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jeric_synergy
05-07-2018, 10:25 AM
One shortage I feel all too often with LWM is a lack of automatic "gridiffying" tools.

As LWM evolves, I'd certainly like to see more of this kind of thing (cued up):

https://youtu.be/vOTfkVfMoec?t=125

I realize that gridiffying arbitrary polygonal geometry is different (and more difficult) from doing the same to what are essentially algorithmically generated, spline based meshes as illustrated here, but, it sure would be nice.


(BTW, video makers: this presenter has an exceptionally good vocal style: he's clear, concise, no "uhhhhhh"s, and varies his delivery. Take note.)

wingzeta
05-07-2018, 12:41 PM
I hope you are making feature requests through the system, and not just posting here. It doesn't seem like the devs see it otherwise. I like the idea.

Marander
05-07-2018, 12:41 PM
One lack I feel all too often with LWM is a lack of automatic "gridiffying" tools.

As LWM evolves, I'd certainly like to see more of this kind of thing (cued up):

https://youtu.be/vOTfkVfMoec?t=125

I realize that gridiffying arbitrary polygonal geometry is different (and more difficult) from doing the same to what are essentially algorithmically generated, spline based meshes as illustrated here, but, it sure would be nice.


(BTW, video makers: this presenter has an exceptionally good vocal style: he's clear, concise, no "uhhhhhh"s, and varies his delivery. Take note.)

Dude two comments:

[Moderation note: The rest of this post was deleted, since it had nothing to do with feature requests, nor anything whatsoever to do with "discourse regarding the use of NewTek products by those who own them" - see http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?63918-NewTek-Forums-Account-and-Moderation-Policies.]

jeric_synergy
05-07-2018, 01:32 PM
I hope you are making feature requests through the system, and not just posting here. It doesn't seem like the devs see it otherwise. I like the idea.

MOST of my Feature Request posts here are also posted thru the official "Make Feature Request" system in 2018. --There are many many dozens in the system. I post here in the, mostly vain, hope that other users will be able to add something to the request, or let me know that a given idea is totally bogus.

I feel that plagiarizing the competitors' non-patented good ideas is a totally viable discussion topic, and judging by this thread, the moderators feel the same. Nothing wrong w/stealing good ideas, if it's legal (I'm gazing towards Adobe as I type this).

"Gridiffying" is a constant (and nasty) chore here, and anything that would automate it would be a huge productivity boost. As noted, it's quite a bit different when you have a SPLINE and a DEFORMER, both mathematical constructs, versus our more polygonal situation in LWM.

SBowie
05-07-2018, 01:43 PM
I feel that plagiarizing the competitors' non-patented good ideas is a totally viable discussion topic, and judging by this thread, the moderators feel the same.The moderators have no view to offer re: your view. :)

As an end user (and someone who works in UX), my only comment is that generally one should conform to norms unless your way of doing something is far better, or the thing itself is so novel that there are no norms. There are exceptions, but they should be just that, and able to be justified with a clear margin.

jeric_synergy
05-07-2018, 02:09 PM
The moderators have no view to offer re: your view. :)
:) My meaning was: this thread has already experienced moderation, and the thread itself still exists.

The various lacunae extant in all s/w, especially when compared to similar tools, is really interesting (to me). For instance, just so y'all don't think everybody else gets off easy, it seems (according to my queries) C4D (R17) makes it rather difficult to know how many points a given polygon has: IOW, there's nothing equivalent to LWM's INFO panels. --I find that downright weird. Now, it's possible that somewhere in the huge C4D edifice is a small room where one can find that out, but it does not seem to be common knowledge. So, anyway, LW/LWM wins there.

But on topic: more, better gridiffying is welcome, however we get it.

Marander
05-07-2018, 02:19 PM
:)For instance, just so y'all don't think everybody else gets off easy, it seems (according to my queries) C4D (R17) makes it rather difficult to know how many points a given polygon has: IOW, there's nothing equivalent to LWM's INFO panels. --I find that downright weird. Now, it's possible that somewhere in the huge C4D edifice is a small room where one can find that out, but it does not seem to be common knowledge. So, anyway, LW/LWM wins there.


(Taking the risk this is moderated out)

The amount of polygons, points or whatever you desire are displayed right there in the Hud (since like forever), no need for any info panel.

Then there's Mesh checking and the Structure view one click further btw, where I cannot only see every single point listed but the possibility to just change their values.

SBowie
05-07-2018, 02:52 PM
(Taking the risk this is moderated out)I was rather expecting someone to correct this, actually. Fair's fair.

Marander
05-07-2018, 03:08 PM
I was rather expecting someone to correct this, actually. Fair's fair.

Thanks Steve!

jeric_synergy
05-07-2018, 07:08 PM
The amount of polygons, points or whatever you desire are displayed right there in the Hud (since like forever), no need for any info panel.
Not the same thing at all as the LWM STATS panel: you'd have to select polygons INDIVIDUALLY, and SHIFT-CLICK on Point Mode for each one. In short, a pita.

Bzzzt!

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EDIT: Actually, the INFO panel is what I meant here. I like that static display, it's handy, I leave it open all the time.

jeric_synergy
05-07-2018, 11:56 PM
ANOTHER thing C4D doesn't seem to have is LW-Style symmetry, weak as it is. What they do have is a procedural Symmetry Object, which turns out not to be as cool as you might think.

(Still a c4d rookie, so I may have some of this stuff wrong:)
While LWM Symmetry only mirrors on the X axis, and only right at 0/0/0, it does allow an unusual (?) thing: ALMOST Symmetricality, or NEAR-Symmetricality. C4D's implementation only allows a perfect mirror (albeit, on 3 different planes), you can do crazy stuff in LWM because you can add things to one side that can be IGNORED by the other side.

So, LW can do some tricks the slicker packages cannot.

(I think LW style symmetry may be implemented for c4d via 3rd party plugins.)

SBowie
05-08-2018, 08:48 AM
Jeric, please limit yourself to your requests, without turning this into a critique of other platforms.