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marc
05-12-2004, 03:46 PM
Hello, everyone,

I'm a Lightwave artist and am seriously thinking of buying a VT3 for uncompressed editing of my animations. As long as it's SD or less resolution this will be the tool to have, right?

Well, what I would like to know is how - if necessary - I should upgrade my current hardware to make VT3 run. Or is a brand new computer the only option?

Here are my current machine's specs:
* Dual Athlon MP 2800+ (2.133 GHz)
* Tyan Thunder K7 Mainboard
* 2GB Infineon registered RAM
* 100GB Western Digital HD (IDE ATA)
* 80 GB IBM HD (IDE ATA)
* GeForce FX5200
* Simple Firewire Card

I can imagine that the rather simple hard drive arrangement could be a problem. Although I have to say that I don't really need fancy realtime effects, just hard cuts, dissolves and fades. So basically if I can playback one rendered stream smoothly it'll do for now.

Let me know what you think.

Cheers,
Marc

sbrandt
05-12-2004, 06:37 PM
MARC,

I'm seldom up to jumping in to give advice before any of the real "brainoids" from NewTek (like Paul 'fer instance), but in this case I feel uniquely qualified.

The first box I ever ran my VT on was also a Tyan Thunder K7 - S2462. The configuration to yours was very similar. There were two WD 120GB hard drives, 1GB of registered CAS2 Corsairs and a nVidia mx400 video card.

The first mistake I made was trying to run the VT in a 64bit 66MHz slot. Big mistake. The 64bit slot voltage is only 3.3 (if I remember correctly) and the 32bits were 5 volt. The 32bit slots are ok.

The MOST we were ever able to get out of it, reliably, was editing functionality with TEd. Forget multiple sources or switching. Also the K7 has no SSE2 and the rendering often is not realtime. It also might be too flakey for some people who don't like to deal with technoid stuff. We had to upgrade the bios, tweak the bios settings, twiddle with dma, fiddle with ide slots, replace the first power supply with the right one for the K7...adjust for skim... :D etc.

My voice of experience with the K7 says, "Keep the K7 and use it for your other graphics apps.
It does WONDERFULLY well with Premiere, VegasVideo, Photoshop, InDesign, GoLive, etc. Also use it to run your non work related apps on.

...Then build a good second box just for VT. My "most bang for the buck" VT box is a SuperMicro X5DAL-TG2 with WD 10k RPM raptors in raid0 and a WD 120GB for operating system. This board can use budget non registered memory and runs like a champ. You can use cheaper 7200RPM satas and still get enough horsepower to do everything you want.

However if ALL you want to do use use is TEd, then the K7 WILL get you by. But, barely. Without SSE2 there's just no real way to force it to run like a dual Xeon.

If you're intersted, I can post you a complete list of very good quality but buget goodies in our VT box. And also the good quality sources they came from. (Everything's from ZipZoomFly, Monarch or NewEgg. [Almost everything was free shipping from those companies])

sbrandt
05-12-2004, 06:57 PM
Oops...
I was talking here on my end and got distracted. I forget my last before before I hit "Submit Reply"...

If you're going to keep the K7, then the goodies you've listed should work. The VT will like the nVidia. You've got good CPU horsepower and the 2GB of memory is quite enough romping room for the system.

If it was my box, and I had to live with it, the only thing I'd do is add 2 or 3 more identical WD 100GB drives and software stripe them in raid-0. Then be prepared to fiddle and tweak a bit.

marc
05-14-2004, 01:17 AM
Thanks a lot for all the information! Should I finally come to the conclusion that I want to buy a toaster, I reckon I'll first give it a shot on my current machine. But I'm not really in the mood for tweaking a lot - feeling more and more lazy in that respect. So I might eventually end up with a new computer as well.

Marc

sbrandt
05-14-2004, 02:29 AM
Here's how I configured my VT starter box. You can add the extra processor, memory and drives as funds allow.



Motherboard $391

CPU $232
Memory $137 ECC registered
HD $84
$214
Video $105
Cables $23.95

Case $63.85
Power
Supply $102




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Motherboard
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produ...ductCode=242082

ZipZoomFly Part#:
242082
In Stock:

Manufacturer:
SUPERMICRO
Manufacturer SKU:
MBD-X5DAL-TG2-O
Our Price:
$391.00


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CPU
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produ...tCode=80920-533

ZipZoomFly Part#:
80920-533
In Stock:

Manufacturer:
INTEL
Manufacturer SKU:
BX80532KE2400D
Our Price:
$232.00


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Memory Sticks
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merc...uct_Code=140852

MONARCH
512 MB DDR (266) PC-2100 REG ECC Corsair Low Profile (CM72SD512RLP-2100)



Code: 140852
Price: $137
FREE SHIPPING


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VideoCard
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produ...ductCode=323256


ZipZoomFly Part#: 323256
In Stock:
Manufacturer: CHAINTECH
Manufacturer SKU: SA5500
Our Price: $105.00


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Hard Drives OS Drive
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produ...ductCode=101203

ZipZoomFly Part#:
101203
In Stock:
Manufacturer:
WESTERN DIGITAL
Manufacturer SKU:
WD1200BB

$84



Hard Drives VideoStorage
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merc...=SATAHardDrives

Code: 150239
Price: $214.00
Shipping Weight: 1.00 pounds
FREE SHIPPING

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Cables
http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merc..._Code=IDECables

Code: 270152

Price: $23.95

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CASE dual processor case with sufficent cooling 12 drive bays
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProdu...-124-033&depa=0

NEWEGG Part#: N82E16811124033

ENERMAX Black Server Case, 12- Bay ATX Entry Server Tower Screwless Entry with Locks, Model "CS-10181-B"
Model# CS-10181-B
Item # N82E16811124033
Motherboard Compatibility: ATX, Dual Xeon

$63.85


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POWER SUPPLY Antec True 550 EPS12V Power Supply (550W) this is the right PS for the Motherboard
http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_...roducts_id=1278

$102
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sbrandt
05-14-2004, 02:37 AM
Oh, oh...
That was a big mess.
The links truncated for some reason.
Here are working links...I hope...

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=242082

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=80920-533

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=140852

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=323256

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=101203

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=150239&Category_Code=SATAHardDrives

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=150239&Category_Code=SATAHardDrives

http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-124-033&depa=0

http://www.excaliberpc.com/product_info.php?cPath=208_209&products_id=1278