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Nicolas Jordan
12-31-2017, 01:09 PM
After watching the videos that Antti has posted so far https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCETvhP9_Rq_tKn2_Pinw1Rg I'm convinced that the new rendering features and enhancements alone are worth the $295 upgrade price for me.

Who plans on upgrading and why?

GandB
12-31-2017, 01:20 PM
Unsure; mainly due to utilizing Blender at this time for game art. I may revisit it in the future, depending on whether there is a clear path for future development. Talk is rather cheap around here. I do, however, hold out high hopes for all involved; and don't rule out a return to Lightwave for me.

Nicolas Jordan
12-31-2017, 01:28 PM
For doing Arch Viz work I find Lightwave to still be very fast, productive and efficient compared to other options out there. I can see especially for those who do a variety of work in 3D that it might not necessarily be the best option for them.

jperk
12-31-2017, 01:31 PM
I'm upgrading.

Wade
12-31-2017, 01:32 PM
I will - I have always felt I got my money's worth when I upgrade / stay current as I get to use all the improvements from day one. 295.00 is cheap enough not to worry one way or the other. If the next update is 6 months out great it will have new feature worth the price if it is years away then my cost per day for the last upgrade drops to the .25 cents a day relm.

TheLexx
12-31-2017, 01:32 PM
Count me in. So that's three sales ! I'm not sure there will be an instantaneous glut of sales immediately after midnight due it being Sunday plus a New Years Eve where people get distracted by all sorts of stuff....but I sure hope I'm wrong. Reasons - support LW, new FiberFX, want to learn the PBR workflow and knowing I won't have to spend again till the next update in 15 years from now !!! (Joke, I was just joking on that last one :) !).

erikals
12-31-2017, 01:34 PM
once i get a dollar.

not a LW complaint, rather a complaint in regards to my economy.   :)

happy new, and may 2018 bring us all $$$! :)


https://i.imgur.com/Jdurzbm.png

jperk
12-31-2017, 01:43 PM
http://futurefemaleleader.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/giphy-10.gif

Signal to Noise
12-31-2017, 01:43 PM
I will be. I had already put a reminder in my calendar for The Big Day.

erikals
12-31-2017, 01:48 PM
i also look forward to seeing what's possible in LW2018.

very curious to see if 3rdPowers can/will have a go at Layout Sculpt Tools.

....aaaand speculation mode > on!

Dillon
12-31-2017, 02:12 PM
Oh .... **** yea!

I have to admit that I'm a little confused as to what exactly happened with 'Next". Rob Powers/Lino and team at LW3DGroup said they would do with the next generation of LW. And then started a blog about it, with details about these changes. And then the silence started....

The thing is, this 2018 release looks exactly like LW3DGroup delievered on their promises? So why the long silence and split?

Anyways... I can't wait to see what 3rd party developers come out with. I suspect this "geo replacement" engine is going to create a *huge* amount of innovation among 3rd party developers.

Nicolas Jordan
12-31-2017, 02:32 PM
I'm not sure there will be an instantaneous glut of sales immediately after midnight due it being Sunday plus a New Years Eve where people get distracted by all sorts of stuff....but I sure hope I'm wrong.

Even though I plan on upgrading I won't be making my purchase at midnight. I have to get to sleep early so I can get up at 4:30 am to drive my wife to work. I'm also currently busy on a project for a client so I won't have time to set up 2018 and play around with it yet anyway. I'm hoping I will have time to get it before the end of the week though.

gamedesign1
12-31-2017, 02:33 PM
Possibly yeh

raw-m
12-31-2017, 02:56 PM
I think the price is a no-brainer! Looking forward to tomorrow :D

wingzeta
12-31-2017, 03:08 PM
Plan to upgrade once I get the chance, which should be within the first week of release. The videos from Antti have shown the new render features are worth the price. New PBR materials, new lights, new environment light are all significant upgrades. The videos have shown that the control and options seem to be pretty deep, compared to what we saw in the blog.

I am also concerned about what the behind the scenes shake up means for future development. I think what a lot of people were worried about if things went wrong, was a lack luster release, that was the same old LW with a few minor improvements. That would show they were incapable of real progress. What we see with this release however, is that significant work was done. It may not be unification, but there are a lot of big changes to everything involved in rendering. Now, I'm not sure what to think. You don't do this much work if you are planning to give up on the product, but considering the departure of Rob, under mysterious circumstances, we still don't know what is going on with this product, and they won't tell us. So they have a product that is great in many ways, that people care about, but that it is impossible to have confidence in, long term. I'll buy it, because I can live with the price, and I will use it, but I wish we could get a commitment from NewTek on their future intentions. It would help LW succeed.

tyrot
12-31-2017, 03:13 PM
2 hours to go!
(i guess)

OFF
12-31-2017, 03:38 PM
The only thing that by and large confuses me is that I did not see the embodiment of those changes in the render engine, which were demonstrated in the early demo video about LWNext. When the renderer settings panel was very similar to Arnold render. But most of my projects today are connected with LW and Octane render, so I need to upgrade due to OGL performance improvement, at least.

50one
12-31-2017, 03:50 PM
I'll wait for reviews and maybe update before deadline.
I can see a bit of desperation here, so will sit tight and see what other thinks.

Ma3rk
12-31-2017, 03:56 PM
For pretty much the same reasons as 50one, Yes but just not right away.

That being said, from the vids I've seen (and an unoffical demo I got to see a few months back), it's looking pretty solid but of course systems vary.

jperk
12-31-2017, 03:58 PM
so what is the GMT to EST time?

50one
12-31-2017, 04:01 PM
Anti videos are excellent tho and his edfort much appreciated.

Just some others aspects I will not mention as I've told to STF haha. HNY 2018.

Chris S. (Fez)
12-31-2017, 04:03 PM
All the primary developers are still with Newtek, apparently already working on the next release. The core team of coders is still intact after well over a decade.

Meanwhile, Max has had 4 product managers and let go of entire teams of coders multiple times in the past 10 years. Stingray is now following XSI to the grave. Mudbox is on life support. A quarter of Autodesk's workforce was recently fired. Combined with mandatory subscription: THAT is hubris and mismanagement on another level.

Newtek is not perfect but Lightwavers doth protest too much IMO.

Unlike practically every other program, Lightwave is not at the mercy of investers and stockholders. Yet users vastly underestimate how much time and money Newtek has invested in Lightwave.

Antti's videos clinch it. $295 looks like a steal for the rendering alone. Buy it or try it! If it is quality software then kindly spread the word.

Strider_X
12-31-2017, 04:07 PM
so what is the gmt to est time?

12am gmt = 7pm est

Photogram
12-31-2017, 04:08 PM
so what is the GMT to EST time?

Actually it is 11:09 o clock pm GMT so midnignt in less than an hour!

https://time.is/fr/GMT

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20180101T0001&p0=136&msg=LightWave+2018+Launch&font=sanserif

jperk
12-31-2017, 04:09 PM
12am gmt = 7pm est

Sweet. I'm all ready.

MichaelT
12-31-2017, 04:15 PM
New year! And happy new year to all of you! (And yes.. I will upgrade! And I think the upgrade will begin with new year in US. Pacific time presumably :) )

jasonwestmas
12-31-2017, 04:30 PM
I'm not sure where Lightwave fits in my list of needs anymore. It used to be for plugin and modeling options but that's not as much of an issue these days in other apps. The competition has progressed and become more affordable since 2010 so I'll keep an eye open but not sure what to do with just a PBR/BSDF workflow. Animation improvements don't appear to be in focus for lightwave. And again so many tools still stuck in modeler that should be in Layout too.

Lito
12-31-2017, 04:30 PM
Well I don't see any reason not to upgrade for the price ATM. The only real question is when. Do I want to play with the trial version first or just upgrade sight unseen in ~30 minutes if the 12:01 am GMT time is followed? I am in no hurry to get it but for some reason I am kind of itching to get it lol.

TheLexx
12-31-2017, 04:36 PM
Just a reminder that the OD Toolset (http://origamidigital.com/newtypo/index.php/software.html) for 2018 will also be available sometime on 1st Jan, discounted prices till 14th.

kyuzo
12-31-2017, 04:53 PM
I'll be upgrading, but once I've paid off Christmas...

Photogram
12-31-2017, 05:10 PM
Now available!!!

https://www.lightwave3d.com/

TheLexx
12-31-2017, 05:10 PM
LW 2018 IS NOW AVAILABLE (https://www.lightwave3d.com/buy-lightwave/). :) :)

Kryslin
12-31-2017, 05:12 PM
Upgrading now.

Upgrading more things during the week.

Snosrap
12-31-2017, 05:13 PM
Installing now!

jperk
12-31-2017, 05:15 PM
Got my monies ready. Just waiting for Newtek to send me the purchase link.

Wickedpup
12-31-2017, 05:15 PM
Newtek is not perfect but Lightwavers doth protest too much IMO.
Like you said....your opinion. Going by the "complete" customer experience of purchasing a software, how you are met and treated by the company, etc, and comparing it with other companies IMO they should protest more :D

Qexit
12-31-2017, 05:17 PM
So, as it is now 12:17 am should the title of this thread be changed to: Who has upgraded to LW 2018 ? :D

Matt
12-31-2017, 05:22 PM
According to the numbers, quite a lot of people!

Vong
12-31-2017, 05:24 PM
I'll be upgrading, just as soon as I have the $$$.

pmwhite
12-31-2017, 05:25 PM
After watching the videos that Antti has posted so far https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCETvhP9_Rq_tKn2_Pinw1Rg I'm convinced that the new rendering features and enhancements alone are worth the $295 upgrade price for me.

Who plans on upgrading and why?

Just upgraded.
Downloading...
Thanks Newtek.
Happy New Year to all.

Skonk
12-31-2017, 05:26 PM
I take it Educational users are out of luck till the office opens back up?

EDIT:

Had reply back quicker than expected.

Qexit
12-31-2017, 05:29 PM
According to the numbers, quite a lot of people!That's good to hear :beerchug: I'll be installing my copy shortly :D

jperk
12-31-2017, 05:31 PM
I take it Educational users are out of luck till the office opens back up?



https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKxBr7xhEgJhaFy/giphy.gif

rustythe1
12-31-2017, 05:38 PM
ouch, looks like,
anyway, yep i upgraded

erikals
12-31-2017, 05:39 PM
According to the numbers, quite a lot of people!
That's Great News! :)

COBRASoft
12-31-2017, 05:39 PM
Just upgraded...

Wade
12-31-2017, 05:44 PM
Well not a mid night but within a few weeks... Then update my LWCAD - am current now but - updated when the next one is released followed by 3DPowers.

jperk
12-31-2017, 05:44 PM
Just upgraded. I officially have a commercial LW license installed on my PC!

COBRASoft
12-31-2017, 05:45 PM
^ Congrats!

rustythe1
12-31-2017, 05:45 PM
and yes! i bunch of my stuff on the install splash screen again :)

50one
12-31-2017, 05:46 PM
Let us all know what you think after playing with it.

Triodin
12-31-2017, 05:47 PM
Got mine!

oliverhotz
12-31-2017, 05:56 PM
Just a reminder that the OD Toolset (http://origamidigital.com/newtypo/index.php/software.html) for 2018 will also be available sometime on 1st Jan, discounted prices till 14th.

its released now:

http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?155473-OD-2018-Tool-Set-Released&p=1530126&viewfull=1#post1530126

DCjr
12-31-2017, 05:58 PM
I just ordered mine! Downloaded the Mac version and I can't run the installer because its damaged.
Noooooooooo!

MichaelT
12-31-2017, 06:06 PM
Installed.. new things to learn... smoothing groups are in FBX... nice nice. :)

tischbein3
12-31-2017, 06:11 PM
first light: 3-4 seconds

...yupp mis-sampled lights work as advertised.... now we are able
to render with hdr studio lights without insane render times.



138999

Triodin
12-31-2017, 06:12 PM
Streaming my first few hours with it here: https://www.twitch.tv/johnnyomaha Happy New Year LWers

darkChief
12-31-2017, 06:23 PM
Got my copy :) Off to bed.

OlaHaldor
12-31-2017, 06:32 PM
Installed.. new things to learn... smoothing groups are in FBX... nice nice. :)

Does that mean; smoothing groups work with imported FBX files?
Or do you mean you can create smoothing groups in Modeler and export FBX with smoothing groups?

erikals
12-31-2017, 06:32 PM
first light: 3-4 seconds

...yupp mis-sampled lights work as advertised.... now we are able
to render with hdr studio lights without insane render times.


138999

looks nice, is MIS a HDR captured light?

jperk
12-31-2017, 06:46 PM
I'm going to play around with it tomorrow!

Ztreem
12-31-2017, 06:47 PM
looks nice, is MIS a HDR captured light?

Multiple importance sample (MIS) basically helps guide rays towards light sources, reducing noise

dirtydog
12-31-2017, 06:57 PM
Got mine, too busy drinking whisky to try.

Cobalt
12-31-2017, 07:02 PM
I just made the purchase and am downloading now! Wait, shouldn't I be out celebrating New Years? The answer is no.

roboman
12-31-2017, 07:14 PM
It's downloading right now.

jperk
12-31-2017, 07:20 PM
Got mine, too busy drinking whisky to try.

I'm getting my glass of woodford reserve ready

fishhead
12-31-2017, 07:38 PM
Upgraded just now! :-)

scallahan1
12-31-2017, 07:56 PM
Soon as I finish my supper I'm going to fetch mine. Total amateur but I want new toys. Maybe I'll start learning more seriously. Gotta spend the Christmas bonus somehow. I'm feeling rather Christmassy (is that a word?) tonight.

Steve

Ma3rk
12-31-2017, 08:06 PM
I'm getting my glass of woodford reserve ready

Oooo. The Double Oaked is my (current) favorite

scallahan1
12-31-2017, 08:14 PM
Watching JohnnyOmaha play with it right now while dining... GO JOHNNY!

Steve

Johnny's cracking me up!

Keadil
12-31-2017, 09:25 PM
Got my upgrade. :)

scallahan1
12-31-2017, 09:46 PM
Downloading mine now...probably install it and fall asleep. Got up way too early this morning. :)

Steve

AnimeJoex
12-31-2017, 09:49 PM
I'm waiting until January 1st (ten minutes) to upgrade so that my first act in 2018 is a good one. ;)

JamesCurtis
12-31-2017, 10:02 PM
Waiting till after midnight. Ball is about b to drop!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!! EVERYONE!!

erikals
12-31-2017, 10:05 PM
Happy New!   :)

https://i.imgur.com/COVpJjA.png


Multiple importance sample (MIS) basically helps guide rays towards light sources, reducing noise
thanks! will read more up on this.

inquisitive
12-31-2017, 10:05 PM
Looking forward to the download. Out of curiosity how large is the download? we have to stream movies right now, so I have to wait.

Re: which of you are still using the dongle? plus/cons? I have mine since v7. Is there a way to switch from using the dongle to not using it (electronic licensing?).

scallahan1
12-31-2017, 10:07 PM
Download is about 257mb. Content file is about 2gig. :)

erikals
12-31-2017, 10:30 PM
Re: which of you are still using the dongle? plus/cons? I have mine since v7. Is there a way to switch from using the dongle to not using it (electronic licensing?).
i seem to recall i just simply removed the dongle (?) try it.   :)

AnimeJoex
12-31-2017, 10:35 PM
Downloading as we speak! Happy New Year to me! :D

JamesCurtis
12-31-2017, 11:04 PM
And to you, AnimeJoex!!

Triodin
12-31-2017, 11:11 PM
Watching JohnnyOmaha play with it right now while dining... GO JOHNNY!

Steve

Johnny's cracking me up!

Thanks Scallahan! Was fun to stumble around, thanks for bopping in :D

Ma3rk
12-31-2017, 11:22 PM
i seem to recall i just simply removed the dongle (?) try it.   :)

Depends on what plug-ins you've got tied to it actually.

Wickedpup
01-01-2018, 01:29 AM
Depends on what plug-ins you've got tied to it actually.
Since you touched on the subject of plugins...how easy is it to transfer custom configs and plugins from 2015 to 2018?

CaptainMarlowe
01-01-2018, 01:38 AM
Will upgrade in a few days and add OD_tools the exact same time. I am currently not at home, and without a computer, so I have to be patient a little. But really looking forward to test it.

Greenlaw
01-01-2018, 02:37 AM
Re: which of you are still using the dongle? plus/cons? I have mine since v7. Is there a way to switch from using the dongle to not using it (electronic licensing?).

I haven't used my LightWave dongle since 11.x-something. Once I got all my plugins updated to work with the soft license, the dongle seemed like a nuisance and I got rid of it. (Ok, I still keep it stored away 'just in case,' but I haven't used it since 2013 so I don't really think I'll use it again.)

The only thing is that if you run LightWave on somebody else's computer, remember to remove your soft license key when you're no longer using it.

Regarding keeping both, in theory, you should be able to just remove the dongle and restart LightWave. However, when I have the dongle installed, my LightWave will run in demo mode if I have the soft license also installed. I've seen that happen with other artists I've worked with too, so it might not be possible. In my experience, anyway, it's either or, and not both.


Since you touched on the subject of plugins...how easy is it to transfer custom configs and plugins from 2015 to 2018?

I wouldn't...IMO, re-using a config between any different versions of LightWave is asking for trouble. This has always true and it is especially so for LightWave 2018.

If you have custom menu tabs and keyboard settings, you can probably salvage those by exported them out from the older LW and importing them to the new one. If the menu tabs are additional to defaults, it should be fine. For custom keyboard shortcuts, be aware that you may be compromising what's been developed specifically for 2018. My feeling is always to try out a new version with the intended settings first and then customize. Quite often I find that there's been improvements in a new release that make my past customizations obsolete.

As for plugins, don't port everything at once. That's asking for trouble too. If you think about it, some plugins will obviously not work in 2018. (Like shaders and many texture/surface related plugins.) General rule is that many Layout plugins will break, and most Modeler plugins will still work. What I've done is added plugins one or very few at a time...it's easier to troubleshoot this way.

Visit this thread to see what works and what doesn't: LightWave 2018 Plugins (Tested) (http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?155400-Lightwave2018-Plugins-List-(Tested))

Last week I tried out a bunch of third party plugins. Many of the Third Powers suite, TurbulenceFD, Deep Rising, VueSynch, DP Verdure worked fine. Right now I'm testing RHiggit, which so far seems fine. (Okay, past testing and actually trying it in production now...I'll post in the above thread if I run into a show-stopper.)

One thing to watch out for: 2018 scenes and objects are not backwards compatible, so if you're porting content from a previous LightWave, be sure to work with a copy.

Farhad_azer
01-01-2018, 03:46 AM
I will definitely do as soon as i pay my bills. until then i will be experimenting with the trial version. very excited about the good news and experiences.

kopperdrake
01-01-2018, 04:14 AM
I'll be upgrading. Our pipeline has LightWave at its core so that's a good start. My brain knows how to use it, so that's another plus. I'm happy modelling in Modeler with LWCAD so that side is good. I've spent the last year using Octane and a PBR workflow so I'm comfortable with that side of things. If we changed to another piece of software we would have to learn that from scratch - sticking with LightWave means we know much already.

Work is mainly product stills/animations and interior/exterior arch viz plus general illustration for ad agencies. Most critical aspect is time - the ability to pop something out quickly and of decent quality.

spigolo
01-01-2018, 05:53 AM
I will wait for the moment, due to the silence of Newtek we started to use Modo last year and all lightwave improvments are already present in Modo and there is better communication from the Foundry about the future...
I was expecting from Newtek (or LWG) some statement, ok, I don't pretend a roadmap but for instance something like: Sorry, we apologize but from now You will get a new version every year etc etc. or something different, but after 3 years of silence and only improvements on rendering and some optimization (I'm sure they costed lot of efforts and they are good) how can we invest in a software if I don't know if there will be ever some improvemnts in the modeler, or in animation etc. etc. I loved Lw for more than 20 years but is hard to invest on it again if you are always behind and even if workflow is great who reassure me that if there is some incompatibility between Lw 2018 and future upgrade of winows 10 they will be fixed by maintenance upogrades or patch? Or if fbx doesn't work they will release an update ?See what happened with LW 2015, after verison 2015.3 we had no bug fixing despite users were claiming and we had to wait 3 years to get new version...I think like I said in the thread I started (we deserve a roadmap) that at least we deserve some statement about the future, but despite promises I heard only a big silence since now...

mch
01-01-2018, 06:25 AM
Upgraded to Lightwave 2018 !

Happy new year to all Lightwave users and the team that rolled out the release !!!

Downloading and installation went smooth.

Installing LWCAD 5.5, StarPro went fine. Both working.
OD Tools 2018 and db-w infinimap and EXRtrader 2018 updates ordered . . .

Old models /projects import fine . . .
PBR to be explored . . . :-)

Regards,

Marcus

gerry_g
01-01-2018, 07:14 AM
Upgraded this morning, opening old scenes is not as dangerous as it been made out to be, the loader prompts you create a new empty directory and it will re write every thing for that scene to this location_ Images, Objects & Scenes all properly in their own directory so no need to work with a copy at all LW will handle it for you, as for 2018 itself, it's different and will take some time to figure out new ways of doing things as not everything is the way it used to be

Philbert
01-01-2018, 07:17 AM
Definitely upgrading, just don't have the money right now.

tischbein3
01-01-2018, 07:25 AM
looks nice, is MIS a HDR captured light?

In short MIS does reduce the amount of noise cast by a textured light. Before 2018 you
needed some geometry wich the hdr is mapped on and a _lot_ of GI samples to
get a noise free image. Rendering the usage of HDR Lights in LW mainly impossible

Now you can use some hdr of existing lights and setup a studio lighting environment without
big hastle.

darkChief
01-01-2018, 07:47 AM
2018's working well so far, just taking a tour and playing around with the new settings. Here's a quick test render of brute force global illumination. And finally learned how to use image masks. :D

http://deepfxworld.com/image_share/LW2018_Quicke.jpg

Wickedpup
01-01-2018, 11:49 AM
I wouldn't...IMO, re-using a config between any different versions of LightWave is asking for trouble. This has always true and it is especially so for LightWave 2018.

If you have custom menu tabs and keyboard settings, you can probably salvage those by exported them out from the older LW and importing them to the new one. If the menu tabs are additional to defaults, it should be fine. For custom keyboard shortcuts, be aware that you may be compromising what's been developed specifically for 2018. My feeling is always to try out a new version with the intended settings first and then customize. Quite often I find that there's been improvements in a new release that make my past customizations obsolete.

As for plugins, don't port everything at once. That's asking for trouble too. If you think about it, some plugins will obviously not work in 2018. (Like shaders and many texture/surface related plugins.) General rule is that many Layout plugins will break, and most Modeler plugins will still work. What I've done is added plugins one or very few at a time...it's easier to troubleshoot this way.

Visit this thread to see what works and what doesn't: LightWave 2018 Plugins (Tested) (http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?155400-Lightwave2018-Plugins-List-(Tested))

Last week I tried out a bunch of third party plugins. Many of the Third Powers suite, TurbulenceFD, Deep Rising, VueSynch, DP Verdure worked fine. Right now I'm testing RHiggit, which so far seems fine. (Okay, past testing and actually trying it in production now...I'll post in the above thread if I run into a show-stopper.)
Thanks, Greenlaw. Never had much issues with exporting configs/plugins. Then again it is mostly Modeler that I have modified......but I`ll take it slow and step by step this time.....

c.1
01-01-2018, 02:27 PM
Just bought in. I wish I had seen Ryan’s tour video a few days ago, I would have bought in as soon as it was available.
$372 cnd......a no brainer, how could I not pull the trigger.
(Although I still like my “buy 2018 for $201.80 idea. :hey: )

Spinland
01-01-2018, 05:30 PM
Just did. Hell, at that price the upgrade was cheaper than a pair of Jim Wagner guitar pickups. :jam:

c.1
01-01-2018, 06:22 PM
Just did. Hell, at that price the upgrade was cheaper than a pair of Jim Wagner guitar pickups. :jam:

I usually by a new guitar, effects pedal or such at this time of year, but there were no good deals out there this year.
So the stars aligned for a LW2018 upgrade.

Spinland
01-01-2018, 06:25 PM
I usually by a new guitar, effects pedal or such at this time of year, but there were no good deals out there this year.
So the stars aligned for a LW2018 upgrade.

Love it when a plan comes together. :rock:

fablefox
01-02-2018, 06:07 AM
I'll sit this one out... basically due to Substance support among others...

I want to see how LW will handle future upgrades. I don't want to be in the dark for years without bug fixes...

oliverhotz
01-02-2018, 06:39 AM
I'll sit this one out... basically due to Substance support among others...

I want to see how LW will handle future upgrades. I don't want to be in the dark for years without bug fixes...

In regards to substance, I will release this very shortly: https://vimeo.com/247086500

GandB
01-02-2018, 10:37 AM
I'll sit this one out... basically due to Substance support among others...

I want to see how LW will handle future upgrades. I don't want to be in the dark for years without bug fixes...

That's kind of how I'm feeling too. It's great that Chuck weighed in; but I want to see how it ACTUALLY fleshes out.

MichaelT
01-02-2018, 10:54 AM
Up to you, but by sitting out.. you are also accepting a higher price of entry. But like I said... up to you.

pinkmouse
01-02-2018, 12:25 PM
Bit of spare cash ATM, so I'll probably upgrade, but not 'till March, I want to see how this new, more "open" communications works out. And if I don't see significant progress on LW for the next release, 2018 is likely the last version I'll ever buy.

dulo
01-02-2018, 12:29 PM
Just invested my 249 Euro to get 2018 .. still sifting through the content directory .. problem with mouse cursor on 4k display and I cant get the new denoiser to work .. but all in all a very nice upgrade !

sudac20
01-02-2018, 05:34 PM
I just updated... one last chance for LWG. If they go dark again for an expanded time I will stop supporting the company. Too many other options out there... I just have a soft spot fo Lightwave (fingers crossed)

fablefox
01-03-2018, 02:41 AM
Up to you, but by sitting out.. you are also accepting a higher price of entry. But like I said... up to you.

I know. The thing is, other than substance issue above which is going to cost me extra:

a) They haven't replied an e-mail that I sent on 19/12/2017.
b) The online upgrade system/store is still problematic for me. I wonder if this also part of their "don't want to screw local distributor" legacy. And I'm just tired of local distributor.
c) undo.
and others from review of other users.

I'm a hobbyist. I always wonder to upgrade my commercial modo 401 or LW 10 Edu to commercial. Yes, still on 401. The reason is that Blender has managed to fulfill by hobby need. But I have some cash to spare for an upgrade (year end bonus). I notice that LW has posted an image rendered in Unreal Engine. But with modo bridge and substance support, it seems modo is better choice. For now.

GandB
01-03-2018, 06:59 AM
Up to you, but by sitting out.. you are also accepting a higher price of entry. But like I said... up to you.

Oh, I fully understand that. But I've seen this same song and dance three times now. I hold out hope that this time is different; but for now, Blender fits my needs. Whether I make the move or not, it's always good to have healthy competition!

samurai_x
01-03-2018, 07:08 AM
You two guys say the same thing in the Foundry forum. I might buy or upgrade modo(not sure which one actually has a license).....but but but modo is this, that. I thought blender is the messiah. :D

fablefox
01-04-2018, 02:49 AM
You two guys say the same thing in the Foundry forum. I might buy or upgrade modo(not sure which one actually has a license).....but but but modo is this, that. I thought blender is the messiah. :D

I'm always like that since 2010 :-P

Every time there was a new version out, I'll weight. It just that then there was CORE issue, and MODO looks promising, although I waited for CA and sound. Back then (2010) I bought LW for the renderer and 999 render license, and MODO for modelling.
But modo, understandly, focused on modelling more. As seen with the unreal bridge.

LW, looks quite interesting and I actually loves the text based GUI (although it need to be designed/managed better, as other mentioned). I almost upgraded sometime ago, but my experience with local distributor made me prefer something I could just buy online.

Funny you mentioned messiah. There is a reason I think this year is the right year for me to upgrade, other than $$$ issue. I just snatched Akeytsu (which now finally reached 1.0) through their end of year sale (40% off). I was one of those Dare something Project Messiah purchaser. There are many other variables that happens recently. Anyway, as a hobbyist, I can always wait and use Blender in the meantime.

Anyway, Foundry was smart by releasing 3 times a year and made upgrade/renewal date based. People no longer need to wait. Just buy and you get around 3 updates - which include future version depending on when you buy.

Oh well...

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You two guys say the same thing in the Foundry forum. I might buy or upgrade modo(not sure which one actually has a license).....but but but modo is this, that. I thought blender is the messiah. :D

I'm always like that since 2010 :-P

Every time there was a new version out, I'll weight. It just that then there was CORE issue, and MODO looks promising, although I waited for CA and sound. Back then (2010) I bought LW for the renderer and 999 render license, and MODO for modelling.
But modo, understandly, focused on modelling more. As seen with the unreal bridge.

LW, looks quite interesting and I actually loves the text based GUI (although it need to be designed/managed better, as other mentioned). I almost upgraded sometime ago, but my experience with local distributor made me prefer something I could just buy online.

Funny you mentioned messiah. There is a reason I think this year is the right year for me to upgrade, other than $$$ issue. I just snatched Akeytsu (which now finally reached 1.0) through their end of year sale (40% off). I was one of those Dare something Project Messiah purchaser. There are many other variables that happens recently. Anyway, as a hobbyist, I can always wait and use Blender in the meantime.

Anyway, Foundry was smart by releasing 3 times a year and made upgrade/renewal date based. People no longer need to wait. Just buy and you get around 3 updates - which include future version depending on when you buy.

Oh well...

alexs3d
01-04-2018, 05:28 AM
I already updated at the same time it was released, i do 3d in my freetime, so i do not earn money with the work of it, but i wanted to support lightwave and the developer behind.

btw i love how lw2018 is working, new rendereingine is great and it is only the start, would have liked to see more work on modeler but i think this is coming in future ;)

Spinland
01-04-2018, 05:37 AM
...but i wanted to support lightwave and the developer behind.

This is my philosophy, as well. I have my own gripes about LW and the way it's being managed right now, but those gripes aren't show-stoppers and I see no point in airing them here. When the rubber meets the ramp LW has done a lot to help me earn my living and I feel the team behind it deserves my support (and my dollars).