIA Quadro4 750XGL's support OpenGL 2? I cant find any info on the NVIDIA site

mattclary
09-20-2005, 09:42 AM
A. Distinguishing NV3xGL-based and NV4xGL-based
Quadro FX GPUs by Product Names
As discussed in section 2, while NV3x- and NV3xGL-based GPUs support OpenGL 2.0,
the NV4x- and NV4xGL-based GPUs have the best industry-wide hardware-acceleration
and support for OpenGL 2.0.
For the consumer GeForce product lines, GeForce FX and GeForce 6 Series GPUs are
easily distinguished based on their product names and numbering. Any NVIDIA GPU
product beginning with GeForce FX is NV3x-based. Such GPUs also typically have a
5000-based product number, such as 5200 or 5950. GeForce GPUs with a 6000-based
product name, such as 6600 or 6800, are NV4x-based.
However, the Quadro FX product name applies to both NV3xGL-based and NV4xGLbased
GPUs and there is no simple rule to differentiate NV3xGL-based and NV4xGLbased
using the product name. The lists below will help OpenGL 2.0 developers
correctly distinguish the two NV3xGL- and NV4xGL-based Quadro FX product lines.
NVIDIA OpenGL 2.0 Support
22 of 22
A.1. NV3xGL-based Quadro FX GPUs
Quadro FX 330 (PCI Express)
Quadro FX 500 (AGP)
Quadro FX 600 (PCI)
Quadro FX 700 (AGP)
Quadro FX 1000 (AGP)
Quadro FX 1100 (AGP)
Quadro FX 1300 (PCI)
Quadro FX 2000 (AGP)
Quadro FX 3000 (AGP)
A.2. NV4xGL-based Quadro FX GPUs
Quadro FX 540 (PCI Express)
Quadro FX 1400 (PCI Express)
Quadro FX Go1400 (PCI Express)
Quadro FX 3400 (PCI Express)
Quadro FX 4000 (AGP)
Quadro FX 4400 (PCI Express)
Quadro FX 3450 (PCI Express)
Quadro FX 4450 (PCI Express)

Lightwolf
09-20-2005, 09:46 AM
mattclary beat me, but here are the nVidia docs:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nv_ogl2_support.html

Cheers,
Mike

KSTAR
09-20-2005, 10:07 AM
ok I looked through the list and it says all Nvidia4 XGL support open GL 2 and have the best implimentation but I dont see the 750 XGL actually listed. I have the most current drivers and when I click the about open GL in layout it say Im running 1.53 :confused:

Matt
09-20-2005, 10:14 AM
Loving my 6800 ULTRA, and it supports OGL2.0

lardbros
09-20-2005, 10:46 AM
My actual card is a GeforceFX5200 series (AGPx8, but mine is only running at x4 due to crap motherboard). According to the Nvidia PDF thing, my card won't do it. Now i don't know what's right. There wasn't even a mention of openGL 1.4 on the PDF either.

EDIT
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Just looked at my Layout openGL thing, and it says version 2!!! Yay, haven't been this pleased since i, since i... ate my lunch.

Gaze
09-20-2005, 11:08 AM
A while back I ran out and bought an AGP card in a pinch, without researching. Sort of an emergency.
Turns out it has GeForce FX 5200. The drivers included (on the video bd. CD) were PRE-openGL 2.0.

I download/installed two files:
directx_9c_redist.exe [from Microsoft]
78.03_winXP2K_english.exe [from NVidia]

Now my 'About OpenGL' reads Version 2.0.0.

oh, and Vue5 no longer gives me a warning popup that said DirectX was not proper on my video hardware and Vue would run in a sub-optimum mode. :stumped:

lardbros, did you try that?

mattclary
09-20-2005, 12:03 PM
My actual card is a GeforceFX5200 series (AGPx8, but mine is only running at x4 due to crap motherboard). According to the Nvidia PDF thing, my card won't do it. Now i don't know what's right. There wasn't even a mention of openGL 1.4 on the PDF either.

EDIT
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Just looked at my Layout openGL thing, and it says version 2!!! Yay, haven't been this pleased since i, since i... ate my lunch.

Lardbros, according to nVidia, any 5xxx series will support OGL 2.0 with drivers, just not in hardware. Only the 6xxx and above have specialized silicon for OGL 2.0. The older 4xxx cards don't support OGL 2.0 at all, so buck up, little camper! ;)

lardbros
09-20-2005, 01:15 PM
Ahhhh, cheers guys!! It does read version 2 anyway, cheers though. When did version 78.03 Nvidia drivers come out? I literally JUST downloaded them the other week and they were 77.77. Hope they get rid of the bug that causes any of my video overlay to be washed out until i go to the nvidia properties.

OOh, can't wait till 8.5 now. Will probably run slowly though with everything turned on, my PC finds it tricky with transparency and multi-layered textures turned on in Layout. :(