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stefan
08-07-2004, 03:36 AM
hi lwavers, need help

i have dl the trial mb5.5 and want test it with a character from me, i dl the 3D_Dave_Skeleton_2.3.
my steps are follow:

1. i setup the dave skelet on my charatcer in modeler.
than import to layout and convert skelett. no i am export to fxb.

2. in mb5 i open the fbx file use characterize and than i become errors i delete 2 not correct running point and than i use mb motion .
now i say input the motion and my character is jump. ok now i become errors on plot. the character become a error.

on any test i become a plot and convert it.

www.cg-feeling.de/grrrr.avi is a screenshoot anim 1mb

in layout i have the sekelet is jump but my charatcer is nothing do. what i must do?

please help me

pixeltek
08-07-2004, 10:19 AM
Ok Stefan, while I cannot give you specific assistance (I need that as well), here's what I know. I too downloaded that skeleton, and found some problems with it.

1. 3D Buzz http://www.3dbuzz.com/ has a number of free MB training videos, but none of them LW-specific.

2. Proton (William Vaughan) is our LW-Motionbuilder NewTek-resident expert, but he is probably too busy with Siggraph to get involved at this time (my guess). I wish he'd write a MB-LW tutorial series for Keyframe someday, because there is a real shortage of LW-related training material for MB.

3. I contacted Kaydara, and they admitted to that problem and also that they had repeated requests from LW users regarding tutes or training videos, and promised to address that problem shortly. However, that was over six months ago. I will be meeting with Kaydara people at Siggraph and raise the issue once again.

4. One of the 3D World Magazines that had MB 4, I believe it was, included, has some non-LW-specific training videos included (from 3D Buzz) as part of the free CD and a number of sample characters that you can practice with. You will have to check 3D Word Mag back issues. The MB 4 stuff is good for Mb 5 as well. http://www.3dworldmag.com/backissues.asp

5. Lastly, go to Google (or any search engine of your choice) and input "Motionbuilder tutorial" (no quotes) and get a few thousand hits http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=Motionbuilder+tutorial

Hope this helps,

Karl
http://www.cosmic-pearl.com/

stefan
08-07-2004, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by pixeltek
Ok Stefan, while I cannot give you specific assistance (I need that as well), here's what I know. I too downloaded that skeleton, and found some problems with it.

1. 3D Buzz http://www.3dbuzz.com/ has a number of free MB training videos, but none of them LW-specific.

2. Proton (William Vaughan) is our LW-Motionbuilder NewTek-resident expert, but he is probably too busy with Siggraph to get involved at this time (my guess). I wish he'd write a MB-LW tutorial series for Keyframe someday, because there is a real shortage of LW-related training material for MB.

3. I contacted Kaydara, and they admitted to that problem and also that they had repeated requests from LW users regarding tutes or training videos, and promised to address that problem shortly. However, that was over six months ago. I will be meeting with Kaydara people at Siggraph and raise the issue once again.

4. One of the 3D World Magazines that had MB 4, I believe it was, included, has some non-LW-specific training videos included (from 3D Buzz) as part of the free CD and a number of sample characters that you can practice with. You will have to check 3D Word Mag back issues. The MB 4 stuff is good for Mb 5 as well. http://www.3dworldmag.com/backissues.asp

5. Lastly, go to Google (or any search engine of your choice) and input "Motionbuilder tutorial" (no quotes) and get a few thousand hits http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=Motionbuilder+tutorial

Hope this helps,

Karl
http://www.cosmic-pearl.com/

dear pixeltek,
thx for ur answer. i hope u get many good information on siggraph
on kaydara.

when u have information could u help me out? im from germany and i have no chance to go to siggraph.
i say thx

stefan

Grace
08-07-2004, 04:05 PM
Pixeltek, can you remember which issue of 3D World Magazine MB 4 was on? I looked at the link to the backissues and none of them seemed to reference the MB4. Thanks! Sorry to butt in in your thread Stefan! I'm kind of interested in Motion Builder also.. I just don't have the money for the package right now.

stefan
08-07-2004, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Grace
Pixeltek, can you remember which issue of 3D World Magazine MB 4 was on? I looked at the link to the backissues and none of them seemed to reference the MB4. Thanks! Sorry to butt in in your thread Stefan! I'm kind of interested in Motion Builder also.. I just don't have the money for the package right now.

np grace

pixeltek
08-07-2004, 05:23 PM
That was issue 41, and the full version of MB 4 came with it. All you had to do was to contact Kaydara for the license info. There was an upgrade offer included, but that ran out some time back.

Karl

colkai
08-08-2004, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by pixeltek
1. 3D Buzz http://www.3dbuzz.com/ has a number of free MB training videos, but none of them LW-specific.

I would also add that some of them are now only downloadable on the star system 3DBuzz has started. However, go to the Kaydara Knowledge desk for many useful VTMS.. http:/kb.kaydara.com They also have tutorial PDF's / scene files for you to work through, which all adds up to over 2 CD's worth!



2. Proton (William Vaughan) is our LW-Motionbuilder NewTek-resident expert, but he is probably too busy with Siggraph to get involved at this time (my guess). I wish he'd write a MB-LW tutorial series for Keyframe someday, because there is a real shortage of LW-related training material for MB.
It would be even better if he did one for the Newtek site and some VTM's that us Non Keyframe subscribers can enjoy. (Have you seen how much it costs for an international sub. to Keyframe?)


3. I will be meeting with Kaydara people at Siggraph and raise the issue once again.
Please do pixeltek, we need some good examples. Heck I've got a doozie of a setup that would give them plenty of scope for showing what could be done and the problems you could encounter.
(Guess how I know there are a lot of problems ;) ).

pixeltek
08-08-2004, 09:25 AM
colkai - so true, and excellent suggestions.

In fact, I plan to talk to Proton about this thing as well. I agree, international subscriptions are murder on the wallet. I should know, I used to subscribe to 3D World, before it became 3D (s Max) World. However, I too do occasionally purchase Digit, 3D World, or other mags from the UK on an as desired basis, either from Barnes & Noble, or directly from the publishers' websites.

BTW, since you are in the UK, if you ever come through Bath, Future Publishing has their main office there. I went there a few years back (while traveling around Europe and the UK) to resolve some minor response problem with them. You might want to bring a possible LW-Kaydara tute with them too. I don't know how far that will get you, but they still have the LW tip section in each issue anyway. Meaning, there is a tiny spark of LW sentiment still alive there.

I will bring up the possibility of a MB tutorial for the NewTek website with Proton. Last year he did tell me how much he liked MB and I noticed that Kaydara uses samples of his work in their newsletters (all non-LW newsletters, to be sure and the reasons for my initial complaints).

With the Kaydara people I can only ask and complain. I have no leverage, other than to point at Proton, repeated complaints and requests by the LW community, and their own promises to address this matter. As you all know by now, they will be releasing and demonstrating Mb 6 at Siggraph. I'll be there for their post show hours party and will bend all the ears that I can. It's all I can do.

In fact, I remember that had even talked to Buzz from 3D Buzz about making a LW-Kaydara training video, and will repeat my request this time around.

Karl

colkai
08-08-2004, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by pixeltek
[B]I will bring up the possibility of a MB tutorial for the NewTek website with Proton. Last year he did tell me how much he liked MB and I noticed that Kaydara uses samples of his work in their newsletters (all non-LW newsletters, to be sure and the reasons for my initial complaints).

In fact, some of the VTM's on MB use Protons ninja as the model for the examples too!

I'll be there for their post show hours party and will bend all the ears that I can. It's all I can do.
We can ask no more of you, still, if we can get Proton on the case, who needs 'em? :p

I'll certainly email 3DWorld about a possible LW/MB tute, but to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if all they did was pass on a request to 3DBuzz. :rolleyes:

Cheers! :D

UnCommonGrafx
08-08-2004, 02:38 PM
An honest question:
What would a lw-mb tute be all about?
Not much to cover outside of getting a good and working flow in and out of the two. That's been covered quite well.
Beyond that, it's either all about lw or all about mb.

I could see endos being covered, I guess. Just curious...

colkai
08-09-2004, 02:14 AM
Well speaking for myself..
I have situation where in MB, some additional limbs are catered for by a fake character and some constraints.

Now when plotted, this all works fine in MB, however, merge the FBX into the original scene in LW and the additional arms go all over the place, so something somewhere is not being honoured / translated during the merge process.
So I'd love to see that sort of thing dealt with, plus I'm betting, there are all sorts of little "gotchas" that you only notice once using it "in anger".

retinajoy
08-09-2004, 05:05 AM
I wonder what's going to happen, now that Alias have bought Kaydara out. I was thinking of getting motionbuilder or messiah in the new year. I guess my mind has been made up for me.

jacross
08-09-2004, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by retinajoy
I wonder what's going to happen, now that Alias have bought Kaydara out. I was thinking of getting motionbuilder or messiah in the new year. I guess my mind has been made up for me.

MB may still be a good choice yet retinajoy (thankfully... I was looking at purchasing it as well). According to the press release put out by Kaydara, Motionbuilder "...will continue to support all current industry platforms and will be sold as standalone products under the Alias brand name." You can read the full press release HERE (http://www.kaydara.com/press/index.php?filename=current/2004/20040808)

I think they just have too much invested in the .fbx format... which was probably one of the main reasons (other than the great animation and OpenGL capabilities of course) that Alias went after Kaydara. Just a thought anyway.

stefan
08-09-2004, 05:14 PM
yeah i can not believe but its running*g

www.cg-feeling.de/flip_tjunka_sb_demo.avi

dammit now i can search all my hairs.


thx for all helping user

WizCraker
08-09-2004, 05:27 PM
that character resembles Jar Jar Binks in a Hoodie.

stefan
08-10-2004, 01:39 PM
i dl any free mocap .fbx data but i can not drag it on storyboard. when i drag in w3d window than i can use it? what i must do?

colkai
08-11-2004, 01:38 AM
Do you already have a character in your scene? Is it properly characterized?
Are you dragging & dropping into the story track section?

stefan
08-11-2004, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by colkai
Do you already have a character in your scene? Is it properly characterized?
Are you dragging & dropping into the story track section?



yes on characterized character the new motion are running. but i found the problem. the new motion must first as new motion convert.


last question: when i have any motion in story and all ok, what i must do plot all to character and then save? for the final export.

thx

colkai
08-11-2004, 04:09 AM
Heh,
Would you believe, you've just answered your own question.
Once you have all the animation as you like, simply select Edit->plot character from the character controls.
Or choose from the menu Animation->Plot all properties
You can then save this to be merged back into LW.

pixeltek
08-15-2004, 11:30 AM
Just back from Siggraph. I had an extended chat with Kaydara team members.
1. Kaydara is now owned by Alias
2. I was assured, however, by persons very high up in the food chain, that Alias wants the MB division to act as an independent entity and encourages ongoing support of other 3D applications (we're talking bottom-line here and that's what counts).
3. To get the necessary support, they suggested going to the Motionbuilder support forum to send in the character I have difficulties with. They said that the LW specialists they apparently have on staff will be more than happy to not only test the character out, but return it with a tutorial of how they got it to work. That would be very helpful and I will have to try that.
http://www.kaydara.com/support/index.php
(I assume that very shortly this will link to the Alias website)
4. The more we complain and ask, the more likely they are to produce online LW-specific tutorials (the old "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" theory).
5. MB6 was shown, but while it makes some things easier, those of us using 4, 5, or 5.5 will recognize a familiar interface. No problem there. It's an evolutionary upgrade. Upgrade price had not been set yet.

CB_3D
08-15-2004, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by pixeltek
2. I was assured, however, by persons very high up in the food chain, that Alias wants the MB division to act as an independent entity and encourages ongoing support of other 3D applications (we're talking bottom-line here and that's what counts).


Hmmm...