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robertoortiz
05-16-2019, 06:05 AM
Adobe is warning some owners of its Creative Cloud software applications that they’re no longer allowed to use older versions of the software. It’s yet another example of how in the modern era, you increasingly don’t actually own the things you’ve spent your hard-earned money on.

Adobe this week began sending some users of its Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Premiere, Animate, and Media Director programs a letter warning them that they were no longer legally authorized to use the software they may have thought they owned.



“We have recently discontinued certain older versions of Creative Cloud applications and and a result, under the terms of our agreement, you are no longer licensed to use them,” Adobe said in the email. “Please be aware that should you continue to use the discontinued version(s), you may be at risk of potential claims of infringement by third parties.”
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/a3xk3p/adobe-tells-users-they-can-get-sued-for-using-old-versions-of-photoshop?utm_source=creatorsfbus&fbclid=IwAR2pI3amw-ZCMyWwfQV0kKWOY_cE8u2nKxwl-7d88xQ-E8iuR_TGjfQvAyM

Markc
05-16-2019, 11:23 AM
The sad thing is, this is probably all detailed in the eula, which absolutely nobody reads (who would).
Glad I changed to Affinity.

Greenlaw
05-16-2019, 12:26 PM
My understanding is that they're talking about older versions of their CC software. Apparently the versions in question have Dolby code that wasn't properly licensed and is currently in litigation. I'm not sure how this makes the user liable but I guess they're covering their bases.

Not sure why anybody would want to use older versions of CC anyway, unless it's for compatibility with older plugins I guess. FWIW, most plugins developers for AE, like Red Giant for example, have been pretty good about keeping their tools up-to-date with the latest CC releases.

Ok, just thought of a reason: to maintain compatibility with older files I guess. New CC versions can open older files but the file may get converted to a newer format, and the conversion sometimes causes visible changes to the art/animation. When this has happened to me, however, I just make an adjustment and move on.

roboman
05-17-2019, 08:23 AM
[QUOTE=Greenlaw;1571380Not sure why anybody would want to use older versions of CC anyway, ,,,, [/QUOTE]
you paid for it, it does what you need and you haven't bought any thing newer....

Greenlaw
05-17-2019, 08:59 AM
But with CC you always have something newer available. AFAIK, Adobe hasn't said anything about pre-CC software.

AnimeJoex
05-17-2019, 09:42 AM
Dear Adobe,
I will continue to use Adobe Fireworks CS6 for as long as possible because it's a great program that you killed and have no other individual programs that easily does everything it does.

Cordially yours,
A customer telling you to Stick It. ;)

rustythe1
05-17-2019, 09:48 AM
in good news they have slashed the price of cloud until 23rd, was £600 a year for all apps in uk, currently £369 !

Markc
05-17-2019, 11:17 AM
Yeah but what’s to say it won’t be more than 600 the following year.

meatycheesyboy
05-17-2019, 11:44 AM
My understanding is that they're talking about older versions of their CC software. Apparently the versions in question have Dolby code that wasn't properly licensed and is currently in litigation. I'm not sure how this makes the user liable but I guess they're covering their bases.

Not sure why anybody would want to use older versions of CC anyway, unless it's for compatibility with older plugins I guess. FWIW, most plugins developers for AE, like Red Giant for example, have been pretty good about keeping their tools up-to-date with the latest CC releases.

Ok, just thought of a reason: to maintain compatibility with older files I guess. New CC versions can open older files but the file may get converted to a newer format, and the conversion sometimes causes visible changes to the art/animation. When this has happened to me, however, I just make an adjustment and move on.

To Greenlaw's point, I'm a little confused about how this can even happen. Creative Cloud's availability is controlled server side by Adobe. When I go into the CC application, I can't install anything older than one or two cycles ago. Is this a situation where subscription users just never updated? Apologies if I'm missing something here.

raymondtrace
05-17-2019, 12:44 PM
in good news they have slashed the price of cloud until 23rd, was £600 a year for all apps in uk, currently £369 !

Yeah but what’s to say it won’t be more than 600 the following year.

The deal terms say. This only discounts for one year.

Kaptive
05-17-2019, 03:56 PM
To Greenlaw's point, I'm a little confused about how this can even happen. Creative Cloud's availability is controlled server side by Adobe. When I go into the CC application, I can't install anything older than one or two cycles ago. Is this a situation where subscription users just never updated? Apologies if I'm missing something here.

Very probably. Once some people have a stable setup, they don't shake the tree unless they have to. It can also happen with imaged hard drives I suppose... old versions preinstalled.

Greenlaw
05-17-2019, 06:49 PM
To Greenlaw's point, I'm a little confused about how this can even happen. Creative Cloud's availability is controlled server side by Adobe. When I go into the CC application, I can't install anything older than one or two cycles ago. Is this a situation where subscription users just never updated? Apologies if I'm missing something here.

I think Adobe keeps multiple versions available because not everybody switch versions in mid-production. With some shows I'm on, we may be frozen at an older release throughout the show because that's what the production started with. When new show starts up, we might move up to newer releases for that show. But, yeah, I'm talking about a couple of versions back at most, not sticking with really 'ancient' CC releases.

Re: pre-CC version, I do wonder for how long they'll keep their activation servers going for these really old versions. (BTW, I finally removed my old pre-CC versions from my computer. I don't think I launched any of the pre-CC programs once in many years.)

Rayek
05-18-2019, 01:37 AM
Not sure why anybody would want to use older versions of CC anyway, unless it's for compatibility with older plugins I guess. FWIW, most plugins developers for AE, like Red Giant for example, have been pretty good about keeping their tools up-to-date with the latest CC releases.

Ok, just thought of a reason: to maintain compatibility with older files I guess. New CC versions can open older files but the file may get converted to a newer format, and the conversion sometimes causes visible changes to the art/animation. When this has happened to me, however, I just make an adjustment and move on.

No, there are very viable reasons other than that. For example, the latest versions of Animate CC have been an unmitigated disaster for 2d animators: the performance is terrible compared to CS6 and the first versions of CC, and new features are implemented half-complete and with all sorts of caveats.

Studios relying on Animate in their pipeline have no choice but to rely on older versions. Imagine standing in the shoes of these studios: how would you feel?

Similar situation for Premiere: the latest 2019 version is unusable in production for many (if not most). What will happen when 2020 is released, and both 2019 AND 2010 are still bug-ridden? I'd be scared out of my wits right now if I were an outfit relying on Premiere.

Adobe indemnified their users to avoid further legal issues with their 3d party (probably Dolby). But this means exposing all its users to potential legal action if they produce anything with an older version.

FredyN
05-18-2019, 05:57 AM
Am I a dinosaur if i am still using CS6? :D
I have tryed CC 2016 - but not such a progres. But the lates AE CC have a nice feature - Content-Aware Fill for removing objects from video :).
If I will need it, I will give it a try.

jwiede
05-18-2019, 01:11 PM
The deal terms say. This only discounts for one year.

Which just means negotiating another discount in a year. Think of it as a necessary annual maintenance conversation that saves you hundreds off each following year. Easily worthwhile.

BigHache
05-18-2019, 11:27 PM
So I'm confused. Adobe didn't license software correctly so how is that an Adobe user's fault?
I'm protected from wrongdoing on my end if I properly licensed software from Adobe.
If Adobe did something wrong on their end, that's their responsibility.

This is why in the case of a suit damage claims would be calculated by the plaintiff for the number of licensed software(s), against the defendant, not each and every user. This just seems like a "good faith" effort on the part of Adobe to mitigate damage costs in court. None of use are in any way responsible for this, unless maybe you own Adobe stock.

Dexter2999
05-19-2019, 03:45 PM
So I'm confused. Adobe didn't license software correctly so how is that an Adobe user's fault?
Not sure it is an issue with Adobe not licensing Dolby software correctly. I believe what I heard in a podcast was that they weren't currently licensing it.


I'm protected from wrongdoing on my end if I properly licensed software from Adobe.
Except that you were notified by Adobe that older versions that contain Dolby IP should no longer be used, and warned that doing so could result in litigation.


If Adobe did something wrong on their end, that's their responsibility.
Again, not necessarily an issue with "wrong doing" just that business can boil down to negotiations and numbers and if two companies can't find a meeting ground... well, such is life.


And as someone else posted, this is the drawback with subscription based software in that your EULA is subject to ongoing changes because it can't guarantee ongoing rights to use it like an actual purchase would. As your software evolves and changes so do your rights to features provided by partners/license holders. Subscription offer a huge advantage in that they let more people get access to software that can be otherwise cost prohibitive, but you can't expect it to be all "upside". There are bound to be drawbacks like this and that you may pay more over the life of your software use.

raymondtrace
05-19-2019, 08:05 PM
Which just means negotiating another discount in a year. Think of it as a necessary annual maintenance conversation that saves you hundreds off each following year. Easily worthwhile.

The deal is for new subscribers. You cannot negotiate a deal as an existing user now, or in a year.

BigHache
05-19-2019, 09:45 PM
Except that you were notified by Adobe that older versions that contain Dolby IP should no longer be used, and warned that doing so could result in litigation.

Except that's not how that works. Unless you're going to do the leg work and point to statutes that say otherwise, I'm going to disagree with you.

sadkkf
05-21-2019, 02:12 PM
Am I a dinosaur if i am still using CS6? :D
I have tryed CC 2016 - but not such a progres. But the lates AE CC have a nice feature - Content-Aware Fill for removing objects from video :).
If I will need it, I will give it a try.

If you are, I am too. I still have CS6 installed, but rarely use it since moving on. PS still does a few things my other software doesn't, which is why I haven't totally killed it off.