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ianr
08-19-2018, 07:15 AM
Fairly stop press (14th Aug) NEW AMD CPU's >>> source>>> Forbes business site.

'finally allowed to reveal performance numbers not just for the 2990WX,
but also for the 16-core 2950X for $899, which is the direct descendant of the 1950X that was released last year.
The Threadripper 2990WX is already available to pre-order for $1799 while the 2950X will go on sale on 31st August.
They will both be followed by CPUs with fewer cores in each category; he 2970WX will have 24 cores and cost $1299
will go on sale October and the 2920X will have 12 cores and cost $649 will go on sale October as well.':jam:

Nicolas Jordan
08-19-2018, 12:06 PM
I haven't been this excited about CPUs for many years. Can't wait to get a Threadripper!

erikals
08-19-2018, 12:37 PM
bit disappointed actually,
only a tad better than 1950x
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/275246-amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-review-pulverizing-intels-core-i9-7900x

https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/CB15-2950X-638x479.png

rustythe1
08-19-2018, 02:13 PM
not sure about the prices either, here in the uk looks like the 2950 is currently the same price as the i9 7980, and considering the i9 is faster and more overclock, surely AMD shot themselves in the foot?

sorry got a bit mixed up there, thought I was looking at the 2990 that's been out for a while, so yea its cheaper, but still not as overclockable

erikals
08-19-2018, 02:59 PM
i'll probably go 1920x next,
then wait quite a few years till 2990WX price is under half, and replace the cpu

3dhotshot
08-19-2018, 04:06 PM
Dont forget about Nvidia RTX Cards on the way ^^

btw We need a Lightwave Benchmark Scene to compare to Cinebench or if we can convert the same scene over would be
interesting to see how LW performs in comparison to CineBiscuits .....

Markc
08-19-2018, 04:08 PM
Do you need a specific type of motherboard to drop one of these ‘pricey’ cpu’s into?

3dhotshot
08-19-2018, 04:13 PM
Yup you do ... but they should not cost an arm or a leg Im sure unlike intel parts

hrgiger
08-19-2018, 04:22 PM
I'll probably pick up a 1950x, doesn't seem like the higher end ones are worth the extra cost vs the performance gained.
CPU as a rendering device is a dead end though, I'll have more focus on more gpu power to that end.

as far as the motherboards for the threadripper, last time I checked they were all gaming boards which you're looking at least $300 and up which is fine, I think I paid 500 for my last intel board.

COBRASoft
08-19-2018, 05:15 PM
I'm on the edge of buying a new computer. NVidia RTX look pretty impressive, specially combined with an I9 :).

Nicolas Jordan
08-19-2018, 05:17 PM
I'll probably pick up a 1950x, doesn't seem like the higher end ones are worth the extra cost vs the performance gained.
CPU as a rendering device is a dead end though, I'll have more focus on more gpu power to that end.

as far as the motherboards for the threadripper, last time I checked they were all gaming boards which you're looking at least $300 and up which is fine, I think I paid 500 for my last intel board.

If I'm going to spend $4500 for an all new PC rig with a 1950x I will go ahead and spend just $1000 more to get a 2990WX with double the cores instead. I'm also looking into GPU rendering in Octane as an alternate option and I could even keep my current PC. The only thing I'm not sure about is how much GPU RAM and power I might need. If I decide to go that route I'm guessing I might need 2 x 1080 TIs. This GPU rendering stuff is still very new to me. I'm not crazy about investing in GPU hardware that can only be used for rendering in Octane. CPU rendering still seems to have more software options. Investing in CPU seems like a safer choice to me still.

erikals
08-19-2018, 11:24 PM
If I'm going to spend $4500 for an all new PC rig with a 1950x I will go ahead and spend just $1000 more to get a 2990WX with double the cores instead
yes, could make sense, since the 2990WX has impressive specs, unlike the 2950X that is a tad better than 1950X
by the way Giger, it might be better to go for the 2950X instead of 1950X, since the 2950X retail price is said to be about the same. (?)
you'll have to check of course at launch.

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 09:01 AM
you might be better off with two 1950s than a single 2990, as twice the cores only gives you 1500 points or so over the 16 core, not a great jump for an extra $1000 you would think it would score 6000 or so but early scores are only 4-5000, 5000+ when using a chiller

ianr
08-20-2018, 09:02 AM
It seems that socketX399 Mobos will take you up through the upgrade path

The Asus AMD Rog would last you while you punch up the cores with a replacing CPU.

And its fast too!

May I suggest, get a EnerMax T4 watercooler (your Ripper) as well, and NOT a Corsair!

Nicolas Jordan
08-20-2018, 09:21 AM
It seems that socketX399 Mobos will take you up through the upgrade path

The Asus AMD Rog would last you while you punch up the cores with a replacing CPU.

And its fast too!

May I suggest, get a EnerMax T4 watercooler (your Ripper) as well, and NOT a Corsair!


If I get a Threadripper I'm considering ordering one up from Origin PC and it looks like they use the T4 watercooler. I'm still going to price one out if I build one on my own to see what the difference in price would be. I haven't built a PC in a very long time though and not sure I want to get into that.

jaf
08-20-2018, 10:00 AM
May I suggest, get a EnerMax T4 watercooler (your Ripper) as well, and NOT a Corsair!

Some scary reviews on this cooler. I know you can't always rely on Amazon reviews, but....
https://www.amazon.com/Enermax-Exclusive-Threadripper-Technology-ELC-LTTR360-TBP/product-reviews/B074ZLQZG2/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_show_all_top?ie=UTF8&reviewerType=all_reviews

Nicolas Jordan
08-20-2018, 10:48 AM
Just checked and looks like Origin has their own branded liquid cooling system. Probably an existing one with their name stamped on it.

Qexit
08-20-2018, 10:58 AM
It seems that socketX399 Mobos will take you up through the upgrade path

The Asus AMD Rog would last you while you punch up the cores with a replacing CPU.

And its fast too!

May I suggest, get a EnerMax T4 watercooler (your Ripper) as well, and NOT a Corsair!Is this recommendation based on first hand experience of the Enermax T4 Watercooler or reports on its performance ?

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 11:29 AM
yes, the enermax in the uk on amazon dosnt seem to get very good reviews, where as the corsair does, and most pre builds from places like Scan only fit corsair, and cant be because they are cheaper, because there not?

RPSchmidt
08-20-2018, 12:57 PM
bit disappointed actually,
only a tad better than 1950x
https://www.extremetech.com/computing/275246-amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-review-pulverizing-intels-core-i9-7900x

https://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/CB15-2950X-638x479.png

Inversely, that makes me very happy because I just purchased a 1950x threadripper for my system build and haven't even had a chance to use it yet.

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 01:17 PM
Inversely, that makes me very happy because I just purchased a 1950x threadripper for my system build and haven't even had a chance to use it yet.

Yea, bit of a concern that one is running max 4gh and the other is 4.4 with only a few points difference?

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 01:59 PM
and a bit of timing, nvidia 2080 rtx just got released at scan uk, and seems there is no price difference between the 1080, that was a bit of a turn around after the rumors, https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/nvidia/geforce-rtx-graphics-cards

erikals
08-20-2018, 02:05 PM
will be interesting to see what
the 1950x price will be
the 2950x price will be
once both are at the market


and a bit of timing, nvidia 2080 rtx just got released at scan uk, and seems there is no price difference between the 1080, that was a bit of a turn around after the rumors, https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/nvidia/geforce-rtx-graphics-cards
looking forward to Octane benchmarks

Qexit
08-20-2018, 02:16 PM
and a bit of timing, nvidia 2080 rtx just got released at scan uk, and seems there is no price difference between the 1080, that was a bit of a turn around after the rumors, https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/nvidia/geforce-rtx-graphics-cardsNice to look at and drool over but unless dear old Uncle ERNIE makes a generous donation to my bank account at the start of September, I wont be seeing one in person any time soon.

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 02:18 PM
me too (benchmarks), because on paper, its a bit like the 1950 vs 2050, dosnt look that spectacular,
the rtx 2080 has 2944 cores 8gb ram, 1815mhz boost
the gtx 1070ti has 2432 cores 8gb ram, 1683 MHz boost
the gtx 1080ti has 3584 cores 11gb ram, 1759 MHz boost
you can get a 1070ti for 409
preorder for a 2080 is around 899
will people upgrade when the numbers don't add up?

erikals
08-20-2018, 02:21 PM
what's nice is that probably it will drop the price on 1080 Ti slightly, which is a kick-a** card

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 02:30 PM
already did, scan put about 6 models on sale for between 629 to 700, less than the 1070 ti top models !

erikals
08-20-2018, 02:47 PM
cool, might go for a future 2x 1080 Ti
just need more cash...   :)

Qexit
08-20-2018, 02:51 PM
already did, scan put about 6 models on sale for between 629 to 700, less than the 1070 ti top models !But would you spend 700 on a 1080Ti or 720 on preordering a 2080 ? https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-windforce-oc-8gb-gddr6-vr-ready-graphics-card-2944-core

Lito
08-20-2018, 03:25 PM
I own a 1950x and an Enermax TR4 360 and I do NOT recommend it. I bought 2 of them and both failed. One lasted 6 months till it failed, and the other lasted 1 month. It has a potential design flaw in that it has a copper cold plate and an aluminum radiator. That violates water cooling 101's basic rule that you don't mix copper and aluminum parts or fittings because the metals react to each other in a solution. The problem doesn't happen immediately, suddenly one day the temps on your machine are higher than before, and it gets worse and worse over time. My first one I could remove it from the CPU shake it, to dislodge the build up inside and put it back and it would work again for a week or two and then the problem comes back over and over till you just can't clear up the build up inside the loop and probably the pump and cold plate fins and you will be running at 60+c just browsing the web (forget about rendering you'd be within a second or two at 85c).

The RMA process from Enermax was easy but time consuming. It took a month in the USA to ship it to them and then for the RMA-ed unit to arrive, that's why I bought a second one (not knowing at the time the issue with the copper + aluminum). That one failed shortly after the RMA-ed unit arrived.

For a 1950x I would probably at this moment only recommend a Noctua air cooler. Enermax has supposedly fixed the issue (that is what they say) but the underlying problem is still there IMHO which they say was a manufacturing issue, but no recall was issued, nor was any range of serial numbers given of possible affected units given. So it would be a guessing game if you had bought a defective one or not. Given it's copper and aluminum chemistry that is really the cause of the issue, they have to use a special solution in a vacuum in order for the reaction to not happen, any minor air leak or intake of air in the loop will cause a slow reaction to occur. Remember my first unit lasted 6 months before the hint of an issue started happening. I thought the thermal paste I used was bad at first because I'd clean it up, add new, and it worked again (for 2 weeks, then 1 week, then a couple days, till it only lasted a couple of hours).

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 04:43 PM
But would you spend 700 on a 1080Ti or 720 on preordering a 2080 ? https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-windforce-oc-8gb-gddr6-vr-ready-graphics-card-2944-core

that's just a 2080 not a ti, the ti is over 1300 and has 4352 cores 11gb ram, the 2080 only has 2944 cores 8gb ram, the standard 2080 is barely any different to the 1070ti but you can pick up a base model for half the price, the 2080ti is the real one to get, but as always it comes at a price, 1300 for 4352 cores, or you could pay 1200 for 3 1070TI and have 7296 cores, so that's an extra 2944 cores for 100 less!

Freaky, I didn't realise until after I wrote that, the difference between 3x1070ti and a single 2080ti is exactly a 2080 standard card! 2944 cores?! so pay 100 less and get the equivalent of a free 2080 card (worth 700), good sales pitch there for older cards.

Qexit
08-20-2018, 04:56 PM
Ah well, not going to be on my shopping list this year whatever the price but I am looking forward to seeing some actual hands on testing and direct comparisons of the different variations. I wonder how the various GPU renderers will get on in these new cards. Those tests will be really interesting :)

rustythe1
08-20-2018, 05:01 PM
I own a 1950x and an Enermax TR4 360 and I do NOT recommend it. I bought 2 of them and both failed. One lasted 6 months till it failed, and the other lasted 1 month. It has a potential design flaw in that it has a copper cold plate and an aluminum radiator. That violates water cooling 101's basic rule that you don't mix copper and aluminum parts or fittings because the metals react to each other in a solution. The problem doesn't happen immediately, suddenly one day the temps on your machine are higher than before, and it gets worse and worse over time. My first one I could remove it from the CPU shake it, to dislodge the build up inside and put it back and it would work again for a week or two and then the problem comes back over and over till you just can't clear up the build up inside the loop and probably the pump and cold plate fins and you will be running at 60+c just browsing the web (forget about rendering you'd be within a second or two at 85c).

The RMA process from Enermax was easy but time consuming. It took a month in the USA to ship it to them and then for the RMA-ed unit to arrive, that's why I bought a second one (not knowing at the time the issue with the copper + aluminum). That one failed shortly after the RMA-ed unit arrived.

For a 1950x I would probably at this moment only recommend a Noctua air cooler. Enermax has supposedly fixed the issue (that is what they say) but the underlying problem is still there IMHO which they say was a manufacturing issue, but no recall was issued, nor was any range of serial numbers given of possible affected units given. So it would be a guessing game if you had bought a defective one or not. Given it's copper and aluminum chemistry that is really the cause of the issue, they have to use a special solution in a vacuum in order for the reaction to not happen, any minor air leak or intake of air in the loop will cause a slow reaction to occur. Remember my first unit lasted 6 months before the hint of an issue started happening. I thought the thermal paste I used was bad at first because I'd clean it up, add new, and it worked again (for 2 weeks, then 1 week, then a couple days, till it only lasted a couple of hours).

seems to be exactly what amazon was saying, most worked for a short time then shot up to 60 deg idle,

Kryslin
08-20-2018, 09:43 PM
My workstation has been running a Corsair H80 for 6 years now. If I can get the case cleaned out, and get W10 to throttle the chip down properly, I can get idle temps @ 27C, with 100% loads @ 55-60C.

I've got pick lists for either the H80 or H100 coolers, depending on the case...

erikals
08-21-2018, 03:29 AM
Thank You for info Lito, didn't know about that TR flaw, that's a bit serious

Lito
08-21-2018, 06:59 AM
Thank You for info Lito, didn't know about that TR flaw, that's a bit serious

Not a problem, if you are building a TR rig, there are 2 air coolers I know of one is called wraith ripper designed for the newer chips (2990wx) it is massive looking. Check out an install video here:
https://youtu.be/oKmIbvil_0I
FYI it's 1.6kg lol.

You can see the Noctua one but it was designed with the 1950x in mind (I only mention it because the 2990wx has a TDP of 250w vs the 180w for the 1950x) here:
https://noctua.at/en/nh-u14s-tr4-sp3

Both are air coolers though and huge. I don't mention the other "compatible" AIO coolers like the Corsair H100i because most only partially cover the actual dies under the heatspreader on the TR chip so while they will "work" they won't be efficient at cooling the TR chip because of the surface area of the cold plates on the AIOs were designed for Intel chips. You will probably get better heat dissipation and cooler temps from these air coolers. But the massive air coolers kind of bug my gut. The x399 motherboards are built really strong but when I think about that massive block hanging there by 4 screws in my tower case when in the vertical position, I just cringe.

If you can do it, I'd really recommend just building a custom water loop. I might be going that route in the future, but it'll be a while. I will be using the one I got back from Enermax for now as it is still working normally, but it has just barely reached a month of use and I won't know if it is good till around this time next year. If this one starts failing my second RMA-ed unit is waiting as a spare, and if I have to use it I'll be pricing out a custom water loop.

erikals
08-21-2018, 02:12 PM
FYI it's 1.6kg
more of an engine block... :o

https://www.pcper.com/files/imagecache/article_max_width/news/2018-06-08/Cooler%20Master%20Wraithripper%20Threadripper%20Co oler.png

think i'd go with the Noctua

rustythe1
08-22-2018, 01:58 AM
yep, can recommend the noctua, been running one with 3 fans and its be running my 5960 at 4.5 ghz for the last 5 years, (noctua also make circular frame fans so you can fit a 140 in a 120mm space and oval fans for when ram is an issue)
but keep in mind, they will not fit in a standard case, illustrated on this image, they stick out considerably further than the GPU,
142549
(this is not mine just pulled off the web)

erikals
08-22-2018, 03:47 AM
damn, they are enormous!

paulk
08-22-2018, 09:07 AM
yep, can recommend the noctua, been running one with 3 fans and its be running my 5960 at 4.5 ghz for the last 5 years, (noctua also make circular frame fans so you can fit a 140 in a 120mm space and oval fans for when ram is an issue)
but keep in mind, they will not fit in a standard case, illustrated on this image, they stick out considerably further than the GPU,
142549
(this is not mine just pulled off the web)

Kind of reminds me of refrigerators from the 20s/30s/40s where the cooling coils were on top.

ianr
08-22-2018, 09:35 AM
Is this recommendation based on first hand experience of the Enermax T4 Watercooler or reports on its performance ?


a report from a friend (IyMk)

but I have gotten back to him after

these reports! especially Lito's , thank you all !