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jin choung
06-02-2004, 12:30 AM
howdy fellows,

just saw the south park movie on tv (comedy central)... it started past midnight and it was tremendously profane! they did not bleep a SINGLE WORD!

anyhoo, recently, i've come to observation that a great deal of the cg art community is actually surprisingly (to me) conservative.

especially the cgtalk moderators it seems....

i always got the impression that artists were in general out for the super freak out... but i didn't anticipate that 'computer art' would sway that demographic.

anyhoo, i thought i would use the south park movie as a barometer:

what say you? yay or nay?

jin

p.s. i'll just come right out and say that in terms of world view, i'm pretty much into the super freak out.

in d&d terms, i believe i would qualify as CHAOTIC GOOD (believe it: i'm THAT NERDY).

(digression: i used to think that the D&D alignment thing was a remarkably good way of describing people. but y'know what? it is actually quite lacking... although my world view is personality is chaotic good, my work guise is very much LAWFUL NEUTRAL... guess we're more complex than i thought)

it goes without saying that there's nothing wrong with being lawful... though being evil may be problematic :)....

Matt
06-02-2004, 02:30 AM
Jin, are you okay?

Red_Oddity
06-02-2004, 04:02 AM
I thought it was a brilliant laugh...

ps. Jin, what have you been smoking these days :D

kmscottmoore
06-02-2004, 07:37 AM
Jin,

There was no option to check BOTH. The movie is 'hurt yourself from laughing too hard funny', but I wouldn't watch it with Grandma in the room. Likewise, South Park is a cartoon, and is about children, but it definitely is not FOR children.

The main theme of the movie, after all, is censorship. The message could be summed as: 'I shouldn't tell you what you can watch or listen to just because I don't want to see or hear something.' However, I think we can make a distinction between keeping inappropriate material from children and letting adults choose for themselves. Too often, 'protecting the children' is used as a shield for censorship. (Which is also covered in the movie.)

The FCC has said that after Midnight, pretty much anything goes. (Although I wouldn't expect all-night porno anytime soon.) Which is why Comedy Cental can broadcast the movie, swear words included. However, all of the CG chat boards (this one included) are private interprises, so it is up to the owners of the boards to determine the rules of what is acceptable.

jin choung
06-02-2004, 08:24 AM
howdy fellows,

yeah... been picking wild mushrooms at griffith park and i'm starting to notice some unbelievably... interesting... colors... such... pretty... colors....

hey km,

say is km your title? or your first name?

yah, i agree, it is both genius and highly offensive... but i figured i'd keep it simple - it's supposed to be a gauge of personality after all.

and absolutely, these are private boards and they can choose whatever standards that they want... but, it's just that it was surprising to me that the opinions of many of the members actually leaned toward 'pretty darn conservative'.

as i said, i'm just one mushroom short of advocating total anarchy so such mores may not be my personal cup o tea but there's certainly nothing wrong with it per se - just surprising.

jin

Tom Wood
06-02-2004, 08:27 AM
Yeah, Parker and Stone have been pissed off at the MPAA/Jack Valenti ever since they got an X rating for Orgasmo. There's a line in SPBL&U where they point out that any level of violence is rated less, but dirty words get an X, or something like that. (Dang, now I'm gonna have to watch it again.) Valenti has said that, in retrospect, they should have given SPBL&U an X too.

"Blame Canada" was nominated for an Oscar and the Awards ceremony producer asked them if they would censor their own song by rewriting some of the lyrics for TV. I don't remember how that played out.

Getting back to CG, there's a 'making of' special on one of the cable channels that goes through the process (while Trey and Matt comment while lounging in a hot tub with a Laotian 'boy'). They made exactly one episode using colored paper, then went to computer. I've heard they use Maya. There are screenshots in the 'making of' that show all the elements of a scene in blueline against a white background as each piece is animated.

TW

jin choung
06-02-2004, 08:48 AM
howdy tom,

yeah, there is indeed a line like that... just unbelievably apt in this 'post nipple (janet jackson's) ' era.

the mpaa is a strange strange beast... and america in general has an odd predilection toward violence over sex and expressions of controversial ideas.

we don't like the boat rocked. we shoot the boat rockers.... with a hip mounted autocannon....

HEY.....

here's hoping for hardcore pornography after midnight! now there's ratings gold! that would give sweeps an all new kind of fevered, disease ridden intensity!

places of work everywhere would suffer massive tardiness! Tivos would be burning out across the nation.

and after all, isn't that what makes america great? the proliferation of affordable, high quality pornography?

sniff....

jin

p.s. oh yeah, i heard that they went to a 3d app too which is an odd choice... i would have thought that after effects or even FLASH (!!!) would be a more expedient path. but at the time that i heard, i heard they went to power animator (of all things!).

kmscottmoore
06-02-2004, 09:02 AM
Jin,

KM is actually a contaction of my first two names. (It's a hill billy thing, kind of like Billy-Bob) There are a lot of Scott Moores out there, so I use that to distinguish myself. The lack of punctuation is an artsy thing, just because I can.

As far as the 3D on South Park:

I thought they were using Animo. It seems to make more sense than a full-on 3D app. Although the last two seasons have had some obviously full-3D elements. (Particularly the spin-arounds in the intro.)
http://www.animo.com/index.htm

The original short was done in contstruction paper, as well as a good part of the first season. I think it was the second season when they moved to computerized production. There is definitley a different 'look' to those episodes.

P.S. Shut your #@$%ing face, Uncle #@$%er!

kmscottmoore
06-02-2004, 09:22 AM
The animation could also be this:

http://www.usanimation.com/products/toonshader/

or this:

http://www.usanimation.com/products/USAnimation/

Looks like toon book bought USAnimation (I thought it used to be a different company, but I could be wrong)

jin choung
06-02-2004, 09:25 AM
cool. km it is.

haha... actually, I used animo... used to do tv cartoons.

pretty good app and really helped me come to a good understanding on compositing.

ludicrously expensive though. i guess 2d animation has no consumer/prosumer component so it's priced into the stratosphere.

that inexplicably god-hating french kid was hilarious.... so young and yet, so bitter.

jin

Tom Wood
06-02-2004, 09:43 AM
Maya

http://www.mayaassociation.fsbusiness.co.uk/bro-southpark.htm

http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/faqview.html?id=15293

Google: maya south park

Dunno about the first season, the 'making of' documentary implied it was just the first show done in paper.

TW

kmscottmoore
06-02-2004, 09:59 AM
Good find, Tom Wood!

A quote from the link:

"The technical directors also decided to go with Alias/Wavefront MAYA. One of its major selling points was the quality of its renderer."

Now, that's the first time I've ever heard THAT!!

One of the links that I posted above is actually a shader for MAYA. The article you posted didn't specifically say, but I wouldn't be suprised if they were using it.

cgolchert
06-03-2004, 06:27 AM
Maya does a great job of rendering a scan of construction paper on a polygon. :)


I would have found the movie more offensive if the regular show wasn't swearing all the time and beeing bleeped out. It took much of the impact away when you hear the characters swearing for years and then they are suddenly shocked to hear the same words in a T&P movie. After that it was just the series without the censors.

The FCC also allows for uncensored language if given enought warning. This is what they did with the episode where everyone said sh*t. THey warned the audience more than a week in advanced. They also used it to take the meaning of the word sh*t away by "explaining" these "curse words".

Tom Wood
06-11-2004, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by jin choung
and after all, isn't that what makes america great? the proliferation of affordable, high quality pornography?

Nah, THIS is what makes America great. From SNOW CRASH:

Why is the Deliverator so equipped? Because people rely on him. He is a roll model. This is America. People do whatever the **** they feel like doing, you got a problem with that? Because they have a right to. And because they have guns and no one can ****ing stop them. As a result, this country has one of the worst economies in the world. When it gets down to it - talking trade balances here - once we've brain-drained all our technology into other countries, once things have evened out, they're making cars in Bolivia and microwave ovens in Tadzhikistan and selling them here - once our edge in natural resources has been made irrelevant by giant Hong Kong ships and dirigibles that can ship North Dakota all the way to New Zealand for a nickel - once the Invisible Hand has taken all those historical inequities and smeared them out into a broad global layer of what a Pakistani brickmaker would consider to be prosperity - y'know what? There's only four things we do better than anyone else

music
movies
microcode (software)
high-speed pizza delivery

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.
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0553380958/qid=1087004030/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_2/102-3216540-8300148

jin choung
06-11-2004, 08:42 PM
meh....

we have the most bodacious, bionic, and acrobatic porn actresses on the planet. it is WE who have perfected the various combinatorial possibilities amongst groups of performers. along with innovation in engineering, americans have boldly blazed a trail of innovation in - ahem - the carnal disciplines... ahem.

they can outsource our call centers, they can take our lives, but they'll never take our...

... PORNOGRAPHY!!!

the san fernando valley knows no equal.

and i daresay that we do porn better, and with greater economic success than any of the other cited industry successes.

i say it again, it is what makes vhs and america... great. sniff.

jin

Tom Wood
06-11-2004, 08:59 PM
LOL

Darttman
06-12-2004, 11:31 AM
So... I see the next logical step in American industry is virtual porn (micro code and real time experience) So LW is suited for this do to the "beautiful" render engine?

Jin,

You always keep a fresh topic. And no you aren't nutz you just flaunt it more than the rest of us "old fartz".