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jin choung
02-05-2004, 01:29 AM
howdy fellows,

i just realized something and i thought i'd share.

anyhoo, you always hear about how 'networking' is an important part of adult life and for many, it's a primary step in building a career.

well, personally, i've always felt that schmoozing with an ulterior motive (i know i know, 'is there any other kind?') was a ruther slimey and smarmy thing. i'm looking at people with an eye towards how best they can be of use to me... ?!

ick.

but the thing that just dawned on me was how i haven't had to schmooze... i don't network. AT ALL. i don't go to functions that i 'should' and i don't hang out with people i don't want to. and all the friends that i have from work are gratefully just that - friends! and not stepping stones.

don't get me wrong, if i could help somebody i knew out with a job or somesuch i'd be glad to do it... heck, they don't even have to be all that close. but i'm just grateful i don't have to have a subliminal angle on others.

anyhoo, i just realized that the one reason that i hadn't had to resort to networking was head hunters. at least here, the arrangement is upfront and compensated. nothing oblique about the motives. and i like that.

anyhoo, just an observation and an expression of gratitude that adult life hasn't turned out to be as unpleasant as i feared.

jin

p.s. ah, if only ALL of life was so refreshingly upfront. if prostitution were legalized, perhaps we could just obviate the need for b.s. altogether! :)

jamesl
02-05-2004, 03:36 AM
Yeah! Headhunters are second only to the classified ads for career advancement. Kick as-s! Actually, I find walking down the street naked with a sandwich board that reads 'Will animate for food' gets the best response.

j

jamesl
02-05-2004, 03:47 AM
I'm sorry if that sounded sarcastic, but headhunters place people for a price, while networking people are hired on merit, because if I help someone get hired and they suck, it's my butt on the line. Headhunters are abstracted away from accountability. I don't know why that would make you feel uncomfortable.

j

jin choung
02-05-2004, 01:56 PM
everyone's hired on merit. it's my work that gets me hired or not.

as i said, the thing that i like is that i don't have to schmooze for the sake of advancing my carreer. i like the idea that friends are friends and not pathways to advancement.

shrug.

jin

riki
02-05-2004, 05:54 PM
I understand where your coming from, but I think you're giving it a bad spin.

A lot of the best referrals, recommendations etc come from your friends, even people you don't like, but know socially. Also a lot of your clients will also become good friends. So invariable you end up having to mix with them socially.

It's the whole "word of mouth" thing in practice. Someone raves about the great job you did, introduces you to a collegue who eventually goes on to recommend you to their boss.

Your not fishing for opportunites, just having a beer, taking krap, exchanging business cards, emails etc

I need someone who specialises in print media, I call him, he/she needs someone who does 3d they call me. It's just networking with your mates, just looking after each other.

Head Hunters might be great, but I hate fronting up to an interview, where I'm asking for something. "PS give me a job!" It's like cold canvasing, you have no power and they naturally assume you must be krap or they'd be chasing after you. Trying to poach you from the competition.

jin choung
02-05-2004, 06:16 PM
hey riki,

yah that happens too. i know a lot of genuine friends that do end up hooking me up with positions and opportunities and viceversa. and that's fine and good.

so i guess there's a 'natural way' in which it happens and an 'unnatural way'.

i guess i'm just grateful it's never had to come down to the unnatural way. but i have been in situations where you can smell the hunger and self interest in the room and that's kinda sickening.

jin

p.s. what do you mean by your last paragraph? like 'fronting up to an interview'?

riki
02-05-2004, 06:58 PM
Hey Jin

I just think the context in which your work is seen, can play a big part in how it's recieved. Of course quality is essential, but delivery and context is also important.

I also think that people are often more receptive to your work, when they discover it in their own time. Checking your website or something like that.

As opposed to the interview situation, where
you find yourself sitting before a panel of 6 marketing exectives, projecting images from a laptop onto a white screen.

I've never used a Head Hunter, but I imagine they'd refer you to different cleints and you'd have to go through the whole interview process.

I have to say, I really suck at interviews. For me it's like extracting bone marrow. Just something I'd rather avoid. Whereas having a business meeting with a client is a totally differnt story. I feel confident, in control, the work looks good, they're happy, everything flows smoothly.

Just a personal thing I guess.

Freak
02-05-2004, 09:30 PM
jin wrote:

"anyhoo, just an observation and an expression of gratitude that adult life hasn't turned out to be as unpleasant as i feared.

jin

p.s. ah, if only ALL of life was so refreshingly upfront. if prostitution were legalized, perhaps we could just obviate the need for b.s. altogether! "


You are a lucky man Jin, Adult life has turned out just as crap as i expected (hmmm maybe a lesson in that)...

Okay it's been giving me some surprises lately, but never good ones!

And i so agree with the upfront comment, one day i'll learn the secret as to why everyone, dislikes the truth so much.......??

I swear i'm surrounded by bullsh-it 24/7..... It's like a conspiracy....

Hell i'd take any part of life to be honest and up front.....
I swear i live in the twilight zone!!!
(but then most people already know that!)

:)

Hervé
02-05-2004, 11:40 PM
Haha had a good laugh.... well all I can say is from ALL my friends, none are in the same business as me... so if we go at one of my friends home (diner for exemple...) we talk about everything, I mean everything, but two things are prohibited (naturally prohibited ), "Jobs and Money".... but I recall some older friends where the only conversation was "Jobs & Money", and it was painful..... ha ha, not for me...!

So in Fact Jin, you want everyone to stand in its place, Monks are Monks, Friends are Friends, my Mom is ...my Mom.... but now what if your Mom runned Pixar, would you wash the dishes in a buger king ?

(No insults in regards of your venerable Mother)

This is a cool subject and we could talk a lot about it..... but do we really want this ?

badllarma
02-06-2004, 12:35 AM
Ah well net working to add to the other posts I have one creative friend who is an illustrator all the rest are in totally different lines of work one is even in the police :rolleyes:
Anyway once every couple of months my illustrator friend and I have a Wednesday afternoon get together in various city centre pubs discussing art, media, work etc talking with someone within the creative area is always very refershing and of course a good laugh.

The only problem is our gf's have finally sussed it out that these "creative discussions" always involve drinking far too much beer :D
There was even a tempory ban put in place a few months ago after he fell asleep on the bus home and missed the stop by a good few miles! :D

riki
02-06-2004, 12:43 AM
I mainly build web sites for a living so I guess it doesn't really matter who I talk to, I could be talking to a future client.

Hervé
02-06-2004, 12:45 AM
ah ah, that's a good one !! Did the bus driver woke him up... like "Hey Sir , that is the terminal Station...."

Hervé
02-06-2004, 12:46 AM
.... and you're mainly right Riki....!

jin choung
02-06-2004, 01:57 AM
hey herve,

actually, your comment about my mom brings up a good point.

i HATE NEPOTISM! god.... if there's ever someone in a company who is DANGEROUSLY INCOMPETENT, it's very probably somebody who's related to somebody!!!

so yah, i do like keeping things nice and clear and upfront with no strings attached.

but again, there's a way that genuine friendship leads to other things naturally. i just take issue with the unnatural world of ulterior motives.

and that brings to mind a very clear example of networking gone crazy which is CRONYISM. the good ol' boys club and such... yeck. yeah stuff like that in general and halliburton in specific just rubs me the wrong way.

and freak,

my deepest condolences about the level of bs that surrounds ya. i find that rolling my eyes and putting on my headphones helps. anyhoo, hopefully you'll see better days.

jin

badllarma
02-06-2004, 03:13 AM
Originally posted by Hervé
ah ah, that's a good one !! Did the bus driver woke him up... like "Hey Sir , that is the terminal Station...."

Yup thats the one Hervé :D
he had to wait for 1/2 hour for the next one back in the direction he came from. His gf was well impressed with him rolling in at about 11pm afer going out at dinner, steaming drunk :D

Bloody good illustrator though just done some work for Passion Pictures if your into your rock music and have seen the latest Offspring Video "Hit That" he desiged the concepts/orginal designs for the masks all the characters are wearing in the video.