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RudySchneider
12-24-2015, 11:14 AM
131592

This warning from Norton started occurring two days ago whenever I try to navigate to the Newtek forums. The Norton details message claims there are two threats somewhere on the site, one of which is a Trojan. I can click on "Continue to site anyway" with no apparent consequences, but I wonder if there's something Newtek should be concerned about.

I got a similar message when I clicked on one of the threads someone posted, so I wonder if the threat has propagated?

Sensei
12-24-2015, 11:28 AM
What is showed after clicking "detailed report" ?

What if you open website in IE?
And in Firefox?
Either one complain?

RudySchneider
12-24-2015, 12:05 PM
Here's what Norton's details show:

131594

bazsa73
12-24-2015, 12:27 PM
Norton is the virus itself.

Markc
12-24-2015, 01:12 PM
Both of those links point to Newtek product pages, not the forums!

DrStrik9
12-24-2015, 01:13 PM
I don't use any virus protection, such as Norton, McAffee, AVG, etc. -- I've "heard" that Macs can also receive viruses, but in many years, I've never had one. I understand that they do exist in the Windows world. But it seems to me that the whole "protection" industry is based on a single marketing strategy: FEAR. If they can get you to fear viruses, they can sell you stuff that slows your computer down, costs even more money for regular "let's scare 'em with THIS!" upgrades, and if you buy into all this, it basically lengthens your list of things to be afraid of.

My 2-cents on the subject.

However, having said that, if you DO get a nasty piece of errant code on your computer, it is good to have ways of getting rid of it. But fearing it to begin with? Not really productive, IMO.

shrox
12-24-2015, 02:01 PM
I don't use any virus protection, such as Norton, McAffee, AVG, etc. -- I've "heard" that Macs can also receive viruses, but in many years, I've never had one. I understand that they do exist in the Windows world. But it seems to me that the whole "protection" industry is based on a single marketing strategy: FEAR. If they can get you to fear viruses, they can sell you stuff that slows your computer down, costs even more money for regular "let's scare 'em with THIS!" upgrades, and if you buy into all this, it basically lengthens your list of things to be afraid of.

My 2-cents on the subject.

However, having said that, if you DO get a nasty piece of errant code on your computer, it is good to have ways of getting rid of it. But fearing it to begin with? Not really productive, IMO.

There are very good free anti virus programs too, like Avast.

Paul_Boland
12-24-2015, 02:10 PM
I use to be a life long Nortons user until one year, a few years ago, it turned on me! As a software developer, Nortons suddenly started deleting all MY software saying it was viruses, Trojan Horses!! I contacted Symantec about it, sent files to them, everything they asked for, and it never got fixed!! I walked away from Nortons and now use ESET NOD32 Antivirus which has never caused me any bother. I made a video about it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HCwmNoT-4g

bazsa73
12-24-2015, 02:46 PM
I use avast for years now. Norton eats system resources alive. It is a very harmful antivirus software.

shrox
12-24-2015, 03:56 PM
Avast!

spherical
12-24-2015, 04:12 PM
I don't use any virus protection, such as Norton, McAffee, AVG, etc. -- I've "heard" that Macs can also receive viruses, but in many years, I've never had one.

Anything running code can be compromised. Some of THE worst virii that I have had to eradicate for clients were on Macs.

12-24-2015, 04:14 PM
Still using norton... why?
Paul, same thing happened to me that I have abandoned such things.
Computers are faster and nothing gone to hell yet.

Depending on your service provider, they may be providing you enough protection downstream that u have little to be worried about.
Good luck.

spherical
12-24-2015, 04:15 PM
I walked away from Nortons and now use ESET NOD32 Antivirus which has never caused me any bother.

Norton stuff was great when Peter ran the company. Once Symantec gets their hands on anything it goes in the toilet pretty quick. Either they kill the product, as it was better than what they write, or they just screw it up. We use ESET Smart Security, the sister of NOD32.

cagey5
12-24-2015, 05:30 PM
Can I put in a vote for Linux. 95% of my online activity is using Linux. No Virus programs and no problems.

Sensei
12-24-2015, 05:34 PM
On AmigaOS you don't have virus also.. Why? Because nobody use it.. Same with Linux..
Nobody use = nobody write viruses..

That does not mean OS is great safe OS. It means nobody bothers making virus for system nobody use.

cagey5
12-24-2015, 05:43 PM
I think you're wrong. ;)

djwaterman
12-24-2015, 06:33 PM
I stopped using virus protection years ago, and that's when I stopped having any troubles with virus's, plus these days the built in defender in Widows seems to do the job.

spherical
12-24-2015, 09:15 PM
I stopped using virus protection years ago, and that's when I stopped having any troubles with virus's, plus these days the built in defender in Widows seems to do the job.

So you didn't "stop using virus protection". :)

spherical
12-24-2015, 09:34 PM
I think you're wrong.

Others would disagree. :) Any, and I mean ANY, system can be compromised. Thinking that you are immune because you run a particular OS is just sticking your head in the sand. While the primary reason that non-Windows machines are relatively left alone may or may not be driven by market share, the whole mindset of a cracker is to make a name for themselves. The wider-spread the attack, the bigger bragging rights they glean. Further, the greatest impetus to creating malware and distributing it as widely as possible is monetary gain. Therefore, the larger target is the most used OS. The most used OS also carries along with it the largest number of clueless, gullible users. An even bigger draw. The total number of clueless is significantly larger in a higher market share OS. The more bozos you can gain access to; the greater your chances of wide-spread distribution. Not to say that any significantly larger percentage of UN*X and Mac users are completely cluefull.

Disclaimer: I run systems using ALL of the above, and more, so am an an OS Agnostic.

prometheus
12-25-2015, 06:59 AM
I use free avast...Norton I once got pre-installed on a computer purchase..it was a system eater slowning down things too much, and was extremly hard to shut down and uninstall...would almos chime in to call it a virus itself, if I someone using Norton, I am urging them to get rid of it...it wasnīt playing nice with lightwave either...at that time.

Avast isnīt warning anything on this forum.

Farhad_azer
12-25-2015, 09:58 AM
I use free avast too which seems to be great but I am constantly told by other commercial antivirus users like Kaspersky that it is not reliable and you should pay money to buy other softs (the factor of Fear that our friend just mentioned). thanks god I saw here some positive posts about AntiViruses being a little exaggerated though I am not sure yet.

I also have not had any virus problem concerning threads.

Dexter2999
12-25-2015, 10:43 AM
The most used OS also carries along with it the largest number of clueless, gullible users.

This one comment could be debatable only in that Apple designs and markets their computers more like appliances than computers. They want the willfully ignorant/casual computing user base. (Not saying all Mac users fall in this category.) Thus their whole mantra of "you turn it on and it just works"

I mean they dont even trust their users to change batteries.

Aside from that one comment, everything you said is fairly unassailable.

Oh. And FWIW, best antivirus is to not have machine you use to make money connected to the internet. Business machines shouldn't be the ones used for casual browsing. Go get a cheap Chromebook for that and save youself some greif.

prometheus
12-25-2015, 10:56 AM
I use free avast too which seems to be great but I am constantly told by other commercial antivirus users like Kaspersky that it is not reliable and you should pay money to buy other softs (the factor of Fear that our friend just mentioned). thanks god I saw here some positive posts about AntiViruses being a little exaggerated though I am not sure yet.

I also have not had any virus problem concerning threads.


commercial antivirus softwares companies wouldnīt earn I dime if they donīt say that, of course they canīt say avast is reliable..they would be out of business if they did, so I wouldnīt put too much value in to statements from them.
Besides..avast is commercial to some degree..meaning that if you pay a little for it, you get extended protection.

Depends on how you use internet..doing transactions..having extremly sensitive and important data etc.



if you really want to be safe..use the computer as much as possible unconnected from the internet, hard to do perhaps..use another computer to "uggly surf" the net.

otherwise..dont surf around in all kinds of places or links etc..keep that restricted, update your software properly etc, never click untrusted links in mail etc.

Antivirus software..even avast will sometimes warn about potential threats..like tarons verve painter..which I am most sure isnīt a virus, I had to make an exception to be able to download and also even run that software.

Markc
12-26-2015, 04:33 AM
All this aside, has anyone from Newtek addressed whatever issue exists, as it appeared the issue was in the iVGA product pages?

12-26-2015, 04:57 AM
No and I think NewTek would agree: the problem is in Norton.

Skonk
12-26-2015, 05:04 AM
I don't use any virus protection, such as Norton, McAffee, AVG, etc. -- I've "heard" that Macs can also receive viruses, but in many years, I've never had one. I understand that they do exist in the Windows world. But it seems to me that the whole "protection" industry is based on a single marketing strategy: FEAR. If they can get you to fear viruses, they can sell you stuff that slows your computer down, costs even more money for regular "let's scare 'em with THIS!" upgrades, and if you buy into all this, it basically lengthens your list of things to be afraid of.

My 2-cents on the subject.

However, having said that, if you DO get a nasty piece of errant code on your computer, it is good to have ways of getting rid of it. But fearing it to begin with? Not really productive, IMO.

You don't run an antivirus so how do you know you don't have a virus? for all you know, your machine could have been taken over and running as part of a botnet for years :)

Globally, Windows based PC's has like 80-90% of the market share so it stands to reason that it has a similar share of the viruses; but certainly doesn't make Mac's immune. I've spent plenty of time at work trying to fix issue with peoples Macs caused by them assuming since it's a Mac, it's safe from malware.

I'm a mac user too btw (about 50/50 mac and pc, both home and in my job).

Markc
12-26-2015, 05:21 AM
No and I think NewTek would agree: the problem is in Norton.

Fair enough :thumbsup:

rustythe1
12-26-2015, 08:19 AM
I too stopped getting viruses (until the next mentioned part) when I went back to windows own, (when it was released with vista) in fact "live" was listed for quite some time as the no1 free virus protection, now its just built in windows 10, however shortly after upgrading to windows 10 I installed chrome, and guess what, I got a virus almost instantly on my first page, windows caught it and cleaned it, I removed chrome and have not had one since (I only point this out as I see you are using chrome)

shrox
12-26-2015, 10:52 AM
You don't run an antivirus so how do you know you don't have a virus? for all you know, your machine could have been taken over and running as part of a botnet for years :)...

Yep. Now the terrorists have won.

DrStrik9
12-26-2015, 11:30 AM
Avast!

I didn't know about Avast. Thanks for the heads up. Installed.

DrStrik9
12-26-2015, 11:32 AM
You don't run an antivirus so how do you know you don't have a virus? for all you know, your machine could have been taken over and running as part of a botnet for years :)

Mostly because I don't go to porno or torrent sites. :D

Avast found nothing. Just lucky I guess.

pinkmouse
12-27-2015, 03:58 AM
Mostly because I don't go to porno or torrent sites. :D


Doesn't matter. Black hats now frequently use ad serving networks to distribute malware, so you can pick up an infection from any site that has 3rd party ads. Turn off Java, Flash and Silverlight, and get a plugin for your browser that tells you if you're being redirected. And I run OSX too. ;)

shrox
12-27-2015, 10:55 AM
Mostly because I don't go to porno or torrent sites. :D

Avast found nothing. Just lucky I guess.

I was given a file by a client that "didn't get viruses". The USB stick had a virus!