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lightscape
09-08-2014, 05:26 AM
https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?topic=238.0
2 votes for lightwave

kolby
09-08-2014, 09:41 AM
The Corona developers are from Czech Republic, where the Lightwave is considered as a dead sofware. I am pretty sure that the Lightwave will be at the very end of list of supported apps.

lightscape
09-09-2014, 10:45 PM
So there are 100+ modo users in Czech Republic? Thats a lot. Lol.

Lewis
09-10-2014, 05:43 AM
Well if there is no mandatory registration to vote it might be more LW clicks.

J|L
09-11-2014, 03:25 AM
Voted... registration takes less than 1 minute
cheers

erikals
09-18-2014, 11:07 PM
registration required no verification, so took me less than a minute...

Corona is free, but for how long, does it expire, or will the beta keep on running ?

kolby
09-19-2014, 12:06 AM
I think it is without time limit.

spherical
09-19-2014, 12:31 AM
Just registered and voted. The more renderers, the merrier! As of this writing, we're at 22% (74 votes) to Modo's 32.9% (111 votes), with SketchUp (why?) at 21.7% (73 votes). C'mon, people. Lets Get Going! You want choices or not?

MarcusM
09-19-2014, 01:52 AM
Voted

allabulle
09-19-2014, 09:35 AM
Voted, too.

THIBAULT
09-19-2014, 09:41 AM
Voted too !

johnliebler
09-19-2014, 10:11 AM
I was going to vote for Ray Dream Designer, but it wasn't there, so I voted for Lightwave. :)

GraphXs
09-19-2014, 10:20 AM
Voted! "81"

OFF
09-19-2014, 10:25 AM
Modo, give up! :king:

MSherak
09-19-2014, 11:06 AM
voted

MauricioPC
09-19-2014, 04:45 PM
88! Let's show that there's more LW users than Modo. :P

lightscape
09-19-2014, 11:24 PM
They're looking for devs.
Looks like maya and c4d are being developed by third party.
Maybe Juanjo can take a look at porting corona for lw since he's done a good job with octane and arnold.

Wickedpup
09-20-2014, 12:01 AM
Isn“t he doing the Renderman port too? Then maybe he has enough on his plate.......

ivanze
09-20-2014, 01:56 PM
Done. 90

cosbovfx
09-20-2014, 09:58 PM
voted 91

jeromedeverite
09-21-2014, 10:14 AM
one more

goakes
09-21-2014, 06:52 PM
#97

erikals
09-21-2014, 07:28 PM
dang, trying to beat the modo guys are you... ? http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/question.gif

GraphXs
09-21-2014, 08:27 PM
100...go go go!

spherical
09-22-2014, 03:47 AM
dang, trying to beat the modo guys are you... ?

Ummm... it's about time something changed along those lines At the very least, we've left SketchUp in the dust.

lightscape
09-22-2014, 04:23 AM
There goes Phungus again insulting lightwave. Lol
"Seeing the sudden momentum Lightwave has gotten I would say someone is using multiple registrations."

http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/discussion/topic.aspx?f=4&t=92136&page=1

50one
09-22-2014, 04:52 AM
There goes Phungus again insulting lightwave. Lol
"Seeing the sudden momentum Lightwave has gotten I would say someone is using multiple registrations."

http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/discussion/topic.aspx?f=4&t=92136&page=1

Well not defending nor accusing anyone but judging by the low-interest this thread caused I too think it's weird since it was just a couple of votes couple of days ago...

Wickedpup
09-22-2014, 05:01 AM
And you should learn to differentiate between Lightwave the software, Newtek the company, and the Lightwave user base/community. They are not all the same thing gathered under the name "lightwave"
oh, and I agree with 50one....

ianr
09-22-2014, 07:07 AM
102ish

alexos
09-22-2014, 08:12 AM
Well not defending nor accusing anyone but judging by the low-interest this thread caused I too think it's weird since it was just a couple of votes couple of days ago...

Nah, there were a couple of threads on the Facebook groups that were going quite strong. I know of at least a couple dozen votes that spawned from there, from peeps who aren't in this thread.

ADP.

Oedo 808
09-22-2014, 08:15 AM
Well not defending nor accusing anyone but judging by the low-interest this thread caused I too think it's weird since it was just a couple of votes couple of days ago...

What do you mean by the low-interest? Are you using the Modo thread as a benchmark for what constitutes high interest?

Haven't voted myself, I will be voting for it mind, I checked it out after a few threads popped up and it looks very intriguing.

So, you voted yet?


And you should learn to differentiate between Lightwave the software, Newtek the company, and the Lightwave user base/community. They are not all the same thing gathered under the name "lightwave"
oh, and I agree with 50one....

Strange to have something against the user base/community, as you say, I'm sure the comment wouldn't have come about from some sort of fixation on LightWave or NewTek.

MauricioPC
09-22-2014, 11:34 AM
In that sense there's only 113 Modo users in the world. :)

spherical
09-22-2014, 01:16 PM
There goes Phungus again insulting lightwave. Lol
"Seeing the sudden momentum Lightwave has gotten I would say someone is using multiple registrations."

http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/discussion/topic.aspx?f=4&t=92136&page=1



Well not defending nor accusing anyone but judging by the low-interest this thread caused I too think it's weird since it was just a couple of votes couple of days ago...

Someone will always find a way in to cut others down and discredit them. "A couple of days ago" it was 74 votes. See post #8. I registered once. Voted once. Followed others that came along after, and their reports back to these threads that they had voted. The number rose accordingly. Just can't win, it seems, even when you conduct yourself properly.

50one
09-22-2014, 01:56 PM
Seems like you get slightly annoyed? As I said not defending or accusing anyone - a "couple" means couple of days(could be anything between 2-30 days), haven't counted - maybe it's ben 3 weeks, not sure...
"at some point" in the past it was around 20, but who cares - I'm not interested in LW nor MODO connection - We've got the world's best renderer built-in, judging by other implementations(other than Max) it will be pure mess anyway, if done by 3rd party - probably even more mess will emerge:)

pinkmouse
09-22-2014, 03:31 PM
No Mac version, not interested.

Pavlov
09-22-2014, 03:53 PM
Consider that the new has staid "silent" for a while, then bounced in forums and facebook pages. It's easy to understand why all at once we got more votes.

Paolo

lightscape
09-22-2014, 10:17 PM
Some core features

Unbiased/consistent rendering with path tracing, light tracing, bidirectional path tracing, progressive photon mapping, and Vertex Connection and Merging

]Biased splotch-free rendering[/B] with radiance caches

Corona material supporting: diffuse, reflection, refraction, translucency, opacity, bump/normal mapping, displacement, emission, and anisotropy

Physical sun & sky, area lights, IES light profiles, and fast geometry lights

Physically correct depth of field and motion blur rendering, physical camera and light emission settings

Progressive and bucket rendering modes

Distributed rendering



So its a hybrid renderer. Maxwell and vray mixed together. This would be versatile for different types of situation.

lightscape
09-22-2014, 10:25 PM
No Mac version, not interested.

Take advantage of bootcamp. You're missing out with mac's dual capability.

Mac user with corona
https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php/topic,5175.0.html

https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5175.0;attach=2069 3;image


https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5175.0;attach=2069 1;image

speismonqui
09-22-2014, 11:13 PM
#108

lightscape
09-24-2014, 12:09 AM
Looking good.

https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5272.0;attach=2105 6;image

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/noahcaiin/MrsWoolfamily_zps51edd757.jpg

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/noahcaiin/toyphotography1_zps97a65d5a.jpg

Ernest
09-24-2014, 06:28 AM
119
...Just 2 more for a tie

lardbros
09-24-2014, 06:52 AM
Another vote for the LW crew :D Only one behind Modo now :)

ideart
09-24-2014, 06:57 AM
Another vote for the LW crew :D Only one behind Modo now :)

121 tie

ianr
09-24-2014, 07:16 AM
Houdini Engine Crew should seriously take a look @ this poll for themselves

ivanze
09-24-2014, 08:59 AM
Now we are winning with 122.

erikals
09-24-2014, 10:12 AM
take THAT modo... :D

http://erikalstad.com/emoti/popcorn.gif

COBRASoft
09-24-2014, 10:21 AM
#124, some lovely renders on their forum.

Megalodon2.0
09-24-2014, 12:07 PM
#124, some lovely renders on their forum.

Modo is a great piece of software, but... then so is LW. :lightwave

MrFurious
09-27-2014, 12:43 AM
voted.. LW and Modo neck and neck with 1 vote between them.

OFF
10-05-2014, 09:09 AM
Heh:

Modo - 151 (33.4%)
Lightwave - 143 (31.6%)

erikals
10-05-2014, 09:31 AM
we're good sports, we let them win... ;]

spherical
10-05-2014, 04:18 PM
Never give up. Never surrender. Looks like they saw that we were paying attention to this and did the same thing themselves. Sat for a long time at 111 before we awoke the hare. You're welcome.

Megalodon2.0
10-05-2014, 04:28 PM
With it being so close, hopefully we'll get plugins for both!

Pavlov
10-07-2014, 04:21 PM
OK guys, here's pricing for Corona:

https://corona-renderer.com/blog/prices-release-date/

judge yourself. Then, hurry and write devs to pray for a Lw release. This is an occasion NOT-TO-MISS.

Paolo

allabulle
10-08-2014, 04:03 PM
This renderer is quite something indeed. It turns out to be cheap too!

Mr_Q
10-08-2014, 05:36 PM
They offer a one-time license. YAY!

Hail
10-09-2014, 06:51 AM
Voted too but Modo is still leading
Hope we are not going to leave it at that:D

djwaterman
10-09-2014, 07:12 AM
Just put my vote in. I suppose we need yet another renderer.

voriax
10-09-2014, 08:15 AM
I'm glad they're doing a month-by-month payment option. Personally I wish all external renderers could be purchased that way. I'd love to have Octane or Kray as well, but can't justify the purchase price as LW isn't my main source of income.

cresshead
10-09-2014, 11:00 AM
rental? no thanks i don't want rental at this pricepoint...$300..so $100 MORE than houdini indie...err NO
perpetual licence - 90 day support/updates only...after that nothing..no bug fixes, no update...zip...no thanks

F.A.I.L

render me disgusted

MrFurious
10-09-2014, 06:22 PM
+1

disappointed with the purchasing options especially '90 days support and updates' for a full purchase.

stingy...

Since were here, anyone heard any news on Kray 3?

Pavlov
10-10-2014, 01:25 PM
Guys, you must be kidding, right ? How do you expect a pro level engine to be priced ? Do you think an engine like tha develops itself alone ?
Good tools have a cost, and Corona price is a gift.
I cant stand this kind of hobby-biased attitude, where anything over 300 dollars is a theft. I would be curious to know what you would say if Vray came to Lw, with a $1000 for the engine itself, and 150 per node.
This is a totally non-pro vision of things and this has a role in LW being in toyland forever.


Paolo

erikals
10-10-2014, 03:32 PM
i still wonder why i should choose Corona over Octane though...

Lewis
10-10-2014, 03:43 PM
i still wonder why i should choose Corona over Octane though...

Maybe 'coz they are two diffeen things ?

Corona is CPU renderer
Octane is GPU renderer

50one
10-10-2014, 03:57 PM
It was a good show, watching that big bubble of interest grow as long as it was 'free' personally I think the pricing model is fair and monthly lease is no different than paying a lease on your office, car, paying mortgage etc. low cost and on-pair with vray.

erikals
10-10-2014, 04:43 PM
http://forums.newtek.com/images/misc/quote_icon.pngerikals
i still wonder why i should choose Corona over Octane though...


http://forums.newtek.com/images/misc/quote_icon.pngLewis
Maybe 'coz they are two diffeen things ?

Corona is CPU renderer
Octane is GPU renderer

besides that...

what makes Corona better than, for example Kray... ?

Pavlov
10-10-2014, 07:43 PM
Corona implements the most advanced kernels out there, just like Renderman RIS and soon Vray (not yet).
This means extremley fast results (on my dual xeons it seems to run 2x faster than Octane on two Titans), and extremely high quality (like Vray, no splotches and no grain).
Also, becoming a standard right now, even if it's still beta. A large migration from Vray is happening.
Imho this is a big occasion for Lw to jump a "rising standard" wagon, like it didnt do at Vray times. Maybe the short-sighted ones saying "we dont need it " had a role, at that time. I would suggest to learn from errors.

Paolo

3dworks
10-11-2014, 04:06 AM
No Mac version, not interested.

read here, https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-c4d-a1-1/

so between the lines, a mac version is planned for mid 2015. i guess, a good LW integration plugin will need that time to develop as well, at least!

very nice gallery images, but i wonder about the speed of the engine, an average 6 h for the examples posted by lightscape a bit earlier (http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?143355-Corona-renderer-vote-for-integration&p=1400601&viewfull=1#post1400601) on a recent mac pro running windows doesn't seem fast to me...

lightscape
10-11-2014, 04:17 AM
read here, https://corona-renderer.com/blog/corona-c4d-a1-1/

so between the lines, a mac version is planned for mid 2015. i guess, a good LW integration plugin will need that time to develop as well, at least!

very nice gallery images, but i wonder about the speed of the engine, an average 6 h for the examples posted by lightscape a bit earlier (http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?143355-Corona-renderer-vote-for-integration&p=1400601&viewfull=1#post1400601) on a recent mac pro running windows doesn't seem fast to me...


Here's a benchmark to test
http://corona-renderer.com/stuff/a4-benchmark

Pavlov
10-11-2014, 04:27 AM
Benchmark solves in 3 minutes on my machine. No splotch no grain, perfect details and AA.
I was at a demo where Talcick - http://jurajtalcik.com/# - and Corona dev were showing it, and i was amazed. You need to do very little on settings, if nothing. With a physical sky and a sun he was able to render interiors and exteriors, perfectly lit, in same scene. Scene was full of furniture and vegetation but he rendered nice images in a pair of minutes, without adjusting anything.
then i talked to Talcick personally, he was a Vray guy but he switched to Corna because - he says- Corona has Vray/maxwell quality but with much faster time than Vray, and with basic settings you get no splotch and no grain, thanks to the kernel, which is a combo of bidirectional pathtracing and progressive photonmapping.
This was a very nice conference, there were people fro all thre world. Mir, Talcik, Dbox, Pedro Fernandez, Guthrie, and many others. I talked to a lot of Vray guys and it seems Corona has everything to become the new Vray. Simpler, faster, cheaper, same or better quality.

Paolo

Lewis
10-11-2014, 04:40 AM
Yeah, on my machine this benchmark scene is also 3 minutes. No way you could do that in current LW and get it that good/clean/realistic esp not in 3 minutes. Is there octane converison so i can test it with my GPUs so we can compare that ?

3dworks
10-11-2014, 04:50 AM
Yeah, on my machine this benchmark scene is also 3 minutes. No way you could do that in current LW and get it that good/clean/realistic esp not in 3 minutes. Is there octane converison so i can test it with my GPUs so we can compare that ?

it's an OBJ + MTL so a conversion of the scene for other engines should be possible, but how is the final result looking? no windows here.

3dworks
10-11-2014, 05:21 AM
besides that...

what makes Corona better than, for example Kray... ?

interesting thread started here on the kray forums:

http://www.kraytracing.com/joomla/forum/index.php?f=3&t=4416&rb_v=viewtopic

Pavlov
10-11-2014, 05:33 AM
Lewis - enter the LW ITA facebook page, thereģ's a huge thread and someone converted it for octane and already made the test. Maybe the guy can share the scene.
Paolo

Lewis
10-11-2014, 08:32 AM
it's an OBJ + MTL so a conversion of the scene for other engines should be possible, but how is the final result looking? no windows here.

Here is final result saved from that Benchmark test.

erikals
10-11-2014, 08:35 AM
Lewis - enter the LW ITA facebook page, thereģ's a huge thread and someone converted it for octane and already made the test. Maybe the guy can share the scene.
http://www.lwita.com

50one
10-11-2014, 10:06 AM
besides that...

what makes Corona better than, for example Kray... ?



Uhmmm, dunno maybe the fact that Corona is released lol and anyone can play with it.

old version of kray can't really compare and v3 is going to be released ....soon, no disrespect to developer but we've been hearing this for at least past two years.

S

Pavlov
10-12-2014, 02:51 AM
Erikals, that's LWita webpage, not Facebook page.
Comparison thread is here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/22583756985/10152262193691986/?notif_t=group_comment_reply
Scroll down until Mirko Tani's post on 29 sept.

Paolo

Lewis
10-12-2014, 02:58 AM
Sorry can't see it, it requires login and i don't use FB.

jwiede
10-12-2014, 08:21 AM
Guys, you must be kidding, right ? How do you expect a pro level engine to be priced ? Do you think an engine like tha develops itself alone ?
Good tools have a cost, and Corona price is a gift.
I cant stand this kind of hobby-biased attitude, where anything over 300 dollars is a theft. I would be curious to know what you would say if Vray came to Lw, with a $1000 for the engine itself, and 150 per node.

Vray at that pricing would be purchased by those who could afford it (likely in droves), because they're a well-established developer with a long history of providing value and improvements. Such buyers would receive free updates within that major version.

Corona's choice of providing only 90 days update coverage is much shorter than competitors (most who offer free updates within major version), and given development cycle times most perpetual license purchasers will be lucky to receive even the equivalent of a minor update within 90 days of purchase -- the perpetual license buyer is thus either forced to also purchase a subscription for support, or paying for every minor update that occurs. Because Corona is from a new, relatively unproven company in terms of value delivery over time, buyers have no basis for predicting update frequency or scale, either.

Pros might have more money to spend, but they're at least as sensitive to ongoing maintenance costs because of the hassle involved in getting permission to purchase updates, budgeting for them, and so forth. Not all find subscriptions attractive, either, because they have concerns about their ability to access the software if the producing company disappears (something the Corona folks have not really addressed in detail), network issues occur, and so forth. Your labeling of comments expressing concerns over maintenance costs, etc. as indicative of some kind of "hobby-bias" lacks clear basis.

jwiede
10-12-2014, 09:45 AM
For an immature product like Corona, subscription models create potential for all sorts of user issues:

What happens when subscribers find bugs that block their usage? Will they receive credit for time lost waiting for such bugs to be fixed? What is the process for handling such credit issues? What is the activation model used by the Corona software? How will it deal with corporate-grade firewalls and network infrastructure? What, if any, provisions exist to keep Corona software in the field running if the developers go bankrupt/disappear?
Currently none of that is clearly spelled out, yet represent make-or-break details for subscribers. Subscribers could easily lose months resolving activation issues or waiting for fixes, yet no mention at all what provisions exist for handling such issues officially, whether/when credits will occur, etc. If Corona were being offered by a company like Autodesk or Adobe, potential subscribers would at least be able to rely on the reputation of the company w.r.t. long-term stability and customer support, but cannot even rely on that in this case.

New / small (read as "risky") companies introducing products are fooling themselves thinking that they can just slap subscription models on products and the cash will just flow in smoothly. The very nature of "1.0" products makes them highly non-suitable for subscription models, because they carry a substantial risk of users encountering design or implementation issues that will block their usage. New / small companies are unlikely to have the experience producing and managing SAAS-type subscription contracts to understand what all needs to be spelled out in order to ensure fair coverage for both themselves and their users (and in such cases where credit provisions aren't adequately defined, it's the users who typically wind up getting the short end of the deal). Such situations lead to often-public conflict, legal and PR issues which can permanently tarnish products' (and companies') reputations.

IMO, if the Corona folks are serious about offering a subscription model, they need to provide (at the least) much clearer terms regarding what their obligations are w.r.t. support and maintenance, what situations qualify for subscription credits, and what provisions have been made to protect subscribers in "product and company end of life" scenarios. Focusing primarily on what's most critical to them (payment) and leaving other, more customer-relevant details so poorly defined, gives the strong impression they see the subscription model as being more about revenue than customer support. That isn't a particularly reassuring sign for a small company introducing a subscription model (IMO).

Niko3D
01-30-2015, 08:32 AM
Ok...now the situation is this...
MODO 182
LW 156

OFF
01-30-2015, 08:39 AM
I think these numbers for the Corona team are equal in general and the case only in their subjective desires.

creacon
01-30-2015, 08:52 AM
Oops, previous post was a slight miscalculation, seems every license comes with 3 floating rendernodes.

creacon

Niko3D
02-02-2015, 02:56 AM
I think these numbers for the Corona team are equal in general and the case only in their subjective desires.

I agree...;)

50one
02-02-2015, 05:58 AM
For an immature product like Corona, subscription models create potential for all sorts of user issues:

What happens when subscribers find bugs that block their usage? Will they receive credit for time lost waiting for such bugs to be fixed? What is the process for handling such credit issues? What is the activation model used by the Corona software? How will it deal with corporate-grade firewalls and network infrastructure? What, if any, provisions exist to keep Corona software in the field running if the developers go bankrupt/disappear?
Currently none of that is clearly spelled out, yet represent make-or-break details for subscribers. Subscribers could easily lose months resolving activation issues or waiting for fixes, yet no mention at all what provisions exist for handling such issues officially, whether/when credits will occur, etc. If Corona were being offered by a company like Autodesk or Adobe, potential subscribers would at least be able to rely on the reputation of the company w.r.t. long-term stability and customer support, but cannot even rely on that in this case.



Valid points, however I guess it will be the same as with any other "normal" licensing purchase, you just buy the product "as is", if you'll find a bug in Modo/LW it all depends on how complex it is and sometimes a major version can fix the issues(for which you'll have to pay for - and this happens quite often...). I know you might be scared, but seriously at this price why not give those guys a trust token rather than just act like they're going to fold their company tomorrow and runaway with your dollars? Every company once started - and to be honest a for a "starter" they're already making a lot of buzz in the industry - especially arch-viz.

lightscape
02-26-2015, 06:09 AM
Some really nice rendering
.
https://corona-renderer.com/gallery/

If what corona users say are true, that you get maxwell quality renders with vray speed, then this is an extremely versatile renderer.

Vertex Merging, a smart combo of bidirectional pathtracing and progressive photonmapping - same of Renderman RIS. This engine is able to get unbiased quality in much shorter time than Vray.

jwiede
02-26-2015, 05:50 PM
Valid points, however I guess it will be the same as with any other "normal" licensing purchase, you just buy the product "as is", if you'll find a bug in Modo/LW it all depends on how complex it is and sometimes a major version can fix the issues(for which you'll have to pay for - and this happens quite often...).

I already discussed this in the prior post -- their policy of only providing 90 days of free updates is actually much, much shorter period than other render engine's policies for non-subscription permanent licensees (which is most always either 1yr or until next major version). That means either perm. license buyers must also purchase a subscription to receive updates, or receive few to no updates (which is especially risky given an early-lifetime product). Viewed compared to other engines' terms, that makes Corona's TCO less attractive, thus making RoI more risky.

For a well-established company with a known, market-successful product, introducing such terms might be acceptable to market. For an unproven company and product to field such aggressive pricing terms is not historically a very promising sign, all told. It's not about trust, it's about the likelihood that the market at large will accept rather significant amounts of risk _and_ high pricing associated with this new render engine (in an already crowded market) -- unfortunately, that likelihood just isn't very high.

lightscape
02-26-2015, 07:35 PM
Total promo price 448 €

Time-unlimited access to the version 1.0 and all relevant bug fixes
One time payment
Eligible for future paid upgrades to versions 2.0, 3.0, …
Requires 64-bit 3ds Max 2011-2015
One fixed seat workstation license (usable also as a render node) + 3 fixed render nodes

jwiede
02-26-2015, 07:55 PM
Total promo price 448 €

Time-unlimited access to the version 1.0 and all relevant bug fixes
One time payment

Price you're citing is for Corona-for-3DSMAX perm. license and one year subscription (at ~99euro/yr) and includes minor/major updates/upgrades within the year, it is not a one-time payment. One-time payment for perm. license (without subscription) is 349euro, but only includes "all relevant bug fixes" (which is explicitly not same as "all minor updates", and likely a big difference in first version release scenario). Also note explicit language about "can be purchased only when buying the Box license, not later" w.r.t. subscription.

kopperdrake
02-27-2015, 02:38 AM
Voted - closed the Modo-LightWave gap by one vote - now at 188-163