View Full Version : Selectable Timeline SMPTE format

03-30-2003, 02:55 PM
e.g. 29.97 NDF vs. 30 DF.

Other NLE's have this feature. I'd like TEd to have it as well.

What does the "timecode" readout in TEd represent in terms of SMPTE? DF? NDF?

03-30-2003, 06:43 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that TED Timecode is DF.

The way to tell is the last seperator, if it is a colon : then it is NDF
if it is a semi-colon ; or just a period . then it is DF
00:00:00:00 would be NDF
00:00:00.00 would be DF

03-30-2003, 09:25 PM
Who knows? Does NewTek know?

True, colon vs. semi-colon is how it is evident in the professional realm, but NewTek isn't necessarily following that convention.

Also, how does the graphic timeline and T[3]'s batch capture and print to tape function relate to a pre-striped tape coded in DF? Or NDF?

03-31-2003, 06:46 AM
I agree, in Toaster[2], TEd's timecode is DF. This can be verified easily, punctuation aside. Notice that after 00:00:59.29, the next increment is 00:01:00.02.

03-31-2003, 09:40 AM
If so (I'd rather hear a confirmation from NewTek), then my "Feature Request" should be updated regularly ! Especially since I work in a NDF house!!!!

BTW, Steve, was your "Aura timecode overlay" in DF?

03-31-2003, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by taiji

(I'd rather hear a confirmation from NewTek) Me too, but I don't doubt my own eyes -- unless... do you suppose the 'missing' frames are really, really teensy on the Toaster timeline? ;)

Originally posted by taiji

BTW, Steve, was your "Aura timecode overlay" in DF? Non dropframe - Aura's TC Writer doesn't do DF. :(

03-31-2003, 11:01 AM
I hear a wheel squeaking!

Paul Lara
03-31-2003, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by taiji
I hear a wheel squeaking!

Yes, VT uses drop-frame timing.
Your request for NDF is duly noted. ;)

03-31-2003, 12:26 PM
Thanks, Paul.

03-31-2003, 04:05 PM
Excuse the ignorant remark but...what's that DF, NDF talk about? Is it something specific to NTSC or does it exist in PAL also. I'd like to be more educated on that. Thanks.

03-31-2003, 04:10 PM

Educational Material:


03-31-2003, 04:25 PM
Ah! It's your problem only (ntsc) :D

Thanks for the link Taiji

03-31-2003, 07:04 PM
Yes, it's the clever arrangement we've come up with over here to make life interesting by making 30 frames per second equal both 30 frames per second and 29.97 frames per second by having 60 seconds in each minute, but also 60 seconds in a minute and 2/60ths ... :-p

03-31-2003, 09:06 PM
So the Toaster uses Drop-frame on the timeline.
Steve's timecode window file is in non-drop frame.
Doesn't this mean the timecode file is off 2 frames every second?

04-01-2003, 06:17 AM
No, it means it's off by 2 frames at each of 9 out of every 10 minutes (not every second), IF you are expecting (or require) dropframe time code.

If NDF is OK for your reference purposes, it's fine. Since window dubs are mostly used to provide offline viewers a reference for editing remarks, I wasn't too worried about it. I'd like to have done both DF and NDF, but too much time involved, esp. when it seems likely that the whole deal will be redundant before too long anyway.

04-01-2003, 07:59 AM
I think we just witnessed a live scoop.

So tell us Steve does this mean that T[3] will have this feature?

Inquiring editors want to know.


04-01-2003, 04:40 PM
Sorry. Not a scoop, Romain - just an assumption based on experience.

04-01-2003, 08:58 PM
Definately soon I hope, like maybe T[3.x], but I really don't expect it in the initial version of T[3].

I think only EDIUS will have that for this NAB.

Of course, I would be happily surprised to be wrong. :)