PDA

View Full Version : TV news (Warning ON topic)



jcupp
03-26-2003, 09:27 AM
OK, now that we have dissected the politics of the war, what about the coverage. Do you like the crawls everyone seems to be using? What about the redefinition of "Broadcast Quality Video" i.e. Sat Vid Phones? Is saturation coverage a good thing or too much? Does CNN look blurry to you or is it just Dish Network?

Some of my observations:

Fox needs to let the expert practise off-air with the ScreenWriter before unleashing them on the public and every map they (or anyone else) shows implys that there are NO roads in Iraq, why is this?

If Saddam had a Toaster he could have made more convincing fake videos.

The skill of reporters seems to vary a great deal, some can barely string together a couple of coherent sentenses while others provide insightful information. The latter tend to be out getting shot at while the former are asking stupid questions at press briefings, I'm for trying it the other way around.

The 'embedded' reporters provide a view of the events never before available, so far this has been a good thing, I hope that continues.

-Jeff (I don't sleep I'm a News Junkie) Cupp
Digital Arts

ted
03-26-2003, 10:58 AM
I think the coverage is great. The quality of many feeds is awful, but it's the beginning of a new technology. It's amazing.
Remember Black and white News footage?

hrgiger
03-26-2003, 01:13 PM
Well, I think channels like CNN are way too dramatic. I prefer to catch the news on NPR (national public radio). It's a lot less sensationalistic then tv news.

jcupp
03-26-2003, 01:37 PM
I listen to NPR on occasion, BBC world service is balanced better though, but shortwave is inconvienent. In both cases the pictures suck:)

Beamtracer
03-26-2003, 02:47 PM
embedded = in bed with

All U.S. networks have admitted to censoring their coverage. BBC also. There's no point having action cameras on the front of tanks if they censor what the affect is to the Iraqi side.

Iraqi casualties are being censored. When was the last time that CNN showed a glimse from the inside of an Iraqi hospital?

Video of the U.S. marines from the Texas division who have been captured by the Iraqis has not been shown on U.S. networks, at Donald Rumsfeld's request.

This video looked like an interview situation with an interviewer asking the nervous marines to say their name and where they come from. This part of the video showed no violence. TV networks are not signatories to the Geneva Convention. Why censor this stuff, when the rest of the world gets to see it?

The U.S. networks are reluctant to show anything that might sway domestic public opinion against the war.

I look forward to when the Qatar based al-Jazeera network starts their English language service. At least then we'll be able to flick between that and CNN and compare the conflicting information, then make our minds up.

d|vZilla
03-26-2003, 03:10 PM
9/11 was a hoax: The American government killed its own people (http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/032403Kaminski/032403kaminski.html)

Bodies of 500 US, UK soldiers lying in Jacobabad (http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_032603_general.html)

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones (http://propagandamatrix.com/archiveskullandbones.html)

Bush, the President of His Class (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49076-2003Mar18.html)

Cheney is still paid by Pentagon contractor (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,912515,00.html)

Rumsfeld was on ABB board during nuclear deal with North Korea (http://nzz.ch/2003/02/22/english/page-synd1648385.html)

U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52241-2002Dec29.html)

these are the facts....

greetings from germany.

Meaty
03-26-2003, 03:35 PM
Originally posted by Beamtracer
embedded = in bed with

....

I look forward to when the Qatar based al-Jazeera network starts their English language service. At least then we'll be able to flick between that and CNN and compare the conflicting information, then make our minds up.

They are certainly in bed together. No doubt about that, they would have been there for all of five mintues had they started reporting negative coverage.

On the flip side of the coin, al-Jazeera is not exactly agenda free either. I wonder if we will see them talk about the torture chambers, rape rooms, and countless atrocities of Saddam's rule.

What I really look forward to is what will be the new Iraqi television after the war and the effect it may have on the region.



Originally posted by d|vZilla
9/11 was a hoax: The American government killed its own people (http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/032403Kaminski/032403kaminski.html)

Bodies of 500 US, UK soldiers lying in Jacobabad (http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_032603_general.html)

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones (http://propagandamatrix.com/archiveskullandbones.html)

Bush, the President of His Class (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49076-2003Mar18.html)

Cheney is still paid by Pentagon contractor (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,912515,00.html)

Rumsfeld was on ABB board during nuclear deal with North Korea (http://nzz.ch/2003/02/22/english/page-synd1648385.html)

U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52241-2002Dec29.html)

these are the facts....

greetings from germany.


YES... if it is on the INTERWEB, it must be true! LOL!

jcupp
03-26-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Beamtracer
embedded = in bed with

All U.S. networks have admitted to censoring their coverage. BBC also. There's no point having action cameras on the front of tanks if they censor what the affect is to the Iraqi side.



But Al Jazeera is pure and only tells the Truth?

The effects of tanks of the Iraqi side is pretty obvious, I think. The soldiers of an evil and corrupt dictator are dying by the hundreds. We gave them a chance to surrender and they didn't so now they face the consequences of that descision. I know that, you know that, hell, even the viewers of MSNBC (both of them) know that. It's not censorship, it's common human decency not showing images of dead and dying soldiers.

d|vZilla
03-26-2003, 04:27 PM
YES... if it is on the INTERWEB, it must be true! LOL! [/B]

YEA.. and if it's from GOD's OWN COUNTRY BRAINWASHING CNN || FOX NEWS TV it must be even MORE TRUE

Prove me your IQ is higher than the one of your lamer president...

jcupp
03-26-2003, 04:37 PM
You missed this one:

http://theonion.com/onion3911/us_forms_own_un.html


Originally posted by d|vZilla
9/11 was a hoax: The American government killed its own people (http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/032403Kaminski/032403kaminski.html)

Bodies of 500 US, UK soldiers lying in Jacobabad (http://www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_032603_general.html)

The Secret Origins of Skull & Bones (http://propagandamatrix.com/archiveskullandbones.html)

Bush, the President of His Class (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49076-2003Mar18.html)

Cheney is still paid by Pentagon contractor (http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,912515,00.html)

Rumsfeld was on ABB board during nuclear deal with North Korea (http://nzz.ch/2003/02/22/english/page-synd1648385.html)

U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52241-2002Dec29.html)

these are the facts....

greetings from germany.

Meaty
03-26-2003, 04:45 PM
d|vZilla, hey, why don't you keep the ad hominim remarks off the forum and stop calling people idiots. Those comments do not add to the debate at all and only further entrench the sentiments that those who are against the United States are driven by jealousy of our prosperity.

And just in general, don't say things in a forum that you would not say to someone's face. It is just cowardly.

d|vZilla
03-26-2003, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by Meaty
d|vZilla, hey, why don't you keep the ad hominim remarks off the forum and stop calling people idiots. Those comments do not add to the debate at all and only further entrench the sentiments that those who are against the United States are driven by jealousy of our prosperity.

And just in general, don't say things in a forum that you would not say to someone's face. It is just cowardly.

Exactly. I will just laugh about your cheap USA propaganda **** from now on.

Meaty
03-26-2003, 04:58 PM
You can sit and laugh privately, you can yell and call people idiots publically, or you can try and engage in a civil debate to try and broaden your mind. I for one will admit that I have learned a lot just from these threads and the research it has forced me to conduct research to back up my convictions. Beamtracer is polite debater to those who are polite to him/her. Take notes.

d|vZilla
03-26-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Meaty
You can sit and laugh privately, you can yell and call people idiots publically, or you can try and engage in a civil debate to try and broaden your mind. I for one will admit that I have learned a lot just from these threads and the research it has forced me to conduct research to back up my convictions. Beamtracer is polite debater to those who are polite to him/her. Take notes.

Actually it's just a **** waste of bandwidth.

JohnD
03-26-2003, 05:10 PM
Do you even own any Newtek products? I noticed the number of your posts are pretty low. I believe you are just a trouble maker who found this thread somehow and just started posting your anti-Americanism. Now before the website changed, you may have had a bunch of posts. I don't know. But I don't remember ever seeing your name before.

d|vZilla
03-26-2003, 05:23 PM
But I don't remember ever seeing your name before.

Good, and I hope you're not using any of my tools for LW.

CTRL+X
03-26-2003, 06:50 PM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHh Now I know who you are!


Ive read some of your thoughts on another board.... cool. welcome to this one!!!!



talk to you later

Meaty
03-26-2003, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by d|vZilla
Good, and I hope you're not using any of my tools for LW.

http://interialabs.de/lw/lscript/


yeeesh!!!

Rory_L
03-26-2003, 08:38 PM
Well I`m just frustrated by the time it now takes to access the BBC web war coverage. How dare you all read MY newspaper over my shoulder like that! :D

R

Beamtracer
03-26-2003, 09:23 PM
There's enough waring in the world without another war on this thread!

The Arabic-language channel al-Jazeera started broadcasting an english language video feed over the web. However the site fell over after it was hacked. Last time I looked it was still down, but in case it comes back, the address should be:

english.aljazeera.net

Sure, it will have biases in the other direction. But if you watch it in addition to the patriotic American networks (CNN,FOX,NBC,CBS,ABC) you'll be able to find the middle ground.

Prosprctor
03-26-2003, 09:44 PM
Back to the main topic:)

Yes the ALL need the VT2 over there. Those people should get up and protest over the bad product that is being put out.

And the graphics are even worse.
I wonder if it is legal for me to shoot a video of a person that looks like Saddam and show a US soldier come on screen and exicute him? and use the Al Jazeera or Iraqi logo,and then spread it around as a true film?

HMMMM :cool:

Hiraghm
03-26-2003, 11:04 PM
Most of the graphic effects are "okay", but overused. CNN uses little soldier and plane images to show troop placement, but they're way too large, IMO. Fox has a very slick DVE where an F-15 Strike Eagle flies in and morphs into a Bald Eagle. I was watching the BBC morning news program, and they use a bluescreen effect on their coffee-table-top. It looks okay, but the camera shakes at times, and whenever one of the anchors moves a hand over it, the hand gets blue patches on it.

The typical liberal press corps smells blood now, and is portraying every slight problem as a major disaster, and every success as nothing. One BBC defense correspondant complained bitterly about the complete reversal of the portrayal of the war effort. Helen Thomas has always been hostile at press briefings, but today I noticed some other reporters not just asking critical questions, but phrasing them in an insulting way. Some people just can't figure out that ad hominems take away your credibility, and are no substitute for rational arguments.

Btw, any rational definition of "propoganda" will tell you that propoganda is not automatically untrue.

So far our kill ratio is roughly 795.5 Iraqis dead to every 1 coalition. We control the majority of land in Iraq. We have won every battle with Iraqi troops. We've done all this in less than a week. And CNN and MSNBC pretend like we're losing.

Two lies do not add up to the truth, even if they conflict. So watching conflicting accounts does not guarantee a clear picture.

All news agencies censor their news, because they cannot transmit every bit of video and audio they receive as it is received. The cut and paste shots, they add voiceover commentary, they edit for length, they piece varying bits of video together to give a synopsis of events.

Prosprctor
03-27-2003, 12:10 AM
I get the same thing on my bluescreen, caused by shadows, so not too much can be done with a table.

Way too many cuts in the last Saddam tape :)

I think FOX has more generals than the real military on the show:D

Also they are doing spec sheets of the military equipment and showin that patriot missle thing over and over...
WHERE IS THE TEXTURING :confused: :confused: :confused:

They are just grey objects.

The smoke looks terrible when the tanks blow up.USE HVs!!!!
The explosions are just colored particles and then they go to black dots after little trails...USE HVs and USE DISSOLVE !!!!!!!

Jeesh...million dollar contracts, big studios and thats the best they get :confused: :confused: :confused:

I could do all thier graphics for 150,000 for the full year and get better stuff to them...

But that Lauri Duhe ohh-la-la

oops that's french

YEE HAA!!!!!:D

Hiraghm
03-27-2003, 12:51 AM
I just ran into the other room to catch Ollie's report... Laurie's wearing a skirt, man she's got great legs. Blonde bombshell. A shame she's engaged (like I would stand a chance, right...:D )
I'm in love with most of the female Fox news Foxes... Pattie Anne Brown, Laurie Dhue, Linda Vester, Page Hopkins, Jane Skinner, Molly de Ramel, Rita Cosby, E.D. Hill and the rest. They all have a girl-next-door quality that gives me a warm fuzzy. I keep hoping Norah O'Donnel will switch networks, cause she has that same quality.

I thought about the lack of textures and lack of anti-aliasing myself, and I think I have the answer... first, I don't think they're using LW. 2nd, I think they dont bother with textures or aliasing in order to get fresh animations out there as fast as possible. And third, just occurred to me, some of the animations and such may be interactive programs, rather than 3D renderings.

Hey! There's a subject for a future contest. Render one of the Fox News Foxes! I'd enter it, but I'd lose bad and the Fox I chose to model would hate me.... :(

Dodgy
03-27-2003, 05:06 AM
MMM yeah, a couple of the newsreaders over here are looking verry nice... Katie Derham, mmmmm, I think FHM should do a naughty newsreaders and wicked weather girls spread :)

Rory_L
03-27-2003, 06:48 AM
wicked weather girls spread
Do they?

R

Prosprctor
03-27-2003, 09:47 AM
Hiraghm...
We ALL stand a chance...

Might be a snowballs chance in hell, but it IS still a chance :D

Stuff I seen isn't interactive, just little anims explaining how the patriot missles work, explaining the wares of the military.

I do think it's LW as the ground has that familiar crumple texture it the tank animation.

I would figure that Fox or CNN would have more than 1 guy doing the anims and quite a networking setup so I see anims being able to be made rather fast.

But if they use the money for animations to get more Fox foxes then that's fine too :D

Hefner...are you following this thread ???
WE want a FOX foxes pictorial !!!!!

Hiraghm
03-27-2003, 02:11 PM
I probably won't have any luck, but I'm going to try pestering Fox via their website to see if we can get some info on how they do their 3d effects.

Beamtracer
03-27-2003, 07:53 PM
Was the al-Jazeera website "unplugged"?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/29984.html