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shrox
05-15-2014, 11:52 PM
As an artist it is frustrating, madding and depressing. As a person who uses eating utensils, it's dangerous!

I've had a hand or arm out of commission before, but long term loss of use is making feel like a bumbling, clumsy idiot. I use the plastic plates and glasses now, my roommate was not happy about chipped plates!

Has anyone experience with an "air mouse"? If so, are they accurate enough for Lightwave detail work?

shrox
05-16-2014, 01:46 AM
http://www.cnet.com/news/airmouse-lets-you-wear-it-like-a-glove/

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pauland
05-16-2014, 02:21 AM
Sorry to hear of your troubles, Shrox.

I can't help but imagine that any dexterity issues would be magnified by a device that is so closely allied to the limb you have problems with.

I'd never heard of this device before and there may be a reason why.

I hope you are able to get a solution soon. Good luck.

hazmat777
05-16-2014, 05:01 AM
It's a tough thing to deal with for sure. Sorry to hear about your situation. Have you been to a specialist? I took a spill reaching for a light switch in the dark and rolled over my left hand and shoulder. My hand started to lose "connection" in about 15 minutes after the fall. I went to see a specialist and she put electrodes on my hand and would "zap" it once a week for about three weeks and eventually got me back to full functionality. Couldn't thank her enough since my other hobby is guitar. Best of luck!

spherical
05-16-2014, 04:39 PM
Would Leap help? http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?141628-Hand-motion-capture-with-leap-motion

shrox
05-16-2014, 04:59 PM
Would Leap help? http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?141628-Hand-motion-capture-with-leap-motion

It looked good, but then I read the reviews about it, they weren't so good.

rcallicotte
05-18-2014, 09:06 PM
Not trying to pry, but if you are able to do exercises, get a hand squeezer - http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=hand%20squeezer&sprefix=hand+sq%2Caps&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Ahand%20squeezer

But, maybe your hand / arms are dealing with other issues and this won't help. I know this helps my issues with possible carpal tunnel as long as I'm doing stretching exercises, too.

djwaterman
05-18-2014, 09:45 PM
Recently I started getting pains and weakness in my wrists, thumbs and mouse fingers, not long after you first reported your condition, I thought it might be a similar deal, but I think it is slowly getting better. It made me think about what I'd do if I couldn't do computer work anymore and I was thinking about your situation a lot and how annoying it would be. That air mouse thing was possibly designed, or this one http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403538,00.asp for carpal tunnel sufferers, at least that's what it says. I think you gotta try something if you want to get back on the horse.

Ryan Roye
05-18-2014, 09:58 PM
Occasionally I wear either a brace or a hand wrap to help with discomfort in the wrists. I also use a program simply called "dimmer" when my eyes feel a little burnt out and I want to quickly adjust the monitor brightness (or when its like 1am and I'm working on something).

To answer Shrox's question about air mice, I bought one a few months back. Basically, it makes a killer remote control device and in the right desk setup it can put a lot of convenience into browsing around or watching movies... but I wouldn't say it has a lot of practical uses for production work like one would do in Lightwave. The fact that you can just plug it in, turn it around, and have the cursor move around on the screen is really cool. The one I have is double-sided, with a thumbpad keyboard on the back which can be convenient. I also use it with nevron kinect capture to avoid having to walk back and fourth to the desk constantly. I got mine on ebay for about $15... but these things normally cost like $60+

On another related topic, I couldn't consider any air mice on the market suitable for motion capture usages as they all lack a magnetometer or are not accurate enough to prevent drifting.

shrox
05-18-2014, 10:33 PM
Thanks friends, I would like to get back on the horse.

Did you know "horse" is another term for heroin? Lightwave is heroin.

sublimationman
05-18-2014, 11:53 PM
There is a one finger mouse that looks more like a ring that may be promising. I almost bought one when I was having carpel tunnel but my Chiropractor fixed it.

http://www.amazon.com/One-Finger-Mouse-USB-Blac/dp/B000BSLTIS

Snosrap
05-19-2014, 01:21 PM
My issue is in clicking the mouse buttons. Move your fingers in a mouse clicking action and you can see your muscles move all the way back to your elbow. It's given me tendonitis so now I use a Wacom for all of my computing needs and it has made world of difference. Clicking with the Wacom is a rotation of the wrist/forearm and much less stress on those muscles. Not sure if it relates to your issues or not, but I wish you all the best.

kopperdrake
05-19-2014, 04:32 PM
Sorry to hear of your problem Shrox. I've no idea what's upsetting your dexterity, but if it helps, I had a bad shoulder ache that kicked in a few years ago. It's not the best shoulder in the world, but I found that my posture was exacerbating it. I invested in a decent chair, which allowed me to raise the height of the seat and kept other ergonomic points in the correct place, and it has served me well for seven years. I never would have thought posture could effect a body so much, nor the cure be so quick!

Good luck in finding a solution to easing the issue.

Davewriter
05-19-2014, 08:03 PM
I go about mine a little differently. I've got pinched nerves in my neck that's causing pain in three fingers of my right hand. Luckily that is my dominant hand - sigh. Gone from a 100 wpm typist to doing point and peck. At times I'd like to put those fingers in a blender... only the pain would still be there, and I'd be missing some fingers.
It's scary thinking about just how easy "normal" life can disappear.

erikals
05-20-2014, 04:24 AM
1 - massage the arm regularly
2 - get a Wacom pen, believe me, it helps
3 - toggle between using a Wacom and a Mouse
4 - heat aid patches helps at times

shrox
05-20-2014, 10:08 AM
My condition is Dystonia, which literally translates into "turn to stone". The muscles start to tighten, but don't release, and it can cause uncontrollable tremors too.

It's started in 2000, it's finally really starting to interfere now though. Makes me mad sometimes too. Oh well.

Well kids, just remember, "Lightwave, it's highly addicting!"

erikals
05-20-2014, 04:56 PM
sorry to hear this... :/

are you taking any medicines for it?
i heard a new "breakthrough" for some uncontrollable muscle problems was some cannabis-related drug.
no miracle cure, but maybe it could help? heard about it...? unfortunately i couldn't find the link... :/

erikals
05-20-2014, 04:59 PM
could this be something >
http://www.amazon.com/Kensington-Expert-Mouse-Optical-Trackball/dp/B00009KH63

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41a9He%2B9kjL._SX425_.jpg

erikals
05-20-2014, 05:01 PM
or this, Lazy Mouse >
http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?141538-Lazy-Nezumi-smoothing-plugin

shrox
05-20-2014, 05:23 PM
sorry to hear this... :/

are you taking any medicines for it?
i heard a new "breakthrough" for some uncontrollable muscle problems was some cannabis-related drug.
no miracle cure, but maybe it could help? heard about it...? unfortunately i couldn't find the link... :/

Yes, I have been a medical cannabis patient for 13 years, it has probably delayed the progression of symptoms. Initially I was diagnosed with Parkinson's, but that doesn't seem to be the case now. It practically has been a miracle treatment though.

jeric_synergy
05-20-2014, 08:11 PM
Yes, I have been a medical cannabis patient for 13 years, it has probably delayed the progression of symptoms. Initially I was diagnosed with Parkinson's, but that doesn't seem to be the case now. It practically has been a miracle treatment though.
Now, Shrox, don't you know that all that relief you've been experiencing is just a Leftist plot, and can't be real? We've been assured so by Very Serwwwwious People.

djwaterman
05-20-2014, 08:57 PM
Well at least you can discount Parkinson's.

jeric_synergy
05-20-2014, 10:08 PM
Well at least you can discount Parkinson's.
Which is a DAMN GOOD THING.

If you think it's straight overuse, shrox, I urge you to look into the various massage, yoga, and whatev therapies. Maybe have an occupational therapist watch you work.

I had a silly thing once: my stupid desk got so stupid crowded that, unnoticed by stupid me, my stupid elbow got crowded off the surface. My forearm really really hurt, for weeks, and I was a bit panic stricken. --Then one day I got that look, the one that Ripley gave the Queen just before she torched all the eggs, and moved (pushed) a bunch of stuff off my desk, and 48 hours later my arm stopped hurting.

A bit embarrassing, that.

But, a ray of hope.

Boris Goreta
05-22-2014, 03:31 PM
I use Wacom pen all the time, I haven't worked with a mouse for 10 years now. Hand is in a relaxed, natural position when using a pen.

Plus I have gel under my right elbow.

Plus Aeron chair reclined to the max -> this took away all back pain due to prolonged sitting, I recommend it very much, additional head rest is obligatory because you'll get neck pains being in reclined position for a long time

Oedo 808
05-22-2014, 04:55 PM
Hmm, not sure about LightWave but one of these might help:

121987

Seriously though, sorry to hear this Shrox, I'd hate to have my control restricted like that. I do have a Wacom, but often still use the mouse, though I have mine on quite a fast speed, fastest acceleration and the movement of the cursor from one side of the monitor to the other comprises of about 1cm as I find that best. Even with my tablet the quick area is shrinking down almost to match, though that wouldn't help with any tremors.

Not much I can say but I hope you find something that at least allows you to maintain your creative freedom, if not restore your mobility closer to where it ought to be.

Mr_Q
05-22-2014, 05:01 PM
Yeah my vote is for the trackball if you can move your fingers. My friend switched to one years ago when he was getting serious wrist issues with a mouse. He's a 2D/3D artist.

shrox
05-22-2014, 05:18 PM
Hmm, not sure about LightWave but one of these might help:

121987

...

At a pound shop I saw something similar, for only a pound! Because of that, I didn't trust it.

shrox
05-27-2014, 01:06 AM
I have had a couple of ideas. Making the mouse button "taller" by putting some rubber stick on feet for small appliances on them might help, and clamping a mouse platform to my chair arm as well.

jeric_synergy
05-27-2014, 10:04 AM
I'm just going to reiterate, professional help is quite effective.

'Cuz those ideas sound insane.

jburford
05-27-2014, 10:15 AM
Hypnosis maybe. . . . keep telling your body it doesn't have a problem?

Anyways, wish you all the best and care!

50one
05-29-2014, 07:16 AM
How about the electric muscle stimulation? TENS machine? Have you tried it? It's not expensive, could help - keep fighting!

ActionBob
05-29-2014, 11:21 AM
Hey Shrox,

Do you have a Wacom Pen / Tablet? I have an old one - generation 1 (12" x12" - it is big) that I don't use. If you could use it, I would be willing to send it to you. It has mostly collected dust over the years as I actually found the footprint of it to be too big. Cost me a pretty penny too back in the day (like 500 bucks). However, if you think you could use it (should be able to get drivers that work with it; have not plugged it in forever), I can send it to you for the low low cost of FREE... Message me if you are interested with your delivery details. The only disclaimer that I make is that when I last tried it, it worked fine.

Also, as an aside, you should absolutely not rest on your elbows. You can pinch / damage the Ulnar (spelling?) nerve and it can aggravate wrist / finger / arm pain issues.

-Adrian

prometheus
05-29-2014, 02:41 PM
I feel for you shrox and hope it doesnīt mean further signs of parkinson or something.
Not very hopeful regarding cureīs etc..I sure hope their is some promising researches and test somewhere around the world to find a cure for it...and I hope
you have the strength or have help from friends doing some researches about this.
Keep in mind that sience and medical inventions keeps popping up from time to time..and hopefully there might be something out there that could prevent your disorder from getting worse.

Not really related to your disorder..but I find it a bit inspirational...
I recall the interesting film called "lorenzos oil" with susan sarandon and nick nolte ..based on a true story about a boy who got some sort of brain collapse dementia at a very early age, which could eventually lead to death.

The doctors said there was no cure, but the parents didnīt give up and started to do researches themself and not trusting what the doctors said, eventually they managed to understand the process of the brain functions and later
worked with some doctors to extract some protein from olive oil or something I think, and then inserted that on to the boy, and the declaining stages seemed to stop and got the boy to at least some stage of recovery in the end.

Maybe some serious recommendation of whisky intake, to balance the shakes:) if that doesnīt work I hope some laughs will make you feel a little better anyway.:D
http://accessibility.gtri.gatech.edu/assistant/acc_info/factsheet_dexterity_mobility.php

Michael

prometheus
05-29-2014, 02:48 PM
How about the electric muscle stimulation? TENS machine? Have you tried it? It's not expensive, could help - keep fighting!

I thought the issue lies in brain disorder and not actually in nerve damages in the hands, but maybe electric stimulation works backwards and stimulates the brain somehow?

50one
05-29-2014, 03:12 PM
I thought the issue lies in brain disorder and not actually in nerve damages in the hands, but maybe electric stimulation works backwards and stimulates the brain somehow?

You are right, however this machine not only stimulates muscles but nerves and the electrodes can be placed all over the body, usually the machine is supplied with nice booklet showing various configs, acupuncture can help too, obviously I'm not talking about curing it but helping relieve the muscle pains and probably making the symptoms not that bad, if I were you I would start exercising like mad too get yourself "convict conditioning" book and see the chapters on stretching, especially back bridges are good and beneficial for your health.


Oh and whisky as mentioned by prometheus, good shot of vitamin C, prevents dementia and regulates the blood flow, obviously don't go above 2 units daily;)

BokadCastle
05-29-2014, 05:10 PM
Don't rule out Acupuncture.

I have personal experience when it was offered by my doctor after he'd run out of conventional ideas.
It worked in minutes, then cured after a few weeks of treatment.

There are millenia of acupuncture experiences to draw on.

prometheus
05-29-2014, 08:24 PM
You are right, however this machine not only stimulates muscles but nerves and the electrodes can be placed all over the body, usually the machine is supplied with nice booklet showing various configs, acupuncture can help too, obviously I'm not talking about curing it but helping relieve the muscle pains and probably making the symptoms not that bad, if I were you I would start exercising like mad too get yourself "convict conditioning" book and see the chapters on stretching, especially back bridges are good and beneficial for your health.


Oh and whisky as mentioned by prometheus, good shot of vitamin C, prevents dementia and regulates the blood flow, obviously don't go above 2 units daily;)

Yeah vitamin C probably helps, blueberry is also said to be very strong in terms of antioxidant effect, helping the cells withstanding the decay in aging etc.
Iīm not a doctor though..and I really donīt know a squat about these conditions..so my advices should be taken with some skepsis ..especially the whisky advice:)
I hope not this is a case of neurons in the brain dying ..like ALS etc, that has a bad prognoze, what I talked about regarding Lorenzos oil..is some kind of rare disease called ALD and was supposed to be fatal within 2 years...but
I found it inspirational to discover how the parents didnīt give up and eventually found a way to halt the disease..not completly recover from it, but significantly better...
some mixture of olive oil and rapeseed canola oil, distilled in to euricic acid, that helped normalizing the fatty acids in the brain.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo%27s_Oil

All this might be completly way off.. in relation to what shrox actually got, maybe something there is related somehow, but that is just wild guessing from me..Im just a swedish medicin man cooking up my own recepies:) It would be nice though to hear shrox bumping back here with anice story of him getting guided to some promizing cure or help in the near future.

A side note...my mother who passed away 2011 at the age of 80, she actually got a brain tumour at the age of 64, and at that time they said she only would have maybe 5-9 months to live, but it ended up
quite well and the cancer was seemingly gone, and she got a lot more years to live thankfully, on the downside..she got dementia the last two years and had a hard time recognizing us.
I recall looking around the web for cures on cancer, then we got her to drink a soup from some bark from peru, along with radiation and chemo therapy and some operations on the brain..she got all kinds of treatments
Itīs good to see hope where there shouldnīt be any sometimes.

Michael