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Capt Lightwave
05-06-2004, 05:31 AM
Hey, Newtek!

This is really embarrassing.

What?

That fact that there's pirate-versions of LightWave 8 out on the net already, while users who has paid for the upgrade still hasn't got their copy yet....including me.

Exper
05-06-2004, 05:33 AM
We know...
pirates are faster than mail! :mad: :mad:

JeF
05-06-2004, 05:37 AM
Yep this sucks big time..
What about putting the basic LW8 file (not content) on Newtek site for those who have'nt got it yet!?

mkiii
05-06-2004, 05:51 AM
So how do you know that these are 'real' copies of LW8 & not some nasty porn involving a goat, a fat German housewife dressed as a cowboy & a selection of oddly shaped vegetables?

Warez distributors only have to send out one single copy, not thousands, and their after sales support is absolutely rubbish.

Exper
05-06-2004, 07:10 AM
Yes Sir! ;)

It's sad...
seeing pirate-versions while you're still waiting for your paid/original one!

Matt
05-06-2004, 07:12 AM
why have you even been looking? ;)

tjacobs
05-06-2004, 07:21 AM
While frustrating that you have not receive LW8 yet, it is not uncommon to see the products on the warez sites before their release. I have heard of popular movies on the warez sites before their release.

Capt Lightwave
05-06-2004, 07:29 AM
Originally posted by Matt
why have you even been looking? ;)

Hah, I KNEW this one was coming. :rolleyes:
Well, Matt, I haven't. Coincidence led me to it, and I resisted the temptation to grab it. Simple as that. I want my "toy" untampered with.;)

theo
05-06-2004, 07:46 AM
In an odd sort of Orwellian way these are the guys that are partly responsible for this international straitjacket that large corporations are bent on imposing upon the citizenry of the world.

It may not be as obvious and it may not be in your neck of the woods yet but believe me this infantile, binary-gangsterish behavior of Software cracking IS creating freedom-repressing laws as we speak.

The main thing is that we as professionals and hobbyists strive to maintain and encourage an ethically-mature software environment and literally reject any semblance of assistance to those who are engaged in this type of illegal behavior. It skews the system for those of us who stand behind and financially support efforts like the Newtek enterprise.

JeF
05-06-2004, 07:48 AM
I wonder if the pirated version is a retail one or the beta..
One in another i can't understand people who leaked it.

Isn't there a possibility to tag each copy with a specific number (speaking about the beta), so the one who leaked it could be easily found?

:rolleyes:

theo
05-06-2004, 08:03 AM
More than likely somebody in this community handed a COPY of their retail version to an out-of-work programmer "friend" probably somewhere in Nigeria or Croatia- gosh, that would be terrible if was a beta version, what a way to ruin the reps of beta-testers.

Karmacop
05-06-2004, 09:16 AM
Beta copys have user id's in the file so Newtek can track who leaked it. Not sure abuot the final version.

JeF
05-06-2004, 09:19 AM
Then it will be interseting to send Newtek a link to those pirated copies.

Exper
05-06-2004, 09:33 AM
Kill 'em all! :D

JeF
05-06-2004, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Exper
Kill 'em all! :D

Hum..
Starting by removing those one from the beta test list will be allready a good step.

:D

harlan
05-06-2004, 09:41 AM
Mmmmmmmmmmm....Oddly shaped vegetables!!! ;)

theo
05-06-2004, 10:25 AM
Harlan- you have an oddly-shaped head-:D

JeF
05-06-2004, 10:28 AM
We just entered the twilight zone..

:D

theo
05-06-2004, 10:32 AM
Jef- if your avatar is an indication of anything I think you've been there and back again:D

gregsduncan
05-06-2004, 10:34 AM
Or maybe you haven't come back yet ??? :D

JeF
05-06-2004, 10:36 AM
Originally posted by theo
Jef- if your avatar is an indication of anything I think you've been there and back again:D

I'm half there as you see.

:p

theo
05-06-2004, 10:43 AM
You are also a split personality according to your avatar. That can be useful, I guess, when multiversing.

harlan
05-06-2004, 12:06 PM
Wow...Theo and JeF just became my new best friends. Nice to see some others here with a quality sense of humor! ;)

WizCraker
05-06-2004, 12:33 PM
How cracking groups work, when I was working IT Security a few years back I had to do some research on this subject.

Software was almost always handed to the cracking groups by someone fromt the distributor. The cracks depending on what group it comes from unpacks the iso, cracks it, repackages it with the crack in the new ISO so the pirates don't have to search the world for a serial.

Also the package usually ships with a checksum so that you can verify that the crack has not been tampered with after it left the cracking group to the underground servers. You can always get a copy of the original checksum to verify from a location that it's only purpose is to have a database of all the nfo files for all cracked software, movies, audio cds.

The package will be spyware, virus, trojan free if it is the orrignal package.

Most people who download the cracked software never use it. They download it because they can. Most of the downloaders are script kiddies. Anyways that is what my research uncovered. Of course there is more like the entire underound is extremely organized and they have their own standards.

theo
05-06-2004, 12:36 PM
Harlan- I'm guessing you haven't read too many of my posts. I love the wacky and try to insert it as often as possible. Keeps the stress of lif a bit in check. Glad to hear you appreciate humor as well- we can always use something funny around here. So why don't you post your picture or something so we can get a good laugh- HAHAHA TEASING!! If I posted my face the Sasquatch people would be serving Newtek with a subpeona to release my personal information to their organization so they know where to launch their next expedition. HAHAHA.....

Plus its always fun to pick on the nuts in the forum of which I must proudly announce I am one as well... and it looks like, quite possibly, you may be a nut as well. :D

Para
05-06-2004, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by Matt
why have you even been looking? ;)

Because some of us don't have to look for this stuff. Unfortunately.

I WANT MY LW8! :mad:

Fausto
05-06-2004, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by mkiii
So how do you know that these are 'real' copies of LW8 & not some nasty porn involving a goat, a fat German housewife dressed as a cowboy & a selection of oddly shaped vegetables?

Warez distributors only have to send out one single copy, not thousands, and their after sales support is absolutely rubbish.

I had a dream like that once...


I reported a character that was selling LW to Newtek sometime back, a fellow out of Spain that was selling LW, 3D Max, Maya and a few other applications for ridiculously low prices. This cat was also using Ebay to generate traffic to his site. Well the NT fellow that I spoke to told me that they were aware of this guy and in fact were just in the process of issuing some sort of international warrant for him. He also told me that it was horrendously expensive to prosecute these guys, somewhere in the order of 25K per instance. I suspect that's dramatically more now. They spend a lot of time investigating before they drop the hammer.

I remember when 95 first came out, the pirates were the first to be selling the product, and MS had some 900 documented cases of a company selling the product before they moved ahead with the prosecution.

Cheers,

TSpyrison
05-06-2004, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by WizCraker
Most of the downloaders are script kiddies.

What the hell is a script kiddie?

theo
05-06-2004, 07:33 PM
Script Kiddie....Hmmm.....

Not sure what that is either but it sounds kinda lovable, fuzz-ballish- much too nice for softy pirates.:D

Script Kiddies.... Man, repeat that a coupla times and you just kinda want to chuckle or something.

Fasty
05-06-2004, 07:39 PM
I seriously doubt a real pirated version of lightwave 8 is available yet. Most likely 7.5 renamed as lw8 or something.

Para
05-07-2004, 01:32 AM
Originally posted by Fasty
I seriously doubt a real pirated version of lightwave 8 is available yet. Most likely 7.5 renamed as lw8 or something.

It definately is out with all the content etc. Originated from Japan.

Script kiddie is a (young) person that doesn't have any real hacking skills but instead the person uses scripts, hack programs etc. made by other people and P2P software to get illegal material. Kinda like the next step from a standard retarded web user.

Fasty
05-07-2004, 05:00 AM
Woah! :eek:

theo
05-07-2004, 05:11 AM
Japan!! Seat of software pirating iniquity- they oughta burn that place to the ground...:D

MiniFireDragon
05-07-2004, 06:34 AM
After I recieved my copy of 8, I was curios as to see if it made it to Kazaa yet. Yeap it did! Well, actually it wasn't Lightwave 8, it was Lightwave 9! I had to laugh at the suckers who downloaded that and got a surprise. I don't think the file size was really all that big either.

art
05-07-2004, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by Para
Kinda like the next step from a standard retarded web user.

And retarded indeed they are. How many systems have I seen brought to screeching halt by various adware/spyware/toolbars... etc.?
Too many... Im sure many of you know such users too.

They just click on anything that looks like an "important message" thinking it was just some good folks out there trying to help them...

I guess social engineering works.

WizCraker
05-07-2004, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Fasty
I seriously doubt a real pirated version of lightwave 8 is available yet. Most likely 7.5 renamed as lw8 or something.

It is not available by any cracking groups as of yet. Just checked.

Capt Lightwave
05-07-2004, 11:11 AM
Think again...

Original1
05-07-2004, 11:48 AM
Originally posted by JeF
Then it will be interseting to send Newtek a link to those pirated copies.

The One shown by Capt Lightwave is the one I have seen doing the rounds

Its is nowhere near big enough to be the full app judging by the file size


I believe that, the above pirated copy I have seen circulating was a cracked version of the Discovery Edition for Lightwave [8] and its source was probable NAB judging by the NFO posted with it.

I can find it and upload the NFO, the crack and what I think is the license of the machine it was stolen from to Newtek if you want. Working out how it was reverse engineered might give you guys an idea of how to better secure the next version. I am sure however that most of the programmers at Newtek know where to look.

However it was beaten to the Newsgroups by Maya 6, so its not just an issue for Newtek



It is totally galling to still be waiting for my Lightwave 8 upgrade, while others have cracked pirated copies, but thinking of all the extras on the 4 CD's has a soothing effect.

I am still working my way through Mirage 1.2 trying to work out whats new.

And my Macromedia Devnet CD's arrived so that enouugh for this weekend.

Para
05-07-2004, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by Original1
I believe that the one pirated copy I have seen circulating was a cracked version of the Discovery Edition for Lightwave [8] and its source was probable NAB judging by the NFO posted with it.


Or one of the betas since it also highlighted the build number in it which I find odd.

WizCraker
05-07-2004, 11:55 AM
Originally posted by Capt Lightwave
Think again...

It says it is only 31.1 MB that is not Lightwave 8. And what is that E-Donkey?

Capt Lightwave
05-07-2004, 12:11 PM
Ok, if you say so, sir. I have no idea what it is. There's no way in hell I'm downloading it either, so I'll just have to wait.

I can't help but wonder if an E-Donkey is better than an E-Monkey or a FX-Monkey.....sure could use one. :D

Original1
05-08-2004, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by WizCraker
It says it is only 31.1 MB that is not Lightwave 8. And what is that E-Donkey?

An E Donkey is what you end up being if you download its and the spyware kills your computer, I'll wait for my real version of LW 8

Abe Pagoda
05-09-2004, 09:18 AM
The 31 meg file posted over a week ago was a fully functioning copy of Lightwave 8 minus docs. It included working cracked exes with which to replace the originals. Before this replacement was done, the software ran in 'discovery mode', even though Newtek claims there will be no downloadable discovery edition for 8. Lightwave cracked exes are always half the size [or even smaller] than the originals. There must be lots of overhead in the dongle checking.

Two days after the above appeared a copy of newtek's own CD1 accompanied by the cracked exe files was released. The only real addition to the earlier release was the large but not very good docs installation.

A day after that, CD 2 content was released.

The next day the "SSG" Lightwave 8 dongle ID changer was released in case there are any problems with the dongle ID hard-coded into the current cracked version. Some users have had problems with certain plug ins failing upon detecting a cracked dongle ID.

Yesterday it was announced that all 4 CDs were available and would be posted soon as a 'ripped' version, but most of the classic content and most of CD 4 would be removed to make a handier download. Only the tutorials of CD 4 are to be retained.

In addition, "Mage" is to release a complete ISO of the 4 CD set.

There were many fake versions of 8 on edonkey for a while, but most of the current links for CD 1 + crack are real. They're about 157 megs.

I'm a paid upgrade customer so don't flame at me.

Fasty
05-09-2004, 05:03 PM
Hey Abe, Newtek could use someone like you on their anti-piracy team ;)

Abe Pagoda
05-09-2004, 08:24 PM
Newtek probably knows about these illegitimate releases before any of us do. I just browse sites located easily by Google for this information. Its very easy to find.

nerdyguy227
05-10-2004, 07:34 PM
Is Newtek going to do anythinng about it?

pauland
05-11-2004, 01:26 AM
Originally posted by Fasty
Hey Abe, Newtek could use someone like you on their anti-piracy team ;)

He'd need to give up his marketing work first...

oDDity
05-11-2004, 04:47 AM
THere's nothing newtek or any other software company can do about it. Every single app ever made has been cracked I would imagine, protections like dongles and flexlm are usless. Steve Worley is a master programmer, but all of his protections have been immediately cracked. I just don't think it's possible to make un-crackable software (while keeping the user-friendliness for legitimate buyers)

Like someone else said though, the number of people using cracked versions of software for commercial purposes is relativley small. Most downloaders maybe play with it for a few days and then add it to their warez collection.

MrWyatt
05-11-2004, 05:05 AM
Originally posted by oDDity
I just don't think it's possible to make un-crackable software.

The only way to do it is to make it hardware dependant like Compositing systems like flame or inferno. never heard of a cracked inferno version you could download anywhere.

Para
05-11-2004, 06:07 AM
Originally posted by MrWyatt
The only way to do it is to make it hardware dependant like Compositing systems like flame or inferno. never heard of a cracked inferno version you could download anywhere.

True. Just think of Video Toaster/VT3 as an another example.

If a man has created something, a man can also break it.

theo
05-11-2004, 07:13 AM
Well- you can still crack a VT3 (ballpeen hammers wok just fine) but to attain succcess in actually downloading it to another location illegally is going to have to rely on the emergence of a very advanced trasportation and dis/reassembly technology.

First the VT3 would have to be disassembled at the molecular level using atomic-extraction principles. This molecular information would then be converted into a code-soup whereupon this soup would be relayed through fiber-optics to a crackee in Misssissippi who has a molecular-assembler unit.

This molecular-assembler unit through its networked fiber-optic cable would re-unite the code-soup packet into a complex 3D-based gon-shape which would then be "printed".

Once the unit is printed as a silicon-based piece of matter the additional circuitry and relay properties would be added as a final step through the molecular-assemby unit. These abstract properties of electrical circuitry are all mathematics-based anyways so this stage is quite easy as the assembly unit has a 3D gon image already with every single atomic property of the VT3 already in code form down to the nano.

Imagine what we'll have to go through to buy software when this is possible. Maybe VTX's of the future will have to be genetically-imprinted. Of course VT3's may cease to have a purpose by then so this is all elementary.

Chazz
05-11-2004, 08:36 AM
I tried that once, but all I got was a pile of smelly goo.... :mad:

pauland
05-11-2004, 08:38 AM
Rumour has it that Newtek are using a matter transporter to distribute LW8, but the technology isn't quite there yet... (nor is LW8 here, either!)

theo
05-11-2004, 09:38 AM
Chazz- I would recommend investing in a particle accelerator module. There is a module out that is small enough to sit on your desktop yet plugs into the atomic-extractor- there is a slot on the right side below the fiber optic connector. This is more than likely the reason why your molecules are not breaking down into an iterative-like form that can be processed by the code converter.

Also decrease the temperature of the room to around 65 degrees this should help with the smell which is the result of the natural chemical bonds of the molecules being torn apart at the atomic level by the extractor, as well as the accelerator.

Hope this helps. :D

Chazz
05-11-2004, 09:47 AM
Ya know, I had one of those bad boys, but my roommate keeps taking it into the bathroom with her and so I never get to use it. :rolleyes:

theo
05-11-2004, 09:54 AM
You might want to keep that puppy away from her. One of these days you'll walk into the bathroom and slip and crack your skull on a pile of goo that was once your roommate.:D

oDDity
05-12-2004, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by MrWyatt
The only way to do it is to make it hardware dependant like Compositing systems like flame or inferno. never heard of a cracked inferno version you could download anywhere.

I doubt even that would work. If software manufacturers started doing that on a large scale, I'm sure we'd eventually see software emulators of the hardware components.

KillMe
05-12-2004, 11:09 AM
if i was half as resourceful as some of you guys and could find it i probally would download it - i'm begining to get seriously ticked off that my legitimate copy hasn't arrived yet :mad:

i ordered mine in JUNE last year!!

Original1
05-12-2004, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by KillMe
if i was half as resourceful as some of you guys and could find it i probally would download it - i'm begining to get seriously ticked off that my legitimate copy hasn't arrived yet :mad:

i ordered mine in JUNE last year!!

I could tell you but then I would have to kill you :D

theo
05-12-2004, 12:40 PM
I'd say he's asking for it- hehehe...:D

retinajoy
05-12-2004, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by KillMe
if i was half as resourceful as some of you guys and could find it i probally would download it

Ssshh. Here is the link...

<link removed by FBI>


http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel04/piracy021904.htm

nerdyguy227
05-12-2004, 07:46 PM
WOOOOOW!!!

I didn't know the fbi was watching us!

almost scary

Para
05-13-2004, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by nerdyguy227
WOOOOOW!!!

I didn't know the fbi was watching us!

almost scary

You live in USA, who do you think doesn't watch what you're doing?

KillMe
05-13-2004, 04:41 AM
damn the FBI :D hehe

just curious though - if i got my hands on the program - i bought lightwave last june not upgraded so would my serial number for my 7.5 not be the one for my copy of 8 too? so couldn't i regisiter it even though i haven't recieved the cd's yet?

if so i will pay someone to burn me copies of the cd and send them to me

pauland
05-13-2004, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by KillMe
would my serial number for my 7.5 not be the one for my copy of 8 too?

How many upgrades of LW8 would Newtek sell to LW7.5 users, do you think, if that were the case?

Paul

KillMe
05-13-2004, 04:48 AM
hehehehehehehhehehe forget it peopel the psotman jsut came through for me =) time to get this puppy installed