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jay3d
05-20-2018, 08:15 PM
Since I'm close to figure out a way to make Metamorphic works under LW 2015.3 for users who are not planning to update and/or postponing updating to LW 2018
So to determine the feasibility of such effort, I'm asking this simple question:

Who would buy it? :D

NOTE: If you own Metamorphic for LW 2018 already, then there's no need for you to vote. All other users of LW 2015.3 who really wanted this plugin please vote "Absolutely!" because the number of users will help me take the decision to support LW 2015.3, because it is not an easy task.

ruscular
05-20-2018, 08:27 PM
I have 2018, but if I didn't I would still go for it!
Its does stuff that Cage deformer and Chronosculpt does.

ernpchan
05-20-2018, 08:29 PM
If you can do this it would be of great benefit to to users. 2018 is drastically different than 2015 and not everyone is able to switch their pipelines to the new version.

Oldcode
05-20-2018, 09:49 PM
I would! :D

samurai_x
05-21-2018, 01:34 AM
You might be surprised there might be more 2015 users than 2018.

vipvip242
05-21-2018, 02:20 AM
I have 2018, but if I didn't I would still go for it!
Its does stuff that Cage deformer and Chronosculpt does.

not true

samurai_x
05-21-2018, 05:23 AM
He probably meant
"It does stuff that Cage deformer and Chronosculpt doesn't."

Who are the 3 losers who voted no? :D

vipvip242
05-21-2018, 06:58 AM
He probably meant
"It does stuff that Cage deformer and Chronosculpt doesn't."

Who are the 3 losers who voted no? :D

I vote for you ;)

raymondtrace
05-21-2018, 07:34 AM
My worry is that there's a small audience for 2015 and you'd have to also look to a solution for 11, 10, or even 9 to be worth your extra development time.

If I could vote (felon), I'd choose "not really". It would be nice to use in 2015's renderer for an odd job but I'll be buying it for primary use in 2018. We keep moving forward, opening new doors, and doing new things.

hrgiger
05-21-2018, 11:21 AM
I might be interested. I wont be upgrading to 2018.


Just funny everyone is going off about how theres something special about 2018 architecture that it was impossible to do in 2015.

mummyman
05-21-2018, 11:35 AM
I'm interested. I can't risk a full production yet with 2018. Not ready to make that leap yet, even though I upgraded. Baby-steps!

raymondtrace
05-21-2018, 11:50 AM
...Just funny everyone is going off about how theres something special about 2018 architecture that it was impossible to do in 2015.

There's no conflict of ideas. Metamorphic is "taking full advantage of the new mesh capability of the modifier stack" and supporting 2015 is "not an easy task". If 2015 was inviting to this function, this tool could have been here 3 years ago.

jeric_synergy
05-21-2018, 11:57 AM
I'd rather see the OP concentrate on the future, not the past.

NOW, if those mired in 2015 were willing to PAY UP FRONT, I'd say go for it. IOW, fund the 2015 development. But as a gamble? No.


Decide on a profit point. Put it out there. Get the funds, FIRST. Develop. Everybody happy and compensated.

papou
05-21-2018, 12:15 PM
I will buy it for 2015.

For my point of view, 2018 renderer is not production ready.

Tim Parsons
05-21-2018, 01:27 PM
With such a small sampling of users that come to the forums I doubt you'll get numbers from the pole that you can trust. Basically I'd be surprised if after 3 or 4 months you'd get 100 respondents to the pole. Nobody comes here anymore. I didn't vote because I don't have the need for the tool - 2015 or 2018.

jay3d
05-21-2018, 08:09 PM
I might be interested. I wont be upgrading to 2018.


Just funny everyone is going off about how theres something special about 2018 architecture that it was impossible to do in 2015.

Actually there's a MAJOR change of how mesh is accessed in the new architecture, you can directly access the actual memory locations of the internal LW mesh structure in a flat linear memory model that can be read and written to in random access manner and from multiple threads.
In the 2015 version I had to emulate that which will not be quite efficient.

samurai_x
05-21-2018, 08:23 PM
I vote for you ;)

I have 2018 at work. Nobody using it though.

Cageman
05-22-2018, 07:24 AM
I might be interested. I wont be upgrading to 2018.


Just funny everyone is going off about how theres something special about 2018 architecture that it was impossible to do in 2015.

How much of a hack will it be, and how stable will it be? LW 2018, so far, is rock solid with the plugins I have purchased. LW 2015.3 I can make crash in 5 minutes of doing things.

samurai_x
05-22-2018, 08:26 AM
Why is it that when 2015 or 11 was the current version people were soooooo jolly and saying its the most stable app they've used compared to xyz app?
When they(2015, 11) were current they were the greatest best bang for the buck among all the commercial app out there.
Now 2018 is out 2015 is sooooooo unstable and all that crap.

Is this a smart phone product? :D

Lightwave in general is stable because its stayed the same in the past few years.

hrgiger
05-22-2018, 12:31 PM
How much of a hack will it be, and how stable will it be? LW 2018, so far, is rock solid with the plugins I have purchased. LW 2015.3 I can make crash in 5 minutes of doing things.

Which is why I said I might buy it instead of saying definitely will. But 2018 needs a lot more than stability for me to want it.

Ztreem
05-22-2018, 01:47 PM
How much of a hack will it be, and how stable will it be? LW 2018, so far, is rock solid with the plugins I have purchased. LW 2015.3 I can make crash in 5 minutes of doing things.

interesting, when I tried the 2018 trial it crashed 1 minute after the first startup...

jeric_synergy
05-22-2018, 06:36 PM
If 2015.3 users want this capability, they should put their money where their mouth is and fund development.

samurai_x
05-22-2018, 08:23 PM
If 2015.3 users want this capability, they should put their money where their mouth is and fund development.

Some people did that with Core....:D
11 and 2015 also was promised with lots of training videos...Rob the magician.

jeric_synergy
05-22-2018, 09:08 PM
This isn't LWG, it's a third party.

vipvip242
05-22-2018, 11:19 PM
i was very angry with LW10 /promises/bug & the marketing associated... With lw2018, it is another story : i totally agree with the previous potitive posts : it works very well and his new cpu renderer is excellent (with some CPU cores of course : on a 7940x it works like a charm and the render outpout is so good (montecarlo GI), i prefer it to octane in most of cases)

samurai_x
05-22-2018, 11:27 PM
This isn't LWG, it's a third party.

You missed the point. Think PMG

mummyman
05-23-2018, 09:31 AM
Hi jay3d

Within 2015, would all the procedural textures be available for sculpting? (if sculpting even would be part of a 2015 release) These: http://dpont.pagesperso-orange.fr/plugins/Textures.htm

papou
05-23-2018, 11:06 AM
Hi Jay3D, Just to control my hope, how many 2015 users do you need for considerering a development?

raymondtrace
05-23-2018, 01:27 PM
"how many paying 2015 users do you need for considerering a development?"

Fixed it for you. :D

As noted by others who are doubtful of people being willing to part with cash, this would probably be better handled as a gofundme type of campaign than a forum poll.

bobakabob
05-23-2018, 02:40 PM
Best of luck with Metamorphic, it’s great to see an alternative / companion to corrective morphing in LW. It has enormous potential. The more you can push it towards basic Zbrush / Sculptris functionality * with animation* the better. Personally I hope you can devote your time to pushing the boundaries in 2018.

jeric_synergy
05-23-2018, 06:39 PM
"how many paying 2015 users do you need for considerering a development?"

Fixed it for you. :D

As noted by others who are doubtful of people being willing to part with cash, this would probably be better handled as a gofundme type of campaign than a forum poll.

THANK YOU. (and spot effing on with the "FIFY".)

People always TALK (or type) a good game, but when it comes to parting with actual cash it's a different story. If they're sincere, they'd be HAPPY to fund a gofundme/kickstarter style thingy. It's my understanding you get your bucks back if the item doesn't ship, no?

Money talks: b.s. walks.

samurai_x
05-24-2018, 12:39 AM
There are some products that are worth doing the pre order go fund me thing.

I bought in the Hitilm kickstarter for example.
3dcoat always have pre orders for upgrades at lower cost but his development is transparent so everybody knows what they're getting because its already there.

I did the Dare to Share PMG thing. Two licenses
I did the Lw Core thing and convinced other people to buy into it. Got into 11 and 2015 with promises from Rob that didn't materialize. Two personal licenses I have that I will not upgrade to 2018.
Some other lw plugins that just vaporized I won't mention anymore.

Now I wouldn't just do it blindly.

jwiede
05-24-2018, 07:08 PM
Doing a kickstarter/indiegogo conditional-escrow collection for a LW2015 version of Metamorphic sounds like a great idea!

Something like GoFundMe that doesn't work the same as a conditional escrow isn't likely to succeed, nor is asking for Patreon donations, or similar "throw money without strings and hope what you want appears" approaches.

Julez4001
05-25-2018, 03:49 AM
I hope this doesn't take from updating the 2018 version, you seem to on a roll especially with the idea of adding Texture and Painting.

samurai_x
06-05-2018, 09:32 PM
This is why there's only a handful of 3rd party plugins for lw. People don't like to spend on it.