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Pack Rat 24
02-17-2004, 08:56 AM
Will VT[3] work with dual Opterons at 2.2 Ghz?

Thanks!

videoguy
02-17-2004, 09:23 AM
yes it will work however according to Newtek the best Bang for the buck is Still Dual Xeons . I highly recomend that you go with dual xeon 2.8s with hyperthreading and either an IWILL or supermicro motherboard this will give you the absolute best performance

Pack Rat 24
02-17-2004, 01:08 PM
Anybody else?

Also, could anybody suggest a motheboard fom SuperMicro or IWILL? I'm a little in the dark when it comes to those two companies...

Thanks!

Tom Wood
02-17-2004, 01:22 PM
I bought a BOXX, but I think they use standard components, maybe check what they are doing.

www.boxxtech.com

Mine is a dual 2.4G Xeon (8 months old, so 2.8G is probably the price point now) and I think it's a 7505 SuperMicro(???) Dunno, I just plug and play. :p

TW

SBowie
02-17-2004, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by Pack Rat 24
Anybody else?

Also, could anybody suggest a motheboard fom SuperMicro or IWILL? I'm a little in the dark when it comes to those two companies...

Thanks! Though there are numerous good choices, the majority would likely tell you that the Super Micro XD5A8 is the top of the heap.

Pack Rat 24
02-17-2004, 02:05 PM
Do you mean This One? (http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/MotherBoards/E7505/X5DA8.htm)

SBowie
02-17-2004, 02:07 PM
Yes, sorry about the typo (which I make REGULARLY!)

X5DA8
X5DA8
X5DA8
X5DA8
X5DA8
X5DA8...

Pack Rat 24
02-17-2004, 02:13 PM
No Problem :D

Ivan
02-17-2004, 02:16 PM
That's the one I have and it works great. I just built one with an X5DAL-TG2 board and it works great as well. The difference is the X5DA8 has onboard 320 SCSI controlers and the X5DAL-TG2 has onboard SATA controlers. Though you can get SATA drives cheaper, the price of the 10K SATA drives is getting close to the price of SCSI drives.

Ivan

Pack Rat 24
02-18-2004, 03:49 PM
Previously to finding out that most people use SuperMicro or IWILL with their systems, I had been looking at This (http://usa.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=PC-DL%20Deluxe&langs=09) motherboard...DO you think this would do as well/better then the SM X5DA8?

bradl
02-18-2004, 09:03 PM
No 64-bit PCI slots which are highly recommended if you plan on using SCSI.

No SCSI only SATA running at 32-bit/33MHz, you will not get great real-time performance.

Sledgehammer
02-19-2004, 05:30 PM
Get the X5DA8. It works well, has built-in Dual Channel U320 SCSI, and since lots of others have great working systems with it, you will have a plethora of people to help you in time of need.

Better yet, have your local VT dealer make a system for you. If you haven't built a lot of systems before, building your VT system isn't the time to start experimenting.

Go SCSI. It works.

Pack Rat 24
02-19-2004, 05:53 PM
Well, this is my planned set-up so far...

Dual Xeons at 3.2 Ghz...may hold off though...heard there are some new, better ones coming in the next quarter, maybe April

Supermicro X5DA8

Medea Videoraid RTR 320 GB version

ATI FireGL X2 Video Card

Crucial memory...how much do you guys think would be best?

As for the system hard drive...I'm not sure of which type I should use (ATA/100, SATA, EIDE, etc)

DVD-ROM Drive and DVD +- R/RW Burner

Audigy 2 Platinum Pro

If you guys think there's anything else that could be improved on, mention something please.

Thanks for all of your help so far!

videoguy
02-19-2004, 06:00 PM
I would hold out as welll INtel is going to release some 64 bit xeon chips in quarter 2 2004

Pack Rat 24
02-19-2004, 06:03 PM
I was reading an article and read 64-Bit ready, 3.6 Ghz, and 800 FSB all in the same sentence and thought...better hold off, lol

Sledgehammer
02-19-2004, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Pack Rat 24


ATI FireGL X2 Video Card


Audigy 2 Platinum Pro




ARRRRRRRRGHHHH!

NO ATI CARDS!!!

Go with an nVidia Chipset card. A FX 5200 with 128mb of ram with be great.

And as for the Audigy, your mb will have on-board audio, and the VT won't use the Audigy.

SBowie
02-19-2004, 07:17 PM
Ya know, I'm still not sold on the 5200 - just today again I read two reports of people in two different forums running 5200's and finding odd UI issues at 1280 and 2560 X 1024. I know not everyone is seeing these things, and it's not like nVidia doesn't constnatly update drivers, but for me I'd still spend a few extra bucks until there is no question about this.

Pack Rat 24
02-19-2004, 07:29 PM
SBowie: So, what would your choice be then?

Sledgehammer: Are there any sound cards that are known t work with VT?

SBowie
02-19-2004, 09:10 PM
The 256 meg 5700's seem fast and solid, though certainly somewhat more expensive. The 5900 series looks amazing, but I haven't tried one yet.

Scott Bates
02-20-2004, 12:15 AM
I'm waiting for my new LeadTek 256meg nVidia 5700 series card to arrive from Newegg (at $160 I couldn't see $400+ for the 5950 cards). I'll let you know how it goes, but at 8x my current 32meg nVidia card it should make a difference, especially driving the two new 19" BenQ FP951 LCD monitors that are coming with it. Combined with a jump from 1 to 2 gig of RAM and 1.7 to 2.4GHz Xeons I'll be maxing out my SuperMicro PD4C6+.

Thanks to lots of last minute Christmas jobs with carry-over into January, it's feeling like Christmas in February around here.

:D :D :D

SBowie
02-20-2004, 05:57 AM
Nice going, Scott - you'll love that card, I'm quite certain!

Pack Rat 24
02-20-2004, 06:27 AM
The reason I went with the FireGL X2 was that it's a super powerful video card with dual DVI outputs...

Sledgehammer
02-20-2004, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by Pack Rat 24
The reason I went with the FireGL X2 was that it's a super powerful video card with dual DVI outputs...


....... and....?


NewTek recommends nVidia chipset cards. Want power? Get a Quadro4 980 xgl.

Sledgehammer
02-20-2004, 11:55 AM
Or a QuadroFX1000, 1100, 2000 or 3000.

Pack Rat 24
02-20-2004, 01:42 PM
Ok, you've convinced me on the video card...I'm looking at This One (http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_3000g.html)

Anything else?

Also, I don't think anybody really told me if they know of any sound cards that would work with VT...

As Always, thanks for the help

Sledgehammer
02-20-2004, 05:26 PM
The QuadroFX 3000 and 3000G differ only in the G's inclusion of a fancy genlock that allows you to A) sync the monitor output to another source [handy for on-set film work] and B) allows you to sync multiple systems together to form a big display [like a video wall]

If you are not going to do either one, forget the G and get the standard FX 3000

David
02-22-2004, 01:46 AM
The FX 3000G is essentially the same as a FX 5900 series except for some little tricks like the monitor syc you like. If you go to www.guru3d.com you will see softquadra and RivaTuner;

"The purpose of this utility is to give you access to all the undocumented features of Detonator and Catalyst drivers. Drivers have a lot of undocumented registry entries. Some of them donít affect anything, but there are some that are very useful. In general, they cannot give you big performance boost but they can improve image quality and solve some compatibility problems. RivaTuner will help you to change all undocumented registry entries. It supports all versions of Detonators (now called ForceWare) drivers under Windows 98 / Windows 98 SE / Windows ME (Detonator 5.08 or higher under Windows 2000 / Windows XP)."

Quadro series are just a marketing scam similar to pentium processors that are underclocked from the factory.

goto this link to read more

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163

Pack Rat 24
02-22-2004, 08:09 AM
So really, I should go with a FX 5900? I'm kinda confused now....

ScorpioProd
02-22-2004, 03:15 PM
FireGL cards are strong on OpenGL but week on DirectDraw, aren't they? If so, that's not a good VT[3] card.

Pack Rat 24
02-22-2004, 03:31 PM
I've Found This Board (http://www.iwillusa.com/products/ProductDetail.asp?vID=171&CID=91) From IWILL, and figured that it'd do pretty well, right?

Or is a lack of 64 bit PCI slots the killer for this one as well...

P.S.

What's so important about the 64 bit slots, anyway?

videoguy
02-22-2004, 04:14 PM
the reason 64 bit slots are a must is that because they are a serperate bus then the 32 bit slots which means you can have the toaster card on a seprate buss then your raid controller to give you the maximum throughput possible. If you put the toaster and raid controller on a 32 bit bus together they can easily saturate the bus

Pack Rat 24
02-22-2004, 05:34 PM
OK then, what about PCI-X, the latest, greatest version of PCI. Does that run on a seperate bus?

Also, found this one (http://www.iwillusa.com/products/ProductDetail.asp?vID=153&CID=91), should work, right?

Also, found This one too (http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderi7505.html)...I'm kinda likeing this one the best...it's from Tyan...

David
02-23-2004, 01:13 AM
unless you have alot of work to complete I'd wait untill PCI-Express comes out and 64bit Xeons. you will be sorry you didn't wait like I was when I brought my P4dc6+ supermicro and the SUPER X5DA8 came out.

If you really can't wait buy the SUPERMIRO X5DA8. Also new video cards will use PCI Express.

David
02-23-2004, 02:08 AM
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,1533061,00.asp

"High-definition (HD) video is coming to the PC and adoption of PCI Express is the best route for it to travel, according to Intel, Pinnacle and ATI. The three companies presented talks, asserting that editing of HD video will be best done over PCI Express.

PCI Express has several key advantages over AGP. For starters, it's about twice as fast as current-generation AGP 8X -- a 16-lane PCI Express link has 4GB of throughput versus AGP 8X's 2.1GB/sec. Secondly, PCI Express has a full-duplex interface, meaning that data can be in flight in both directions simultaneously. AGP is only a half-duplex interface, so data can be going from system memory to graphics memory or vice versa, but not both at the same time. "

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004Feb/gee20040211023816.htm

"Where does this lead us? Well, it's likely the nVidia NV40 and ATI R420 will be the last AGP-supported cards these firms ever make. But this leaves everyone in a nasty quandary, as no one is selling PCI Express motherboards right now. Thus, anything you buy today is guaranteed to be completely obsolete within two years. Thus far only VIA has announced a chipset that will mount both AGP and PCI Express slots.

I have a sinking feeling that there are going to be an awful lot of graphics cards on the junk heap this time next year."

Moral of this story
If you buy now your video card will be extinct very soon. not to mention your motherboard and CPU.

Ivan
02-23-2004, 02:55 AM
QUOTE]Moral of this story [/QUOTE]
If you buy now your video card will be extinct very soon. not to mention your motherboard and CPU.

This is no different than it has been for the last 20 years, why should it change now.

Ivan

Aegis
02-23-2004, 05:42 AM
Thus, anything you buy today is guaranteed to be completely obsolete within two years. Thus far only VIA has announced a chipset that will mount both AGP and PCI Express slots

Umm... is this right? I only ask 'cause my SuperMicro motherboard has a PCI-X slot as well as AGP, 32-bit and 64-bit PCI - is PCI-X the same as PCI Express? If not then what exactly is it? :confused:

dwburman
02-23-2004, 04:11 PM
Aegis:
PCI-X and PCI-Express are not the same thing. I don't know much more about the topic than that. Here's the web site though:
http://www.pcisig.com/specifications

All:
I am toasterless but I may get a VT3 this year. My PC was built with that in mind (5XDA8 - Dual 2.66Ghz - 2 GB RAM) but since I use it for LW now I have a 3DLabs Wildcat VP870 graphics card in it. Am I gonna have to replace that card? That'd suck.

Sledgehammer
02-23-2004, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by David
Thus, anything you buy today is guaranteed to be completely obsolete within two years. ...
If you buy now your video card will be extinct very soon. not to mention your motherboard and CPU.

If you buy now, you will edit now, make money now, and two years down the road have made more than your money back.

And two years from now, PC companies will have something newer "just a year away" to hold off on.

There will always be something newer. Get something that works.

Pack Rat 24
02-23-2004, 04:31 PM
I have a sinking feeling that there are going to be an awful lot of graphics cards on the junk heap this time next year."

Moral of this story
If you buy now your video card will be extinct very soon. not to mention your motherboard and CPU.

Or it means that the Video Card-less people can pick up the 9800 XT's for Pennies on the Dollar!

Sledgehammer
02-23-2004, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by David
you will be sorry you didn't wait like I was when I brought my P4dc6+ supermicro and the SUPER X5DA8 came out.


Actually, I have a client with two VT3's, one a p4dc6+, the other a X5DA8. He is quite pleased with both, but the p4dc6+, with 2gb of PC800 ram and dual 2.4's, is faster than the dual 3.06 with 2gb of ddr.



If you really can't wait buy the SUPERMIRO X5DA8. Also new video cards will use PCI Express.
If the PCI express is on the same bus as the SCSI controller or VT card, this would suck sooooo much bandwidth and cause a nasty choke.

Having not seen a design on a mb yet, it's awfully hard to say, but AGP works now, the X5da8 works now,

Sledgehammer
02-23-2004, 04:34 PM
.... and who knows what conflicts the PCI Express will cause in the future.

Paul Lara
02-24-2004, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by Sledgehammer
If the PCI express is on the same bus as the SCSI controller or VT card, this would suck sooooo much bandwidth and cause a nasty choke.

That's the sweet thing about PCI Express, Kim...each slot has its OWN 2GB/sec 'lane' for direct memory access!

Sledgehammer
02-24-2004, 04:21 PM
That's cool, Paul.

It sounds like PCI Express could more of a retooling of the PCI standard and the way it accesses memory, instead of a whole new card spec. Time to go look it up on the web!

Pack Rat 24
02-24-2004, 04:29 PM
Don't you just love new standards?

David
02-26-2004, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Ivan
QUOTE]Moral of this story

This is no different than it has been for the last 20 years, why should it change now.

Ivan [/QUOTE]

This is different because a change like this only comes every 8-10 years!!! Like when we went from ISA to PCI!!!