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Ernest
12-23-2018, 11:36 PM
https://www.slashfilm.com/alita-battle-angel-eyes-fixed

Just came across this story. Well, I guess it takes a James Cameron to fix something the exact opposite way of what everyone thought and still pretty much make it work.

Chuck
12-27-2018, 10:15 AM
Interesting how that worked out. I found the eyes looked disturbing in the first teaser, and really didn't in the more recent material. Size itself wasn't the issue, especially for an anime robotic character, but conformation. Hmmmm.

erikals
12-27-2018, 02:45 PM
people have extraordinary abilities to read eye expressions, so a tweak of 1 mm more or less has a Huge impact

good to see it adjusted.

TheLexx
12-27-2018, 03:12 PM
But it's still quite intersting that even productions at that level can "goof it up" in the first place....

I think I once I read an article that James Cameron wanted to achieve some sort of effect and was told it was impossible, but Rob Powers stepped forward and showed him in Lightwave. I think it had to do with some aspect of VFX realtime filmmaking. Can anyone remember the source at all ?

Bernie2Strokes
12-29-2018, 01:49 AM
That's interesting. I still have issues with the casting but artistically that was an improvement.

jbrookes
02-24-2019, 05:03 PM
It could have been one of the items listed here:
https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/rob-powers-talks-vad-and-more-avatar
https://www.provideocoalition.com/avatar_building_a_virtual_3d_art_department/
https://www.lightwave3d.com/news/article/avatar-building-a-virtual-3d-art-department/

As for Alita, it's packed full of high-detail CGI and tons of live-action/CG composites. Plus it makes good use of 3D. Definitely worth seeing in the theater.

RPSchmidt
02-25-2019, 08:04 AM
It could have been one of the items listed here:
https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/rob-powers-talks-vad-and-more-avatar
https://www.provideocoalition.com/avatar_building_a_virtual_3d_art_department/
https://www.lightwave3d.com/news/article/avatar-building-a-virtual-3d-art-department/

As for Alita, it's packed full of high-detail CGI and tons of live-action/CG composites. Plus it makes good use of 3D. Definitely worth seeing in the theater.

I definitely enjoyed it, although they could have moved the story forward just a little faster; there were some parts that left me a wee bit snoozy.

Oldcode
02-25-2019, 04:20 PM
I just saw it in the theater and for the most part I liked it. The only thing that disappointed me was the ending seemed truncated so they could setup a sequel.

wingzeta
02-25-2019, 07:12 PM
I did not like the original eyes, but they fixed it, and it worked well. Still not sure it was necessary for her to have big eyes, since her eyes were big in the manga for art style reasons, not because they were supposed to be unnaturally huge. Still, it gives the character a "look" for the film, so it won't be confused with other films.

The movie is definitely worth seeing. Lots of cool stuff, action and good performances. They followed the manga really close, which is great for fans, but it also did result in the ending probably seeming abrupt to non-fans. The movie covers about the first 3 of 9 volumes, so the story is just started. It gets better as it goes. Can't wait for the sequels.

It's a lot better than the marketing made it look. The main character's CG is probably the best ever done for a character who is in almost every scene of a movie.

erikals
02-25-2019, 08:14 PM
reminded me a bit of the LW 2018 sss render style...

https://i.imgur.com/KsVXBmY.png

Bernie2Strokes
02-25-2019, 09:01 PM
I enjoyed this film a lot more than Wonder Woman. It's good to see an anime/manga well-adapted by Hollywood. Maybe we can get a Violet Evergreen adaption too since they accomplished the cybernetics to well.

On the issue of the eyes, their use of another co-star helped explain it a little bit. I just put it down to stylistic approach with a minor back story.

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I enjoyed this film a lot more than Wonder Woman. It's good to see an anime/manga well-adapted by Hollywood. Maybe we can get a Violet Evergreen adaption too since they accomplished the cybernetics to well.

On the issue of the eyes, their use of another co-star helped explain it a little bit. I just put it down to stylistic approach with a minor back story.

BeeVee
02-26-2019, 01:37 AM
I loved the CG, but the film felt a complete failure for me. The dialogue was an endless stream of really tired clichés, the worst of which was one character saying they'd never do something in the most emphatic tones brooking no argument, then doing that very thing 20 minutes later. It's not one I'll be adding to my film collection.

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ianr
02-26-2019, 09:15 AM
I loved the CG, but the film felt a complete failure for me. The dialogue was an endless stream of really tired clichés, the worst of which was one character saying they'd never do something in the most emphatic tones brooking no argument, then doing that very thing 20 minutes later. It's not one I'll be adding to my film collection.

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Christ, I know it's not easy to get film made, but I feel that this script fails like Ben has mentioned.

There are truly, unbelievable 'car crashes' in your further enjoyment of the plot. There's no excuse other

than Cameron will not take on any scripting advice as he has been in Emperor mode a long time now.

I remember thinking that 'Avatar' in Plot terms was soo cliche and a very tired retread in development

hell as a script. This movie has none of the pizzazz Rupert Sanders brought to the table in Scarlett

Johansson's 'Ghost in the Shell'. In fact, I think that it has been 'laid down' in cellar terms since the

original manga by Mamoru Oshii waiting for a Cameronesque gloss take on it, and it shows stale to me.


BTW Do we know if Rob P. worked on pre-viz again, I didn't catch the credits.

Bernie2Strokes
02-26-2019, 07:54 PM
I enjoyed this film a lot more than Wonder Woman.


I don't know why I can't go back and edit that post.

jbrookes
03-01-2019, 01:38 PM
I'm wondering that myself, since Cameron said that "Team Avatar" worked on Alita.

Chuck
03-01-2019, 02:04 PM
I don't know why I can't go back and edit that post.

time limit on editing, probably. Took care of the edit for you.

Bernie2Strokes
03-01-2019, 06:40 PM
time limit on editing, probably. Took care of the edit for you.

Thank you

stevecullum
03-05-2019, 06:09 AM
I loved the CG, but the film felt a complete failure for me. The dialogue was an endless stream of really tired clichés, the worst of which was one character saying they'd never do something in the most emphatic tones brooking no argument, then doing that very thing 20 minutes later. It's not one I'll be adding to my film collection.

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No pleasing some people! :P

I really enjoyed the film, the predictable dialogue didn't bother me at all, because somehow they managed to make me feel something for a CG character - I forgot about the CG and went on the 'journey of discovery' with Alita. The world they created totally drew me in. The only thing that didn't work for me was the relationship between Jennifer Connelly's character and Mahershala Ali's - just didn't feel at all believable for some reason.

I hope they make a sequel!

ianr
03-05-2019, 08:15 AM
I'm wondering that myself, since Cameron said that "Team Avatar" worked on Alita.

It seems that pre-vis was Third Floor.Inc

mains was Weta, dneg & Framestore

Source: Imdb Pro