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hrgiger
01-15-2015, 12:57 PM
I'm in the market for a Drawing or Painting application. I currently have Mischief which is nice but fairly limited in its current verison. I also have Photoshop which I have used for drawing/painting but I would prefer a tool that was dedicated to that task. Can anyone recommend a good app? I briefly looked at Autodesks Sketchbook pro which has a nice flip book feature and also Krita but I haven't looked at them extensively. The lower the cost the better.

Lito
01-15-2015, 02:14 PM
During the holidays I saw this one. I don't know what it's like I never got around to really looking at it but IIRC it reminds me of deluxe paint on the amiga.
http://squirreldome.com/

madno
01-15-2015, 02:37 PM
I am no drawing artist, but

Krita team is working on version 2.9 (free)
https://krita.org/item/krita-2-9-beta-2-is-out/

Or there is the commercial:
http://my.smithmicro.com/manga-studio-ex-5-compare.html
(same as http://www.clipstudio.net/en just distributed by SmithMicro as Manga Studio)
Comes in different feature packs at different pricings.

hazmat777
01-15-2015, 03:02 PM
During the holidays I saw this one. I don't know what it's like I never got around to really looking at it but IIRC it reminds me of deluxe paint on the amiga.
http://squirreldome.com/

I don't have the Howler (animation) version, but I like the painting/drawing tools a lot. You can get up to speed really quickly and it's fun to use.

Ztreem
01-15-2015, 03:18 PM
I like ArtRage, Krita, MyPaint and sketchbook pro. Krita and MyPaint are free and really nice. I would go for Krita and Photoshop as you have it already.

VonBon
01-15-2015, 04:07 PM
Sketchbook is nice, I have it myself but from what I understand Corel Painter
is the best for "Painting". http://www.painterartist.com/us/product/paint-program/?hptrack=mmptr

I would start with Sketchbook since it is fairly cheap.

Greenlaw
01-15-2015, 04:14 PM
For painting/illustration, I like Painter (http://www.painterartist.com/us/product/paint-program/?trkid=USsemKWS&gclid=Cj0KEQiA592lBRCXy8yl4bjK17wBEiQAg1Az_XjizN4_ zAV-2xAQMLcKuJm2MhfMBfzo9Nukqcg4WTQaApHm8P8HAQ). For natural media simulations and some cool brush tricks, it's probably the best out there. The number of tools and features can be a bit overwhelming though. When I'm working on a project, I create a custom palette and force myself to use a limited set of tools selected for the project. Otherwise, I would wind up with a big mess. :p

I upgraded to Painter 2015 a few months ago but I haven't gotten around to using this version yet.

Lately I've been doing a lot of painting on the iPad using Procreate and the original Wacom Intuous Creative Stylus. This combo works really well. Procreate (http://procreate.si/)is primarily gesture based so there is almost no clutter on the screen. The Wacom Intuous Creative Stylus (original model) is pretty nice too. I own both the older model ICS and the newer ICS 2. Between the two, I still prefer the older stylus; it has a squishy tip which feels more brush-like than the hard tip of the newer Creative Stylus 2. I think the original is more responsive too--the newer one is a bit laggy and it doesn't work in as nearly as many apps as the original. Both models use bluetooth for 2048 levels of pressure. I wouldn't make this my primary paint system but it's a good mobile one.

The newer stylus is also problematic with some newer iPads. (I think the newer iPads have been problematic for many pressure sensitive stylii.)

For everything else, I use Photoshop CC 2014,

G.

gerry_g
01-15-2015, 05:03 PM
Paper 53 for the iPad with its own proprietary pen is nice, has pressure sensitivity and when you hold the pen sideways in your hand you can blur you strokes with the tip of you finger, also the Intuos Bamboo stylus will work with it and I do think a pen is a must whether on a tablet or a monitor, think I proffer a monitor for size most of the time so it's either Painter or Photoshop, the latter I find sluggish for brush handling yet the former is only viable if you use it often as it is so complex that occasional dipping will see you ending up spending more time finding things and tweaking settings than being productive. When I am modelling in LW and I get stuck for concept I hop into Autodesks Sketchbook Pro as it's light and stripped down to a minimum and quick and easy to block things out in plus I can move an initial sketch into either of the other two apps as they all respect the others layer systems

djwaterman
01-15-2015, 06:37 PM
Don't discount Photoshop either, I can't recommend the brush sets of Kyle T Webster enough, they've totally transformed Photoshop for me. The sets are extremely well priced and just wonderful to work with.

https://gumroad.com/kyletwebster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ERYI6i3Qg

I've been trying out Krita and Sketchbook Pro, and I love those also, but the Kyle brush sets keep bringing me back to Photoshop.

There's also a Painting workspace mode for Photoshop that brings all the paint tools to the fore as demonstrated in this video.

http://vimeo.com/36746889

hrgiger
01-15-2015, 08:30 PM
Thanks for the suggestions, I have looked at Painter before but its currently more then I can pay for a painting app. I should mention I use PC and wouldn't be using a tablet like an ipad. I have a large Wacom Intuos 4 that I currently use for painting and for Zbrush.

prometheus
01-16-2015, 12:20 AM
Thanks for the suggestions, I have looked at Painter before but its currently more then I can pay for a painting app. I should mention I use PC and wouldn't be using a tablet like an ipad. I have a large Wacom Intuos 4 that I currently use for painting and for Zbrush.

I would probably recomend painter, but since that was out of the question..obviously checking what else has been suggested.
I donīt see verve mentioned here, it is free..created by the Totally insane and talented Taron, Im sure he understand me correctly when I say insane :) old time master character modeler/artist..
except for that you can paint 2d fluids, it allows for some painter stylized artwork, there was some issues when downloading his program where antivirus often complained about it as a virus...but it isnīt, not sure if that issue still persists?

hereīs a sample showcasing actually fluid distorting of an image that I set up and rendered in lightwave..though you can of course paint with it too...go to tarons site and check it out and the gallery etc..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrCii5iHp7o


tarons verve page, you will find forums/galleries/downloads there....
http://www.taron.de/forum/

Also check this....
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tron+verve+painter

Ernest
01-16-2015, 03:43 AM
ArtRage is sold on Steam, so it is constantly on sale.

tonymax99
01-16-2015, 01:00 PM
try artrage, really good natural feel brushes and more..

http://www.artrage.com/



Don't discount Photoshop either, I can't recommend the brush sets of Kyle T Webster enough, they've totally transformed Photoshop for me. The sets are extremely well priced and just wonderful to work with.

https://gumroad.com/kyletwebster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ERYI6i3Qg

I've been trying out Krita and Sketchbook Pro, and I love those also, but the Kyle brush sets keep bringing me back to Photoshop.

There's also a Painting workspace mode for Photoshop that brings all the paint tools to the fore as demonstrated in this video.

http://vimeo.com/36746889

jasonwestmas
01-16-2015, 01:36 PM
I think I would recommend verve the most especially if you are into very buttery smooth oil painting and water color looks. It's not really intended for highly detailed precision work imo. You can get there but it takes longer, much like real oil painting.

djwaterman
01-16-2015, 03:08 PM
I downloaded MyPaint last night and had a quick play with it, it's free as Ztreem mentioned. The brushes are fully customizable, there seems to be quite some depth to the customization controls. It's basically about the brushes and simple layers, very lightweight app. I like it.

126577

ArtRage looks interesting too, it's only $50. I'm going to download the demo version and see what it's like.

Greenlaw
01-16-2015, 03:55 PM
I used to use Art Rage. It's a pretty good 'budget' version of Painter, meaning it has some nice natural media tools and a few fun unnatural ones too. The straight edges and curves are kinda fun--they look and work like the real thing. The one big issue I ever had with Art Rage is that it gets a bit laggy at high resolutions.

I had some problems with the latest release on my aging Tablet PC so I stopped using it. It used to work fine for me but I think the recent version didn't support my stylus properly or something. If you have a newer computer, it's probably fine though.

G.

djwaterman
01-17-2015, 11:06 PM
I was trying out the demo version of ArtRage today, I was wondering if there is a way to turn off the lighting (AR simulates the oil paint look with reflected lighting showing up on brush strokes)? I thought it might be quicker asking here rather than signing up with the ArtRage forum.

Greenlaw
01-18-2015, 01:05 AM
Turn off Canvas Lighting in the Canvas Settings panel (under View). This will make the strokes appear 'flattened'.

With Lighting being an optional 'canvas' property, you can do this any time during painting.

G.

Greenlaw
01-18-2015, 01:22 AM
I can see the next question being 'how do I change the direction of the light?' Unfortunately, you can't because the light is apparently fixed as part of the optimization for the render engine. The dev says they're looking into making the direction user adjustable though.

It's one of the reasons why I might use Artrage for quick, lower res comps, where I don't want to fuss over details, but still prefer Painter for bigger, more 'finished' projects. Artrage is a good program, a great one even for its price, but you may have to deal with some limitations.

G.

djwaterman
01-18-2015, 05:52 AM
It's a cute gimmick to be sure, making it feel more paint-like when working, but I'm glad you can turn it off for the final look. I was quite impressed by it overall, I'll have to install it on the Surface Pro and see how it works on that. There's a lot of options out there for digital painting, more than I knew.

Surrealist.
01-18-2015, 06:28 AM
There is also Sai:

http://www.systemax.jp/en/sai/

I think it is in Japanese but there is an English version:

http://www.detstwo.com/sai/

Depending on the conversion rate it is between 40-50 bucks.

A very talented artist at my studio was using it and doing great stuff.

Actually you can see some of it on the first parts of my studio reel.

prometheus
01-18-2015, 07:04 AM
For those of you working with Tarons free verve fluid painter..hereīs a shorcut list...

http://www.taron.de/forum/download/file.php?id=793

ctrl-shift flattens the colors, shift smudges the colors, you can control bump/thickness of color, and lighting etc with the last small buttons...I am not that fond of that style of UI buttons, I would like to see taron change that to represent image icons
of true brushes preferably, and change those round button dials to simple text and sliders instead.

Otherwise I love the fluid way of painting, not sure there are any other tool out there that can paint as real live water color or acrylic media with fluidity?

I had issues again when trying to run the program, avast keeps removing it to quarantine, even though I once made an exclusion for the virus scanning on it, I had to do it once again and it worked.

cove
01-18-2015, 07:08 AM
Hi.
I can strongly recommend PD Howler 9.5, powered by Project Dogwaffle.

http://www.thebest3d.com/howler/9/what-is-new-in-the-Howler-9.5_Purely_Ballistic.html

Total price with vat Ģ76.02 [$89].
Demo versions available.

Not only does it have lots of painting tools brushes and special effects it also has some great animation features.
In short you get a hell of a lot for your money.
Regards. KEN.

CaptainMarlowe
01-18-2015, 08:22 AM
I use most of the time Sketchbook and Artrage when it comes to drawing/painting. Both have strengths and weaknesses, but if I were to choose between the two, I would go for Artrage, I guess. On Macv, I also use Pixelmatr as a replacement for photoshop.

Greenlaw
01-18-2015, 11:46 AM
Revisited Artrage 4 pro for a little bit last night on my old HP tm2 tablet computer. The Wacom stylus works perfectly but I guess the issue I was having was with gmote, which is what I use to add gesture-based controls. I was running into the same problem with Toon Boom Storyboard and Manga Studio 5 EX last year. Apparently, the problem occurs because these programs were recently upgraded to x64, designed to be more Win 8 stylus compatible, and gmote isn't fully compatible with x64 programs and is mainly supported for Win 7.

Sigh! Guess I need to look into getting a new tablet with modern gesture controls and buttons. (I currently have my eye on the upcoming Cintiq Companion 2.)

G.