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sadkkf
01-06-2017, 08:07 AM
I'm using a Logitech Wave MK570, but it's getting old and losing its responsiveness so I'm looking for something new. The Wave has been fine and I'd be happy with another one, but wonder if someone has a KB they really love and can recommend. :)

Wireless is ideal, but I could go with a wired model with a long enough cord.

Spinland
01-06-2017, 08:13 AM
I use a Logitech K750. It's wireless (uses the universal Logitech transmitter dongle) and solar powered with a rechargeable battery backup. Mine is the Mac specific model but I expect there's a PC version as well. It's great, no complaints.

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sadkkf
01-06-2017, 08:22 AM
I use a Logitech K750. It's wireless (uses the universal Logitech transmitter dongle) and solar powered with a rechargeable battery backup. Mine is the Mac specific model but I expect there's a PC version as well. It's great, no complaints.

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I've seen those and they look nice. No problems with the solar? I use a PC and I think there's a similar version.

Spinland
01-06-2017, 08:28 AM
Nope. The backup is a little button battery that's rechargeable and kicks in when the light is too dim to generate power. It recharges when the light is good. I've had it for a couple of months now and no problems thus far.

sadkkf
01-06-2017, 08:32 AM
Good to know.

I've also been looking at gaming keyboards, not that I'm a PC gamer, but I like the idea of extra programmable buttons.

Spinland
01-06-2017, 08:39 AM
:thumbsup:

CaptainMarlowe
01-06-2017, 08:49 AM
Logitech illuminated K740. It's wired and mechanical. It's a PC keyboard, but I use it on my Mac without hassle.

sadkkf
01-06-2017, 09:02 AM
Logitech illuminated K740. It's wired and mechanical. It's a PC keyboard, but I use it on my Mac without hassle.


Also very nice. I do a lot of work at night. Does the illumination help or get in the way?

CaptainMarlowe
01-06-2017, 09:05 AM
It definitely helps, and you have 4 different intensities.

art
01-06-2017, 09:20 AM
My favorite for a long time have been dell server keyboards L100/sk-8115. I'm not sure if they make them anymore. I bought a bunch of used ones on ebay just to have a few spares. I like them because they are compact, have plain design with no extra buttons (quite the opposite of your MK570 it seems), keys feel just right for me (I dislike flat keys) and they have a "standard" arrows/insert/home/delete area. I'm lost when keyboards rearrange it in any way. The keys are easy to remove and clean too. They keyboard is wired, which is also my preference. Bah, I'm so picky, but maybe I'm too old :)

sadkkf
01-06-2017, 09:33 AM
Bah, I'm so picky, but maybe I'm too old :)

Ha. I doubt that. I grew up with old Fujitsu mechanical keyboards and miss those. Such a great feel; I could really fly on those back in the day.

Right now I use three different keyboards...two at home and one at the day job. My day job has a Dell similar to yours and they are nice. Extra keys are not a requirement; I'm just wondering if I could make use of some extra programmable keys. I certainly wouldn't miss them if I don't get them.

Kryslin
01-06-2017, 09:45 AM
I'm using a Razor Black Widow Ultimate gaming keyboard. Mechanical keyboard, standard PC keyboard layout (Qwerty, arrow/home.end/in/del/pgup/pgdn, and numpad areas), and backlit. Has a nice feel, and pretty durable. 5 macro keys that don't get in your way. Also has a USB port and connections for headphones and a mic. I like it. Otherwise, I found the OEM for the IBM PS/2 mechancal keyboards, and use those. Industrial beasts these are, and simple, plain keyboards. But they last for 5 years under heavy use.

hrgiger
01-06-2017, 10:00 AM
Logitech K800. Illuminated keyboard, wireless, rechargeable with a usb to your pc. Love it.

sadkkf
01-06-2017, 10:06 AM
I'm using a Razor Black Widow Ultimate gaming keyboard. Mechanical keyboard, standard PC keyboard layout (Qwerty, arrow/home.end/in/del/pgup/pgdn, and numpad areas), and backlit. Has a nice feel, and pretty durable. 5 macro keys that don't get in your way. Also has a USB port and connections for headphones and a mic. I like it. Otherwise, I found the OEM for the IBM PS/2 mechancal keyboards, and use those. Industrial beasts these are, and simple, plain keyboards. But they last for 5 years under heavy use.

This is one I've been really looking at. Is the backlight always green? Can that be turned off or made another color? The reviews for this are pretty split at NewEgg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823114038)

Kryslin
01-06-2017, 10:38 AM
Mine's green. I don't know if it can be another color. I just like the feel of the keyboard, which is almost like having an old PS/2 keyboard, though the clicks from the key switches are much quieter, so it doesn't sound like an old line printer while you're typing.

Keep in mind that roughly 1/2 the reviews experienced some kind of failure. I'm not experiencing any of those problems, though admittedly, it's not a good keyboard for extended typing sessions. Still, having tried 2 other gaming keyboards (Steel Series, and a Saitek), this one has been pretty good. I thought the logictech keyboards were overpriced for what I was looking for.

jwiede
01-06-2017, 11:38 AM
What I use: Microsoft Natural Ergo 4000 (https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboards/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000/b2m-00012), a solid ergo "standard" these days -- durable to a point, feel's a bit soft for my taste (I prefer IBM "clicky"), decently complete ergo layout.

What I want: Keyboardio Model 01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKZgyulctU0). Keyboard porn, but durability is still a bit unknown, and for the price that's an issue.

sadkkf
01-06-2017, 01:16 PM
What I use: Microsoft Natural Ergo 4000 (https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboards/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000/b2m-00012), a solid ergo "standard" these days -- durable to a point, feel's a bit soft for my taste (I prefer IBM "clicky"), decently complete ergo layout.

What I want: Keyboardio Model 01 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKZgyulctU0). Keyboard porn, but durability is still a bit unknown, and for the price that's an issue.

That does look interesting. I would need to try before I buy at that cost.

jwiede
01-06-2017, 01:40 PM
That does look interesting. I would need to try before I buy at that cost.

That's the beauty of MS Ergo 4000's, they're cheap enough to easily keep a few spare around, but in terms of "feel" I find they're pretty meh. Razor makes some excellent keyboards with highly-clicky, excellent tactile "feel", and microswitch-based durability, but offer no ergo option (like many other long-time devs, I'm RSI-ridden from typing and need ergo keyboard to keep RSI in check). I've yet to find an _inexpensive_ ergo keyboard with durable microswitch-based mechanism and decent feel. Lacking that, the MS Ergo 4000 is "adequate".

The Keyboardio Model 01 is the first ergo option I've seen with clicky, microswitch-based design and a not-overly-exotic layout. I've tried Kinesis keyboards through work in past, and it IS "ergo with microswitches" in a sense. Unfortunately, I found the Kinesis' key layout too exotic making it overly difficult for others to use short-term as needed (and later ones were a bit fragile, IME). That experience also left me hesitant about high-cost keyboards' durability, which is the main reason why I don't already have a Model 01 on order.

sadkkf
01-06-2017, 02:22 PM
That's the beauty of MS Ergo 4000's, they're cheap enough to easily keep a few spare around, but in terms of "feel" I find they're pretty meh. Razor makes some excellent keyboards with highly-clicky, excellent tactile "feel", and microswitch-based durability, but offer no ergo option (like many other long-time devs, I'm RSI-ridden from typing and need ergo keyboard to keep RSI in check). I've yet to find an _inexpensive_ ergo keyboard with durable microswitch-based mechanism and decent feel. Lacking that, the MS Ergo 4000 is "adequate".

The Keyboardio Model 01 is the first ergo option I've seen with clicky, microswitch-based design and a not-overly-exotic layout. I've tried Kinesis keyboards through work in past, and it IS "ergo with microswitches" in a sense. Unfortunately, I found the Kinesis' key layout too exotic making it overly difficult for others to use short-term as needed (and later ones were a bit fragile, IME). That experience also left me hesitant about high-cost keyboards' durability, which is the main reason why I don't already have a Model 01 on order.

As much as I love the clicky feel, a good layout is more important for me. When Logitech moved the 3x2 grid of buttons between the keys and keypad to a 2x3 layout, it took a while to get used to. Good, solid keys with enough spacing is essential. The mouse doesn't even matter to me. I'm using a mouse molded to a right hand with my left and have gotten used to it.

jwiede
01-06-2017, 03:18 PM
As much as I love the clicky feel, a good layout is more important for me.

Same here, which is why I'm typing this on an MS Natural Ergo 4000.

Still, if you're not dead-set on ergo (I am), I suspect you'll be quite satisfied by one of the "clicky" (green switch) Razor Blackwidow Chroma variants.

pming
01-06-2017, 06:31 PM
Hiya!

Using: Logitec G19 (gaming board). Really like it, overall. The feel of the keys is nice, I can hear them but they don't make huge CLICKITYCLICK!!!! every time...I don't like keyboards that have no sound either. The G19 hit the nice goldilocks zone for me.

Would Love to Use Again: Fujitsu F109k(the "extended/full" one) (IIRC). I had those since my first computer back in...'94? (I had an awesome computer then...spent something like $5000 on it; brand new Pentium 100, *32MB RAM* [at $50/MB in those days, it was ridiculous], ATI Mach64 4MB graphics card, Soundblaster AWE64 Gold, 1.06GB HD and CDROM were all SCSI, etc...'high end' stuff for the day). In fact, I believe I still have that computer...somewhere...

Anyway, I still have two Fujitsu's...but they are PS/2, and that's with an adapter (otherwise they are those big cigarette-car-lighter sized plugs). I had a boss at my first "real artist/computer" job (web design, graphical artist, 3D modeler/animator), and he was jealous of my typing speed. I told him to drop his crappy whateveritwas keyboard and buy a Fujitsu F109k. He did. And told me his typing speed and accuracy increased by double (probably exaggeration, but I also noticed the increase). So if anyone ever says "the keyboard doesn't matter"...I call BS. A great keyboard for your particular hands makes a rather large difference. :)

(Mouse: Logitch MX1000 wireless laser // Tablet: Wacom Intuos3 & recently a Huion WH1409 <--- I don't recommend for any 3D...drivers are a bit glitchy, doesn't use the standard 'wacom' type set up I guess...I didn't have middlemouse on some programs, and a glitchy bug that would 'stutter' the first time you moved the pen to do something like a lasso selection; GREAT for 2D stuff though!).

magiclight
01-07-2017, 11:05 AM
I'm using a Razor Black Widow Ultimate gaming keyboard. Mechanical keyboard, standard PC keyboard layout (Qwerty, arrow/home.end/in/del/pgup/pgdn, and numpad areas), and backlit.

I have no idea how the keyboards are, I did buy a Razor mouse once and returned it the day after, the worst piece of s**t I have ever seen, the mouse required internet to install, and even worse, it would not work without internet, if the internet connection was lost it would hang for 30 seconds and then come back as a standard mouse (extra buttons did not work), when internet came back it would hang again for 30 seconds and after that work as normal, it did not store any settings on computer, all configuration was saved on Razors server's, and when I used the mouse it would send about 30kb of data to Razors servers every minute, no idea what they send...

spherical
01-07-2017, 09:51 PM
What I use: Microsoft Natural Ergo 4000 (https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/keyboards/natural-ergonomic-keyboard-4000/b2m-00012), a solid ergo "standard" these days

That's what I use. Got used to the ergo split years ago and have a lot of trouble when working with a straight KB. Whenever I have to work on my SO's workstation to fix [insert pesky malady here] (she uses an Azio Prismólighted keys in your choice of eight colorsóreplaced a Logitech lit KB that filled up with fur) or my Ultrabook, my fingers are totally lost.

erikals
01-07-2017, 10:44 PM
Logitech MK520 --- have this one
Logitech K800 --- might get this
unfortunately, neither of these above are super by any means, but flat classic.

i like the flat classic ones
yes >
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56ef4c4c62cd943a041fd777/t/57142038ab48dea645a7ed87/1460936761708/45-keyboard-closeup+pd.jpg

not the flat square
no >
http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/fede73ac-79ea-4a40-ae52-01311206a1fd/f6da358e-a5dc-48c4-94a4-3d1f643fa4a5.jpg

sadkkf
01-08-2017, 06:44 AM
Same here, which is why I'm typing this on an MS Natural Ergo 4000.

Still, if you're not dead-set on ergo (I am), I suspect you'll be quite satisfied by one of the "clicky" (green switch) Razor Blackwidow Chroma variants.

Sounds like I would. Still, I'd like to try before I buy. Maybe my local Best Buy has one I can test.

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Hiya!

Using: Logitec G19 (gaming board). Really like it, overall. The feel of the keys is nice, I can hear them but they don't make huge CLICKITYCLICK!!!! every time...I don't like keyboards that have no sound either. The G19 hit the nice goldilocks zone for me.

Would Love to Use Again: Fujitsu F109k(the "extended/full" one) (IIRC). I had those since my first computer back in...'94? (I had an awesome computer then...spent something like $5000 on it; brand new Pentium 100, *32MB RAM* [at $50/MB in those days, it was ridiculous], ATI Mach64 4MB graphics card, Soundblaster AWE64 Gold, 1.06GB HD and CDROM were all SCSI, etc...'high end' stuff for the day). In fact, I believe I still have that computer...somewhere...

Anyway, I still have two Fujitsu's...but they are PS/2, and that's with an adapter (otherwise they are those big cigarette-car-lighter sized plugs). I had a boss at my first "real artist/computer" job (web design, graphical artist, 3D modeler/animator), and he was jealous of my typing speed. I told him to drop his crappy whateveritwas keyboard and buy a Fujitsu F109k. He did. And told me his typing speed and accuracy increased by double (probably exaggeration, but I also noticed the increase). So if anyone ever says "the keyboard doesn't matter"...I call BS. A great keyboard for your particular hands makes a rather large difference. :)

(Mouse: Logitch MX1000 wireless laser // Tablet: Wacom Intuos3 & recently a Huion WH1409 <--- I don't recommend for any 3D...drivers are a bit glitchy, doesn't use the standard 'wacom' type set up I guess...I didn't have middlemouse on some programs, and a glitchy bug that would 'stutter' the first time you moved the pen to do something like a lasso selection; GREAT for 2D stuff though!).

Yes! Those old Fujitsu boards with the DIN connectors. They were beasts.

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Logitech MK520 --- have this one
Logitech K800 --- might get this
unfortunately, neither of these above are super by any means, but flat classic.

i like the flat classic ones
yes >
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56ef4c4c62cd943a041fd777/t/57142038ab48dea645a7ed87/1460936761708/45-keyboard-closeup+pd.jpg

not the flat square
no >
http://cdn.playbuzz.com/cdn/fede73ac-79ea-4a40-ae52-01311206a1fd/f6da358e-a5dc-48c4-94a4-3d1f643fa4a5.jpg

Same here. Not a fan of the flat square keys. My laptop has those and I still plug in a different KB.

kopperdrake
01-09-2017, 06:25 AM
Used to use the solar powered Logitech K750 wireless solar. After a while it started to bow, the centre section started rising away from the desk. The rubber feet also slip around, the adhesive wasn't stron enough. Then I killed it with coffee, not the first time I've bricked a keyboard in that graceful fashion. So now I force myself to stick with a basic Dell thing that probably came free with a system years ago, and my coffee refuses to spill over it. Fate I guess.

For the record, I never liked the K750 for typing with - the flat low profile keys I found far too slippy for decent typing, but as I hardly type anything too long it was never a major problem. I just went through a phase of trying to rid my life of wires. The Logitech wireless mouse I bought at the same time is still going strong, I can't remember the model as it's worn off, and the rubber is melting/wearing away where my thumb and fingers grasp it - rather odd. It's been a real trooper and must be around five years old now.

With all the keyboards and mice I've owned, I've realised that I never use the extra buttons they give me! The multimedia buttons on the keyboard, the pinky switches etc on the mouse.

On the geekery front, I always lusted after the Optimus Maximus concept keyboard, but the Popularis is just silly. Besides, I could never justify spending that kind of money on something that isn't splash proof :)

creacon
01-09-2017, 09:22 AM
I was fed up by the poor quality of most keyboards and started searching for mechanical (game) keyboards a while back. Ended up with a Corsair K70RGB at home and the regular (red) one at the office. I hate typing on any other keyboard now :-)

If these are too expensive for you, it seems that Azio has some nice cheaper alternatives.

creacon

sadkkf
01-09-2017, 12:28 PM
I could never justify spending that kind of money on something that isn't splash proof :)

Fortunately, I've never killed a KB from liquid. Mine get a little crumb-y since I usually work as I eat.

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I was fed up by the poor quality of most keyboards and started searching for mechanical (game) keyboards a while back. Ended up with a Corsair K70RGB at home and the regular (red) one at the office. I hate typing on any other keyboard now :-)

If these are too expensive for you, it seems that Azio has some nice cheaper alternatives.

creacon



Yeah, I've seen these on Newegg. Decent ratings. My local Best Buy has them so I'm going to give them a try. Any idea what the difference is in $55 vs $140 versions?

art
01-09-2017, 12:59 PM
Fortunately, I've never killed a KB from liquid. Mine get a little crumb-y since I usually work as I eat.

Years ago I decided to open and clean the keyboard while it was still plugged in and the computer was turned on. I always knew to be careful with components while the computer is running, but keyboard? What could go wrong? To this day I do not know how it happened but I fried the keyboard and one of the hard drives. Motherboard and everything else survived. Lesson learned.

CaptainMarlowe
01-09-2017, 01:40 PM
I sometimes think I could do with something like this, just to match my XVIIIth century navy desk. But then I'd have to mod my screen and computer... And the price is not quite affordable...
http://oldtimecomputer.com/shop/60495143

erikals
01-09-2017, 03:07 PM
yes, cool style   :)

http://www.ocompras.com/images/2007/02/teclado.jpg

sadkkf
01-10-2017, 11:42 AM
I sometimes think I could do with something like this, just to match my XVIIIth century navy desk. But then I'd have to mod my screen and computer... And the price is not quite affordable...
http://oldtimecomputer.com/shop/60495143

Yeah, I love that kind of design. Not just in keyboards, but almost everywhere. Round keys just don't seem very usable to me. I haven't tried them and could be wrong, but they still seem uncomfortable.

Yesterday I picked up a Corsair MX Red. $84. Haven't had time to plug it in yet, but soon!

tischbein3
01-10-2017, 12:01 PM
Using a Cherry G270 here, was a bit pricy, but quality wise its way better than the cheap ones. (I really hope they remove their low cost market: its really hurting the brand)
The only disadvantage I've seen on them is, that they didn't have grouped Function keys, wich makes it a bit hard to hit some numbers blindly at the beginning (like F9)

Like Art and sadkkf I also invested in an old Dell (not those flat new ones) here, since I saw them function well in a heavy duty environment ( with lots of dust and oil in the air) +
heavy usage by multible persons.
Can't say much about the new ones, but you might get the old ones in refurbished or new state for a very cheap price on ebay.
Also agree that they do have a good haptic feel.

gar26lw
01-11-2017, 01:18 AM
Apple. way better for your hands being flat. best for no RSI with a tablet and ALT nav 3d work.

erikals
01-11-2017, 01:27 AM
apple is flat square keys and not flat classic, used it some time back, quite alright, though doesn't beat flat classic

imo.

(flat classic example > https://assets.logitech.com/assets/54937/k740-gallery.png)

DavidDixon
01-11-2017, 02:27 AM
Logitech Wireless Wave MK550 is the best wireless keyboard never i used it before.

inkpen3d
01-11-2017, 04:09 AM
Logitech Performance Combo MX800 keyboard and mouse (http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/wireless-performance-combo-mx800). Both devices are wireless and charged via a USB cable which can plug into the PC or a standalone USB mains charger. The illuminated keyboard has a nice positive key action and the mouse is a dream to use.

As an aside: I would recommend getting some Panasonic 2500mAh Eneloop Pro rechargable AA batteries for your mouse. Yes, eneloop batteries are a bit expensive, but the crappy rechargable battery supplied with the mouse would only lasted about 2-3 days, even with moderate use. With an eneloop battery fitted it's more like 2-3 weeks! BTW, the keyboard isn't so battery hungry and can last at least 2-3 months before needing a recharge.

OlaHaldor
01-12-2017, 12:13 AM
Logitech K280.
https://assets.logitech.com/assets/49126/19/k280e.png


I'm looking for something illuminated, but I don't like the font or the buttons on the K740 :) And anything else is a 'gaming' keyboard that clacks louder than anything I've ever heard. Plus they are stupid expensive. :foreheads

erikals
01-12-2017, 12:33 AM
the buttons on the K740
wondering a bit, you missed to explain why you don't like the buttons on the K740

OlaHaldor
01-12-2017, 02:37 AM
The shape or the top surface. I've used macs for 10+ years, and the latest apple aluminum keyboards... How I miss them.. I'd get one if they were backlit. The Logitech I currently use is as close as I can get at the moment.

gerry_g
01-12-2017, 03:51 AM
https://9to5mac.com/2017/01/06/matias-backlit-wireless-aluminum-keyboard-silver-space-gray/

OlaHaldor
01-12-2017, 10:55 AM
I have a hunch the norwegian/scandinavian versions might be too small market for them. :p

gerry_g
01-12-2017, 12:54 PM
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I have the english configuration of this one on a NewMac Pro, backlit and solar powered (ambient light is sufficient does not have to be direct sunlight) comes with a dongle you inset in spare usb slot so not Mac native, has its own software panel. Forgets its plugged in on occasion and has to be power cycled but thats about it, Im still on Mavericks and too lazy to upgrade, would have to check site for current compatibility