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bbeanan
08-17-2004, 12:44 PM
Ok so I was wondering I have heard alot about animorphic DVD where the DVD tells your screen to fit a 16:9 image on a 4:3 screen as well as the other way around. Is this possible in programs like Adobe Encore?

If so should I create my video then in 16:9 format in VT3? I have never really figured this out??

Lightwolf
08-17-2004, 01:49 PM
16:9 anamorphic has to be set during the mpeg-2 encoding (I don't know what you use to encode, but there should be a setting somewhere).

This will tell the DVD player that the video is 16:9, and it will either play it as it is, or (vertically) compress it to 4:3 with black bars, depending on the users settings for the player.

Cheers,
Mike

ScorpioProd
08-17-2004, 02:36 PM
There is also a 16:9 flag that can be set in the DV AVI stream, to tell the MPEG-2 encoder that the video is 16:9. Or you can just set it manually in the MPEG-2 encoder. I'm not sure exactly how Encore does it, but if your project is in Premiere Pro 1.5 in 16:9, it would probably know that.

bbeanan
08-17-2004, 02:38 PM
Ok I have seen the check box for that in Adobe Encore... but what about the other way around.

Reason I ask is I shot a Dance Studio Recital and one of the girls went home and watched the DVD and she looked fat (rather fatter). This was because she has a 16:9 tv at home vs. the video was shot for 4:3. I told the mother it was a setting on her TV to add the black bars left and right. But that got me thinking about this whole animorphic thing.

Looking at my DVD players I do not see an aspect selection??

Lightwolf
08-17-2004, 03:49 PM
Most DVD players I've seen have one, most by setting the TV type.
Most 16:9 TVs I've seen also have a selection.
There's not much else you can do about it.
Cheers,
Mike

ScorpioProd
08-17-2004, 05:18 PM
Sadly, most people who have 16:9 TVs aren't always watching 16:9 programs and hate to see bars on the side, so they leave it in stretched widescreen, making everyone look fat.

Stores do the same thing, I don't understand how people can stand to watch such distortion.

bbeanan
08-17-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by Lightwolf
Most DVD players I've seen have one, most by setting the TV type.
Mike

Well looking again at my DVD player and I found the 4:3 - 16:9 selection option... and it gives the option to letter box the 16:9 or to chop off a bit from the left and right.

chuckd
08-23-2004, 02:23 PM
> I don't understand how people can stand to watch such distortion.


I did it for a while on my TV-- you get used to it.

ScorpioProd
08-23-2004, 03:28 PM
It's important to remember to set your DVD player properly for 16:9 monitors, otherwise you are losing a lot of resolution.

A 16:9 monitor will make a letterboxed 4:3 image look 16:9, but that's throwing away a lot of the resolution. The only full quality 16:9 is if you set your DVD player to 16:9 so that it gives your 16:9 monitor an anamorphic 16:9 feed, then you get the full resolution.

And though your DVD player will give you a letterbox or pan&scan option for 16:9 content playing on your 4:3 monitor, most of the time this doesn't matter, since the DVD itself can override this setting, to give you the widescreen letterbox version as the director wants, for instance. I recommend just leaving this at letterbox.

chuckd
08-23-2004, 04:14 PM
Just as part of a test I was doing I created a ToolShed preset to "anamorph-isize" 4:3 video for 16:9. It stretches the video vertically so that when displayed on a 16:9 monitor it looks correct. I reframed the video so I got the look I wanted and was fairly impressed with it.

Some clips work better than others (had one with a blue background that went in the toilet) but I was pleasantly surprised that the picture didn't really degrade much-- even with DV.

pnelson
09-16-2004, 09:16 PM
There should already be a 4x3 to 16x9 preset in the toolshed!

There is also a 16x9 to 4x9 preset too!

See Ya,

Rich Deustachio
09-16-2004, 09:33 PM
Yes there is Philip but they are labeled backwards. I need to select 16x9 to 4x3 to get letterbox instead of 4x3 to 16x9.

ScorpioProd
09-16-2004, 11:14 PM
Yes there is Philip but they are labeled backwards. I need to select 16x9 to 4x3 to get letterbox instead of 4x3 to 16x9.

Well, it depends how you read it... I consider that to be correct. IF you have 16x9 anamorphic video, you use the 16X9 to 4x3 to get letterboxed 16X9 showing in a 4X3 space. Makes sense to me. :)

pnelson
09-16-2004, 11:17 PM
Rick,

Actually they are working as designed..

4x3 to 16x9 - Takes 4x3 footage and stretches it to Anamorphic 16x9.. This allows you to properly display the footage full screen on a 16x9 monitor.

16x9 to 4x3 - Takes anamorphic 16x9 footage and scales it into letterbox mode to allow viewing on 4x3 monitor at correct aspect ratio.

One are of confusion is that many Cameras shoot 16x9 as letterbox mode on the tape and not in 16x9 Full Screen Anamorphic mode.

Let me know what you think..

jbcaro
09-17-2004, 07:08 PM
Sadly, most people who have 16:9 TVs aren't always watching 16:9 programs and hate to see bars on the side, so they leave it in stretched widescreen, making everyone look fat.

Stores do the same thing, I don't understand how people can stand to watch such distortion.


Actually, I set my widescreen Mit to "Expand Mode". You lose a small part of the top and bottom of the screen but everyone is the correct proportion. All the modes that distort make me ill. :(

jbcaro