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samurai_x
03-19-2018, 10:12 AM
hope its better than 3. :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xE3J56pabk&feature=youtu.be

Subscription??

TheLexx
03-19-2018, 10:58 AM
At 0:17s it states "Prime/Free (2 GPUS)". Not sure what that means.

paulk
03-19-2018, 11:25 AM
At 0:17s it states "Prime/Free (2 GPUS)". Not sure what that means.

Probably means the low-end versions support only 1 or 2 gpus at a time.

TheLexx
03-19-2018, 12:41 PM
Probably means the low-end versions support only 1 or 2 gpus at a time.

Ah ! I thought "Free" meant maybe a free permanent version up to 2 GPUS. Don't worry, I just poured a cup of cold water over myself to save others the hassle.

Markc
03-19-2018, 12:41 PM
Ah.......finally talk of AMD gpu support :)
Looks like I will have to wait till 2019 though.

TheLexx
03-19-2018, 01:02 PM
Wait, at 0:53:-

New Free Tier
Frictionless Gateway into Octane + RNDR ecosystem.
All features of Octane 4 (No watermark)
Free for personal or commercial use - one PC/user

Wow, it does seem like a free version after all.

Chris S. (Fez)
03-19-2018, 01:48 PM
Confused. How much for Octane + Lightwave plug in now?

CourtJester
03-19-2018, 02:36 PM
Confused. How much for Octane + Lightwave plug in now?

Says "support for 12+ DCC plugins", which I take to mean the plugins that connect Octane to other apps.

So it appears to be "zero".

Works perfect for me, I've got 2018 and two 1080ti's I use for Houdini + Redshift.

Oh, that means I'll have Octane in Houdini too. :)

EDIT: per discussion on the Redshift forums, the free version will only have 12 out of 21 DCC plugs, so not sure yet if LW included.

rustythe1
03-19-2018, 02:56 PM
My Tumbler surfaces again!

rustythe1
03-19-2018, 03:00 PM
so now you need to go out and purchase volta cards (gtx2080), and rumour is they will be twice the price, i.e card that was 10xx $700 will be 20xx $1400

rustythe1
03-19-2018, 03:08 PM
and here is a funny one, after all the flack newtek got over the extended period http://www.cgchannel.com/2016/04/otoy-reveals-the-future-of-octane/ otoys roadmap would lead us to believe we should have had v4 a year ago!
and regarding that, subscription could sting current 6x titan users! but dual card users, massive win! free!

And is every one moaning about the fact that they put the price up and changed the way its released on otoys forums?

was supposed to be $19.99 mon for unlimited GPU, now $20 mon for 20 GPU

rustythe1
03-19-2018, 03:17 PM
Says "support for 12+ DCC plugins", which I take to mean the plugins that connect Octane to other apps.

So it appears to be "zero".

Works perfect for me, I've got 2018 and two 1080ti's I use for Houdini + Redshift.

Oh, that means I'll have Octane in Houdini too. :)

EDIT: per discussion on the Redshift forums, the free version will only have 12 out of 21 DCC plugs, so not sure yet if LW included.

it does seem to suggest the others will be added later, which also suggests the free version could differ in some way, meaning if you want full functionality you could be forced into subscription?

Rayek
03-19-2018, 03:25 PM
so now you need to go out and purchase volta cards (gtx2080), and rumour is they will be twice the price, i.e card that was 10xx $700 will be 20xx $1400

I bought my GTX 1080 last summer (July) just before the prices began to increase: CAN$650. Now 1080 cards retail between CAN$1000 up to CAN$1300 at Newegg! (Before tax)

rustythe1
03-19-2018, 03:45 PM
yep, you can thank bit coin mining, people are burning them in 6 months and getting them replaced, so NVidia is rumoured to x2 the price to compensate

TheLexx
03-19-2018, 03:46 PM
I bought my GTX 1080 last summer (July) just before the prices began to increase: CAN$650. Now 1080 cards retail between CAN$1000 up to CAN$1300 at Newegg! (Before tax)

I understand this is because of "mining" Bitcoin or similar. If that currency crashes, then hopefully GPUS will be thrown around like confetti. :D

Rayek
03-19-2018, 03:50 PM
I wonder if AMD ProRender and Cycles have been the motivators behind Otoy's free version. Both have been adopted in various platforms, and both are free.

Ztreem
03-19-2018, 03:57 PM
I wonder if AMD ProRender and Cycles have been the motivators behind Otoy's free version. Both have been adopted in various platforms, and both are free.

Octane allready have a free version for Unity so this just feel like natural step forward. I don’t think ProRender or Cycles have anything to do with this. It’s the way most software is going now, either free/ cheap/ subscription.

Rayek
03-19-2018, 04:27 PM
In my opinion Otoy's response is a logical one when one takes the direct (free and open source) competition into consideration. I suppose it is one factor, and not responding to this would be a ill-advised move.

Ztreem
03-19-2018, 06:02 PM
and here is a funny one, after all the flack newtek got over the extended period http://www.cgchannel.com/2016/04/otoy-reveals-the-future-of-octane/ otoys roadmap would lead us to believe we should have had v4 a year ago!

I think this is a bit different from newteks silence and two year delay. The article is from April 2016 and it says that the octane two year roadmap. 2016+2=2018 so no worries yet. It also states that octane 4 will be due in 2017 but not when in 2017. So if its the end of 2017 then its only three month delayed and it doesn’t state if its a release or beta that is due in 2017.

samurai_x
03-19-2018, 06:56 PM
and here is a funny one, after all the flack newtek got over the extended period http://www.cgchannel.com/2016/04/otoy-reveals-the-future-of-octane/ otoys roadmap would lead us to believe we should have had v4 a year ago!
and regarding that, subscription could sting current 6x titan users! but dual card users, massive win! free!

And is every one moaning about the fact that they put the price up and changed the way its released on otoys forums?

was supposed to be $19.99 mon for unlimited GPU, now $20 mon for 20 GPU

I guess you don't hang around oc forums. Tons of people moan about the product. From missing features that they didn't deliver until the next version or not working features. :D
Reason many users migrated to Redshift. But this new OC V4 looks impressive on paper, as usual.
I'll believe it when I see it.

paulk
03-19-2018, 09:16 PM
Ah ! I thought "Free" meant maybe a free permanent version up to 2 GPUS. Don't worry, I just poured a cup of cold water over myself to save others the hassle.

You were probably right. "Free" would be a no-cost permanent license that supports up to 2 GPUs, but with a limited feature set. More boxes checked off on the comparison chart as you follow the money.

jboudreau
03-20-2018, 11:23 AM
Hi Guys, I will try and clear the air from what I heard and saw on several videos and interviews regarding Octane 4.0

For those that already bought or own Octane, The upgrade to version 4 will be free and it will be the versoin of the tier you are currently with. For example:

Subscription Users will get Octane Subcription version for Free (Limited to 20 GPU's)
Prepetual Licensed Users will get Octane v4.0 Enterprise Version for Free (Limited to 200 GPU's)

As for the "Free Tier" I saw some people write that they will get a free version of octane if they have 2 GPU's in there system. (NO that is not the case) Yes there will be a free version but right now Otoy is still deciding which plugins for what software will be free for example:(Octane plugin for Blender, Houdini, etc.) From an interview they stated that not all the plugins will be free but probably half of them. So unfortunately lightwave may not be on that list of free plugins. If it is on that list then yes there will be a free version of Octane and it will be limited to only 2 GPU's

Here is the video of the interview I was talking about above. It talks about the Free Tier at the 7min mark of the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=XIaqkCENFVI

Hope this helped clear up some things

Thanks,
Jason

calilifestyle
03-20-2018, 12:59 PM
So if you pick up the standalone now, you'll get the plugins free in v4?

rcallicotte
03-20-2018, 01:02 PM
https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=66013

Link to the downloads

kopperdrake
03-20-2018, 01:16 PM
For those that already bought or own Octane, The upgrade to version 4 will be free and it will be the versoin of the tier you are currently with. For example:

Subscription Users will get Octane Subcription version for Free (Limited to 20 GPU's)
Prepetual Licensed Users will get Octane v4.0 Enterprise Version for Free (Limited to 200 GPU's)

Wow! Very generous! Can't wait :D

rustythe1
03-20-2018, 02:24 PM
Hi Guys, I will try and clear the air from what I heard and saw on several videos and interviews regarding Octane 4.0

For those that already bought or own Octane, The upgrade to version 4 will be free and it will be the versoin of the tier you are currently with. For example:

Subscription Users will get Octane Subcription version for Free (Limited to 20 GPU's)
Prepetual Licensed Users will get Octane v4.0 Enterprise Version for Free (Limited to 200 GPU's)

As for the "Free Tier" I saw some people write that they will get a free version of octane if they have 2 GPU's in there system. (NO that is not the case) Yes there will be a free version but right now Otoy is still deciding which plugins for what software will be free for example:(Octane plugin for Blender, Houdini, etc.) From an interview they stated that not all the plugins will be free but probably half of them. So unfortunately lightwave may not be on that list of free plugins. If it is on that list then yes there will be a free version of Octane and it will be limited to only 2 GPU's

Here is the video of the interview I was talking about above. It talks about the Free Tier at the 7min mark of the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=85&v=XIaqkCENFVI

Hope this helped clear up some things

Thanks,
Jason

I think all your info is all incorrect, subscription will continue to pay subscription, not free (hint its in the name) enterprise will not be given to old customers for free as its a new studio tier as is pro, current users will be upgraded to the equivalent to what they have now for free (I'm guessing with all the plugins) but I think it means there will be no new perpetual as the plugin part becomes redundant due to pro and free, so if they have perpetual, that's what they get,

TheLexx
03-20-2018, 02:45 PM
I think this means the Lightwave plugin is about to be imminently updated.

Also, when Octane 4 becomes the norm, will it be exclusively subscription or will there still be a permanent version ?

rustythe1
03-20-2018, 04:03 PM
well as multiple plugins are included in free, and all are in pro, the perpetual sort of becomes obsolete as far as i can see, why pay for a lightwave and standalone etc, when for most small users it would be free, even if LW plugin dosnt surface right away, there is so many other options when pipelines are becoming so robust,

samurai_x
03-21-2018, 02:31 AM
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They don't mention free plugins for any unless its subscription. Enterprise and free users will most definitely pay for some plugins.

Asticles
03-21-2018, 05:47 AM
This makes more sense to me.
Free version getting only standalone also.

rustythe1
03-21-2018, 10:37 AM
but then the plugin price and package size would currently make no sense as they don't tie up with the new tiers, and no combo, and they are avoiding answering how it will work on the forum (for example if you just got a 3x combo pack and each machine has 3 cards? surely it now means you have to subscribe a 1x and an extra node, but you might need 2 extra plugin lic if you want to run them independent? and will you have to pay for upgrade plugins at different times? i can see it all getting messy)

samurai_x
03-22-2018, 09:10 PM
AI, the new buzz word this year.




http://forums.newtek.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=140837&d=1521774509



140837

Skywatcher_NT
03-23-2018, 03:25 AM
Is Panos getting a bit nervous ? :)

OFF
03-23-2018, 05:44 AM
He speaks quite rightly about the potential problems of interaction between denoise and textures, especially in the field of architectural visualization.

rustythe1
03-25-2018, 05:59 AM
yep, ive seen a lot of renders where textures just vanish when they get too small, bump maps become flat and it all starts to look a lot more old style cgi

samurai_x
04-07-2018, 12:04 AM
https://scontent.fceb2-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30127062_10215904569915443_1570715513477136384_n.j pg?_nc_cat=0&oh=a308353839095a81b4bda30aa5c01314&oe=5B71F9F2

3 minutes on octane standalone. Power of GPU.
A lot of overbrights and nuclear war outside the room.

Curious how long this renders with cycles with its new cpu/gpu hybrid renderer.

3dworks
04-07-2018, 02:25 AM
to adjust the outside exposure, just drop a lower exposed copy of the environment node into 'visible environment' slot in the render target...

samurai_x
04-07-2018, 05:37 AM
That's Lino's render.

MichaelT
04-07-2018, 09:55 AM
Let's say you have a static point in the scene.. deliberately white. But only slightly around the size of a pixel (for whatever reason) That would probably get deleted by the AI. Or other smaller details like that. I don't assume the AI knows to detect that the detail is meant to be kept, like if it is moving about etc.. But so far (from what I've seen) it is producing good results.

erikals
04-22-2018, 05:02 AM
hi there,

wonder, is it confirmed we will get a Octane 4 LW plugin ?
edit: it seems so... :)

https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=64035

zapper1998
06-29-2018, 09:59 PM
So let me get this correct here

I am running 3.08.1.0 ... (Licensed version) Lightwave 2015.3 (64bit)

And I have a Titan and a 1080. I enable the 1080 which is GPU0, i get an error.

It works fine with the Titan, just cant use both at same time. hmmmm

Octane recognizes the 1080 and knows it there??

Yes the video drivers are version 398.11


Thanks
Mike

vonpietro
07-01-2018, 09:06 PM
i just checked the octane website for purchasing a lw plugin
it says
OctaneRender™ for NewTek® LightWave™ License
($219)

So the standard license says it's for 3 though.

they announced that octane 4 stand alone will be free - but i couldn't find anything about that in the purching page.

so i'm assuming that lw plugin is for version 3?

the combo license was 589 again assuming its version 3.

anyone know what they are going to do with 4 and lw plug in?

if they keep the plug in cost low like that - it becomes much more affordable than the $589

OFF
07-01-2018, 11:26 PM
Strongly I doubt that Otoy will reduce the cost or make the standalone version free of charge - all their price policy shows the opposite. They do not even give the right to others to create rendering services on the basis of rendering through Octane.

erikals
07-02-2018, 12:41 AM
I am running 3.08.1.0 ... (Licensed version) Lightwave 2015.3 (64bit)

And I have a Titan and a 1080. I enable the 1080 which is GPU0, i get an error.

It works fine with the Titan, just cant use both at same time. hmmmm

Octane recognizes the 1080 and knows it there??

Yes the video drivers are version 398.11

good question, maybe ask at the Octane forums also
this thread might give clues ?
https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=54601&sid=20a60b29d5da623c4f865f287e8d509b

50one
07-02-2018, 01:56 AM
Strongly I doubt that Otoy will reduce the cost or make the standalone version free of charge - all their price policy shows the opposite. They do not even give the right to others to create rendering services on the basis of rendering through Octane.

Yep, was gutted when realised that network rendering(team render in c4d) is not possible when you are on subscription. It is possible to use multiple machones for live view but it doesn't work for some reason. Docs are very unclear. It was just a response found on the forum that explained this, which I found by accident.

rustythe1
07-02-2018, 02:50 AM
Strongly I doubt that Otoy will reduce the cost or make the standalone version free of charge - all their price policy shows the opposite. They do not even give the right to others to create rendering services on the basis of rendering through Octane.

stand alone is going to be free for two cards, there was an announcement video posted, but they know anyone who is serious with octane uses 3 to 4 cards, so its a way to pull you in and get you going, but you will still have to pay if you want to do any serious work, as its not clear as if it means you can only have 2 gpu installed or only use 2, in which case as one will be doing your display it could actually be limited to rendering on one card especially if your running 4k

zapper1998
07-19-2018, 01:33 PM
OK

Downloaded the GURU DDO and removed the 398.36 NVidia drivers and installed the 387.92 drivers and all is working now

Both GPU's are running again...

Thank you

sadkkf
07-20-2018, 07:44 AM
Does anyone know I'd benefit from having two GPUs of different manufacture installed? I recently installed a 1080 to replace my AMD.

Could I put the AMD back in as a second GPU and use both for rendering?

OFF
07-20-2018, 07:46 AM
You can use AMD only as an image output on the display, but Octane does not work with AMD video cards.

sadkkf
07-20-2018, 08:05 AM
Well, crap. Thank you for the information, though.

OFF
08-15-2018, 09:29 AM
Octane 5 new features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChweQETKTE

TheLexx
08-15-2018, 09:59 AM
Octane 5 new features.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChweQETKTE
Does anyone know how the Lightwave and Octane combination stands at the moment ?

pixym
08-15-2018, 10:39 AM
I use Octane v4 as my main renderer for nearly two months right now. This combination has really changed my life !

TheLexx
08-15-2018, 11:02 AM
I use Octane v4 as my main renderer for nearly two months right now. This combination has really changed my life !

Ah, so Octane 4 definitely works with Lightwave ! Thanks, that's really good to know. I thought people were still waiting to confirm Octane 3 with LW2018 - obviously I was wrong :), though the Otoy site is not as friendly to navigate as it used to be, and the Lightwave doc there is dated 26 May 2017. And the licensing will change imminently (?).

I understand Octane is pretty much the only GPU for option for Octane, so I wonder if Octane 5 will be compatible. With those new Nvidia cards it looks a powerhouse.

TheLexx
08-15-2018, 01:47 PM
Ok, got it.

Octane 4 appears to be in a beta version with LW2018, and juanjgon (clever guy !) awaits the new licensing system to see what pans out.

Lightwave thread on the Octane forum.
https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=68402&sd=d

:)

THIBAULT
08-16-2018, 03:12 AM
Just a render network problem with last beta build 4.00.0.9 XB4 ! Crashing !

OFF
08-16-2018, 07:01 PM
Octane from Siggraph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aF5KeaGFc&t=107s

pixym
08-17-2018, 09:30 AM
v4 RC2 has been released :
https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=68528