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madno
03-31-2016, 11:23 PM
Hi,

as Blackmagic does not send out notification emails - a new Fusion 8 and Fusion Studio 8 update is available:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support

ianr
04-01-2016, 08:59 AM
Hi,

as Blackmagic does not send out notification emails - a new Fusion 8 and Fusion Studio 8 update is available:
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/support


Thanks 4 the heads Up

WayKool stuff!:thumbsup:

vonpietro
04-01-2016, 10:41 AM
Can't find whats new in 8, anyone know?

Waves of light
04-01-2016, 04:00 PM
Cool. As a new Fusion convert, thanks for the notification.

stoecklem
04-01-2016, 06:02 PM
I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure 8 just brings fusion to mac. There aren't actually any new features

tommyc
04-01-2016, 09:19 PM
One thing they added is the ability to select a GPU in the free version of Fusion. Beta 3 would only use the built-in Intel Iris GPU instead of the Nvidia on my laptop.

erikals
04-02-2016, 01:44 AM
i just had a look at Fusion a few days ago, the greenscreen operations are darn nice (!)

so, downloaded. will be testing soon i presume.


what's your favourite Fusion features?   http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif

erikals
04-02-2016, 02:32 AM
'bit info posted at CGchannel >
http://www.cgchannel.com/2016/04/blackmagic-design-releases-fusion-8-studio-in-beta


by the way, comparison chart, Fusion / Fusion Studio
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/fusion/compare

Fusion Free > limitations
- Ultra HD output
- Network Rendering
- Optical Flow Tools
- Stereoscopic 3D Toolset
- 3rd Party Plugin Support
- Bin server for sharing Bin assets over network
- Control Fusion scripts from local or remote machines


more info at he forums,
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewforum.php?f=22

Waves of light
04-02-2016, 05:54 AM
My favourite features... errm, DOF (depth blur), speed and the ability to output more than one output type at the time of render.

I recently used it to do this piece... all Fusion. Colour and Depth (fog pass) done in LW.

http://rsldesigns.co.uk/images/BeatsStudioProductBuildRSL.mp4

I highly recommend Kat's Lightwave to Fusion vids on Liberty 3d.

erikals
04-02-2016, 07:09 AM
I highly recommend Kat's Lightwave to Fusion vids on Liberty 3d.

yeah, i might get this one,
http://www.liberty3d.com/2015/09/fusion-for-lightwave-artists



is it correct that Fusion doesn't work with layered EXR ?
here's a video hacking it i believe via Python script... >


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFiB9TdynMc

Ztreem
04-02-2016, 07:59 AM
Fusion works very well with layered exr files and lightwave saves them perfectly fine. You just have to name the layers right in lightwave. I've made a preset for that myself to quickly set it up.

erikals
04-02-2016, 08:45 AM
Nice.   i see this Python script above still proves quite valuable though.

i asked if it was for sale, waiting for a reply.   http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif

Waves of light
04-02-2016, 08:58 AM
It does have support for multilayered .exr files. In Kat's first video, he utilises exrTrader (for saving out different layers, with different objects selected as separate .exr files). I believe that you can use this to rename the layers correctly too for correct usage in Fusion.

And yes, that was the tut I purchased. It's very, very informative.. Kat goes into a lot of detail and talks about usage in production pipelines.

I've just purchased the second training video too. 25% off using L3DST2016 on all vids I believe until tomorrow.

vonpietro
04-02-2016, 09:35 AM
MY FAVorite function in fusion would have to be the color corrector - awesome control.
as well as 3d, and of course that its nodal.

erikals
04-02-2016, 09:44 AM
MY FAVorite function in fusion would have to be the color corrector - awesome control...

aah, Nice! Match Color!   http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/king.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4pNmjnctrs

wellsichris
04-02-2016, 12:02 PM
Hey Erikals,

let me respond here, I posted the sync python script on the blackmagic forums,
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=39964

the other ones aren't for sale. I have debated about it, but just don't have the time to provide support. They are also very our pipeline specific. and it would take some work to make them more general/usable for others to benefit from. So currently they are just an in house thing. I don't consider myself a python Genius, so my objective with showing both this and the generation video was to say. hey guys, I know it's limited what's built in. but with some coding you can make it very powerful and customized to your workflow.

Fusion is a great app. I've been using it for years. I haven't been very please with the, let's take 2 years to just make a mac version, as I feel it's a waste of time, and has actually meant cutting windows specific features. But here's hoping now that that is done. progress will resume again on adding features.

Cheers,
Chris

erikals
04-02-2016, 01:20 PM
Awesome!   http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/king.gif

i think i'll be looking much more into Fusion and your script will be a Huge time-saver.

thank you!   http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif

yes, it seemed to me that the development of Fusion took a halt at a point, only i feeling i got though.
most probably will be running Fusion along-side HitFilm, where HitFilm will be used for more basic stuff (like cutting)

Chris S. (Fez)
04-02-2016, 02:03 PM
Kind of tied to AE for now but was thinking of testing Natron 2.0. Can anyone please tell me the precise maximum pixel dimensions for the free Fusion 8? Did Blackmagic lower it again?

erikals
04-02-2016, 04:06 PM
3840x2160

Netvudu
04-02-2016, 05:52 PM
Fusionīs Color Correction tool is AWESOME. To get the same thing in Nuke you need at least three or four different nodes.
Said in a different way, the only thing you might miss from Nuke is 3D tracking, Kronos/retiming/Motion Blur tools (although maybe commercial version optical flow tools might do precisely that), and the 3D environment geometry modeller and point cloud tools.
Some of the tools in Fusion are actually much better than Nukeīs counterparts.

tburbage
04-02-2016, 09:28 PM
It does have support for multilayered .exr files. In Kat's first video, he utilises exrTrader (for saving out different layers, with different objects selected as separate .exr files). I believe that you can use this to rename the layers correctly too for correct usage in Fusion.

And yes, that was the tut I purchased. It's very, very informative.. Kat goes into a lot of detail and talks about usage in production pipelines.

I've just purchased the second training video too. 25% off using L3DST2016 on all vids I believe until tomorrow.

Just curious, is any footage or other assets provided with that training? Its kind of hard to learn compositing skills without that, even if it's e.g. only 1/2 res...

vncnt
04-02-2016, 11:01 PM
Generating a Fusion comp file with a script is not too dificult.
Its all readable text.

erikals
04-03-2016, 01:57 AM
starting to like Fusion based on these comments   http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif


...thing you miss from Nuke is 3D tracking...
just got SynthEyes http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/047.gif Hurray! can't wait to use it! http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif

anything like OLM smoother in Fusion ?

http://olm.co.jp/rd/wp-content/uploads/OLMSmootherThumbnail.png

TheLexx
04-03-2016, 07:05 AM
just got SynthEyes Could you clear up one mystery please about the SynthEyes licencing model (https://www.ssontech.com/licseat.html), which is still not clear to me from their site or after having emailed them (they just linked me back to the site). Is it possible to move SynthEyes from personal machine to personal machine in the same painless way as Lightwave, or is there some sort of online process involved ? Also, they put great emphasis on renewing after one year - is that just for technical support or does the licence expire after one year ?

Re Fusion, I see thatLiberty3D have recently added a new tutorial (http://www.liberty3d.com/2016/03/fusion-for-lightwave-artistsii/) on March 27th which looks quite interesting.

ianr
04-03-2016, 07:11 AM
Fav's: It hooks into Avid,
Color correction hooks into Da Vinci
& most of its 2.5 D features

Yea tburbage
( see the Film 'Anoymous' 2011 Emmerich Vid on Fusion7 adverts)

& this Zombie City Attack which is 5hrs slog into 3 mins work by Alf.w https://vimeo.com/124690527

now that will get the juices flowing, he has also provided on links a dozen support vids.WayKool

Yea Lexx that Kat's part 2 for LightWave PRO duction, can't keep a good man down. Love Kelly's work...

http://www.liberty3d.com/2016/03/fusion-for-lightwave-artistsii/

erikals
04-03-2016, 07:41 AM
TheLexx, afaik the SynthEyes install runs infinite

the upgrade however seems "technical"
https://www.ssontech.com/how_to_upgrade.html
frankly i'm not sure about it all, too bad they don't have a forum
sorry, but i agree the license / update part is confusing

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just looked at wire removal in Fusion by the way, looks pretty good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDits7AW8b4

for advanced wire removal you might need SynthEyes (depending)

omichon
04-03-2016, 12:41 PM
Could you clear up one mystery please about the SynthEyes licencing model (https://www.ssontech.com/licseat.html), which is still not clear to me from their site or after having emailed them (they just linked me back to the site). Is it possible to move SynthEyes from personal machine to personal machine in the same painless way as Lightwave, or is there some sort of online process involved ? Also, they put great emphasis on renewing after one year - is that just for technical support or does the licence expire after one year ?
Syntheyes license gives you access to updates and support for one year (starting from the day you purchased it). Then, if you don't renew your license, you don't have access to updates and support anymore but your license stays active (with the last version available to you during your registered period).

erikals
04-03-2016, 02:07 PM
Thank you, i was a bit unsure of that as well.

ps, is there really no open SynthEyes forum?

TheLexx
04-03-2016, 04:36 PM
Thanks omichon and erikals. Also, it does seem to me that swapping machines for Syntheyes is user serviceable offline (unlike, say, Marvellous Designer or ZBrush which require an online process to change machines). Not a totally essential point, but still nice to have that single-user freedom.

Whelkn
04-03-2016, 06:44 PM
Fusion Studio has O-flow tools.

m.d.
04-03-2016, 10:56 PM
Fusionīs Color Correction tool is AWESOME. To get the same thing in Nuke you need at least three or four different nodes.
Said in a different way, the only thing you might miss from Nuke is 3D tracking, Kronos/retiming/Motion Blur tools (although maybe commercial version optical flow tools might do precisely that), and the 3D environment geometry modeller and point cloud tools.
Some of the tools in Fusion are actually much better than Nukeīs counterparts.

The commercial version does indeed handle kronos like oflow retiming and blur.

Fusion CC tool is awesome, but is lacking in some linear workspace consistency listed here
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29507

Waves of light
04-04-2016, 12:31 AM
Just curious, is any footage or other assets provided with that training? Its kind of hard to learn compositing skills without that, even if it's e.g. only 1/2 res...

Hi, I'm afraid there aren't any clips for that set of vids. It's something I've mentioned to them before and in the newly released LW to Fusion part II sets they have produced some snippets.

When I'm in the office, I will get you the list of video names, so that you can see what they are about... hopefully that will make your choice easier.

EDIT:

Here's the list of contents (below) also, they have extended the 25% off offer until April 5th:

Introduction - talks about Fusion 8 beta and LW pipeline and talks about what is in the rest of the vids, inc. exrTrader for render buffers.
Preferences overview part one and two
Flow and interface basics including loaders and savers
Animation tools, spline and timeline basics
Demo - resolution independence
LW Comp buffer vs exrTrader composite buffer
Back to beauty is impossible - complimenting vs reconstruction
How to use Object ID as masks
Motion vector demo Part One and Two
Fusion 8 - Public Beta discussion
Photoreal example - parts 1 to 4
Dealing with depth in Fusion
A10 tankbuster - Photoreal example - Parts 1 to 8
Notes about savers
Kat's closing statements

omichon
04-04-2016, 12:56 AM
Thank you, i was a bit unsure of that as well.

ps, is there really no open SynthEyes forum?

You are welcome.
Regarding open forum, not I am aware of.


@TheLexx
Regarding license, I can't tell you for sure how to move it from a workstation to another since I never had to do that.
It depends on the license type I guess. You could find detailed info on ssontech website.

erikals
04-04-2016, 02:53 AM
http://www.vimeo.com/13146366
Awesome Reel!  http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/king.gif
Fusion ?

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quick question for some of you, how are the Stereo Cam tools in Fusion? any good ?

Waves of light
04-04-2016, 03:36 AM
quick question for some of you, how are the Stereo Cam tools in Fusion? any good ?

I don't I'm afraid. Not used that feature yet.

Reco
04-04-2016, 03:46 AM
I'm half into Kat's Fusion for LightWave Artists. Will just mention another good training regarding 3D passes. Not Lightwave specific though.
https://vimeo.com/115206548

Reco

Waves of light
04-04-2016, 03:54 AM
I'm half into Kat's Fusion for LightWave Artists. Will just mention another good training regarding 3D passes. Not Lightwave specific though.
https://vimeo.com/115206548

Reco

Thanks.

erikals
04-04-2016, 03:57 AM
yeah, i'll go for the 1st video, looks good
http://www.liberty3d.com/2015/09/fusion-for-lightwave-artists

then see what the 2nd video can bring to the table


wonder, is the 2nd video aimed more at the full version, Fusion Studio ?

Waves of light
04-04-2016, 03:59 AM
yeah, i'll go for the 1st video, looks good
http://www.liberty3d.com/2015/09/fusion-for-lightwave-artists

then see what the 2nd video can bring to the table


wonder, is the 2nd video aimed more at the full version, Fusion Studio ?

I've purchased both. I haven't started with the second set yet... but it's massive. He includes all the content for the shot, so that you can use them as you progress through the vids.

Reco
04-04-2016, 04:31 AM
yeah, i'll go for the 1st video, looks good
http://www.liberty3d.com/2015/09/fusion-for-lightwave-artists

then see what the 2nd video can bring to the table


wonder, is the 2nd video aimed more at the full version, Fusion Studio ?


The free and full version of Fusion are almost identical except for a few things. Ultra HD is the highest resolution in the free version. As well as no network rendering, and no Avid connect pluggin, wich is only useful if you have an Avid Media Composer NLE system.

You can compare the two versions in the link below.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/fusion/compare

Reco

erikals
04-04-2016, 10:51 AM
yes, two additional things lacks >

- Optical Flow Tools
- Stereoscopic 3D Toolset

which are good tools in the Stereo Cam world
not that much into Stereo Cam yet though

also, sometimes (just sometimes) it is better to do Stereo in LW, using imported video clips
(this could require SynthEyes)

(Optical Flow can also do slowmotion alla Twixtor, but i got Howler for that)

...interesting how Optical Flow could be used for z depth generation

erikals
04-04-2016, 05:19 PM
i've only seen like 5% of Kat's first video and already recommend it
http://www.liberty3d.com/2015/09/fusion-for-lightwave-artists

ianr
04-09-2016, 09:05 AM
The commercial version does indeed handle kronos like oflow retiming and blur.

Fusion CC tool is awesome, but is lacking in some linear workspace consistency listed here
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=29507

They Fixed It ..... See 4th post from the end of that thread (gamma_aware_color_wheels.PNG)

erikals
04-09-2016, 09:30 AM
only thing that bothers me a bit is that i'll have to learn both Fusion and DaVinci Resolve,
instead of just going for HitFilm

and who knows how long Fusion / DaVinci will remain free... after all, the paid versions cost $2000 combined
compared to $350 HitFilm

hmm... any thoughts ?


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though looks like i'm going the Fusion / DaVinci route

Reco
04-09-2016, 09:59 AM
I think the free versions will be free for a long period.
Black Magic Design have a very customer friendly policy. I purchased Fusion years ago through a Lightwave upgrade deal, and signed up for an annual subscription to Eyeon. When Fusion became a part of Black Magic Design, they sent me a box with the software on a memory card and a usb dongle. After a year I contacted Black Magic Design regarding renewal of my Fusion subscription. I was then informed that when you buy the full version, the upgrade is free. I hope this policy will continue.

Reco

lightscape
04-09-2016, 10:11 AM
only thing that bothers me a bit is that i'll have to learn both Fusion and DaVinci Resolve,
instead of just going for HitFilm

and who knows how long Fusion / DaVinci will remain free... after all, the paid versions cost $2000 combined
compared to $350 HitFilm

hmm... any thoughts ?


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though looks like i'm going the Fusion / DaVinci route

There's no learning curve with HF. But also no decent workflow for color management and using linearworkflow. But its perfect for quick effects and video edits.
Use both since one is free and one doesn't need much effort to use.

erikals
04-09-2016, 10:16 AM
sounds Awesome http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif

yeah, i'm just unsure at times, just like with Houdini Indie, being so low priced.
Houdini team assured me though that they saw it very unlikely to discontinue the Houdini Indie deal.


nice thing about DaVinci Resolve by the way is that it supports plugins,
so purchasing Neat Video Denoiser + RSMB is tempting...

erikals
04-18-2016, 11:12 PM
if you GreenScreen in Fusion i recommend
Fusion VFX - Shooting and Compositing Green Screen (Jeremy Hughes)

bit old, but good. you can get it at Liberty3D
http://www.liberty3d.com/store/training/jeremys-videos