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yoshiii
03-04-2014, 05:40 AM
Hello

Can't decide about buying 23"monitor vs 27"
It was suggest to have two but can only afford two if by 23". Which should I buy?
At store now

My choices are:

LG 23EA63V-P
Philips 234E5QHSB/11
ASUS VX239H

27"
LG 27EA63V-P
Philips 274E5QHSB/11
ASUS VX279H

Would size and model would you suggest?
I go back to the store tomorrow.

Can't speed a whole lot because building a new PC. My current is a Dell XPS 420 with q6600 CPU and 4 gigs of ram

Danner
03-04-2014, 06:31 AM
27, save up for the second one and get it later

yoshiii
03-04-2014, 06:47 AM
27, save up for the second one and get it later

Which model above would you suggest?

JonW
03-04-2014, 07:00 AM
reviews.cnet.com/best-27-inch-lcd-monitors/




Looking at the specs for the Philips, unless I'm wrong all it can do is 1920 x 1080!?

You need 2560 x 1440.

yoshiii
03-04-2014, 07:13 AM
reviews.cnet.com/best-27-inch-lcd-monitors/

Can't read link now on iPhone.

I am in Japan so no time to order one from the states.
Should I get a really good one now and build new computer later? Or get lower priced ones and build new computer?
The choices I have are the ones from above.

MarcusM
03-04-2014, 07:16 AM
reviews.cnet.com/best-27-inch-lcd-monitors/




Looking at the specs for the Philips, unless I'm wrong all it can do is 1920 x 1080!?

You need 2560 x 1440.

Exactly, only 2560 x 1440. You have a lot of more space.

JonW
03-04-2014, 07:24 AM
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/reviews/monitor/nec-svr272.html

This is high end.


A good compromise would be a Dell.

& some hardware calibration.

yoshiii
03-04-2014, 07:38 AM
Exactly, only 2560 x 1440. You have a lot of more space.

It was suggest to me by someone on here to go 1920x1080
All of the monitors above I believe are 1920x1080
If I get 2560x1440 will be will be too expensive at this point.
Plus my gpu is a GTX 660. Can this handle 2560x1440?

MarcusM
03-04-2014, 07:55 AM
It was suggest to me by someone on here to go 1920x1080
All of the monitors above I believe are 1920x1080
If I get 2560x1440 will be will be too expensive at this point.
Plus my gpu is a GTX 660. Can this handle 2560x1440?

For sure graphic card will handle this resolution but you must have good cable, dvi dual link or display port-good adapter-hdmi.
Here is a difference:
120581

I was thinking in Japan hardware is cheap like water ;p

yoshiii
03-04-2014, 08:35 AM
For sure graphic card will handle this resolution but you must have good cable, dvi dual link or display port-good adapter-hdmi.
Here is a difference:
120581

I was thinking in Japan hardware is cheap like water ;p

No expensive here, well the models above are kind of cheap, all about 200-208 dollars for the 23" models and about 288-338 dollars for the 27" models.

If I didnt have to build a new computer, I would spend more money.

I was thinking get two 23" monitors for the price of one 27" monitor.

How much of a hassle will it be if I chose 23" over 27" when working in LW?

yoshiii
03-04-2014, 08:41 AM
reviews.cnet.com/best-27-inch-lcd-monitors/




Looking at the specs for the Philips, unless I'm wrong all it can do is 1920 x 1080!?

You need 2560 x 1440.


27, save up for the second one and get it later


Exactly, only 2560 x 1440. You have a lot of more space.


350 dollars is about all I can afford right now at the most. If it is best for me to get 2560x1440, should I just get the 23" and save to get a good 27" for later? Or just go for the 27" at the 1920x1080 resolution?

Markc
03-04-2014, 12:03 PM
I think you would regret getting a 1920x1080 27 inch (as previously stated it should be 2560x1440).
Get a 1920x1200 24 inch :) (just another option :D)

JonW
03-04-2014, 01:15 PM
I don't think people today appreciate just how cheap monitors are & the shear amount of real estate one gets for the money these days. I bought a Sony CRT (cathode ray tube) about 15 years ago. It was the last of the curved screen models, $2600 for 21" & don't forget that was only the tube size, the actual viewable size was only 19.8" at 1600 x 1200 @ 85 Hz or 2048 x 1536 @ 60 Hz, 85 Hz minimum was best on a CRT. This price was cheap as only a couple of years earlier they were about $4500.

Today no one should be using anything less than 2560 x 1440. I could not think of things much worse than trying to use 1920 x 1080. I have a 1920 x 1200 & it is simply too small for a main screen. There will be too much window & menu boarders & there won't be enough area to do complex work.

Complex drawings customers are supplying these days you need a decent monitor for the detail one needs to supply so one is not wasting time.

Running LW efficiently or any other complex software and you will want to keep a lot of menus open all the time and still have a decent area to work with.

JonW
03-04-2014, 02:25 PM
For sure graphic card will handle this resolution but you must have good cable, dvi dual link or display port-good adapter-hdmi.
Here is a difference:
120581

I was thinking in Japan hardware is cheap like water ;p

This explains the situation exactly.



You may even want to do a reasonable size VPR.

Shnoze Shmon
03-04-2014, 02:36 PM
Let me put it this way. If you buy the 2 x 23" monitors will you still retain the plan to get a larger main monitor? If yes than buy 2 for now. A 23" monitor is a good size for a second screen. It's so valuable to have that second screen for LW diolage boxes. I leave surfacing, numeric and stats permanently open on the second screen. It's great for reference material and playing a tutorial while you follow along.

If the answer above is no then how long will it take before you get the second one? Is there an old monitor you can use in the meantime?

I would consider being without a second monitor a short term getting by situation. Kinda like using leaves because no toilet paper is available. -well maybe just a tad over the top comparison :D

yoshiii
03-04-2014, 02:55 PM
This explains the situation exactly.



You may even want to do a reasonable size VPR.


Let me put it this way. If you buy the 2 x 23" monitors will you still retain the plan to get a larger main monitor? If yes than buy 2 for now. A 23" monitor is a good size for a second screen. It's so valuable to have that second screen for LW diolage boxes. I leave surfacing, numeric and stats permanently open on the second screen. It's great for reference material and playing a tutorial while you follow along.

If the answer above is no then how long will it take before you get the second one? Is there an old monitor you can use in the meantime?

I would consider being without a second monitor a short term getting by situation. Kinda like using leaves because no toilet paper is available. -well maybe just a tad over the top comparison :D

Ok, so if I get a 27" monitor at 1920x1080 the window and menus it will be too big to fit on the screen properly, not enough space for image work ? So if I get a 23", get it and than later get a 27" but at 2560x1440?

Ok

Thanks

JonW
03-04-2014, 03:17 PM
Then you can use the 23" vertically for menus beside the main screen. Having a vertical monitor is great for the Layers menu in Modeler as seen in the left of the attached image, 24" + 30" + 30".

yoshiii
03-04-2014, 03:20 PM
Then you can use the 23" vertically for menus beside the main screen. Having a vertical monitor is great for the Layers menu in Modeler as seen in the left of the attached image, 24" + 30" + 30".

Ok

spherical
03-04-2014, 05:33 PM
From one who has both to compare. I have two ViewSonics, which are pretty good as 8-bit monitors go. We do a lot of image reproduction and output to a high end 11-color 44" inkjet, so not only 3D modeling/rendering. Accuracy and fidelity at a reasonable price is important.

A 23" as my left and 27" as my right. Both are 1920x1080. Keeping the 27" was a mistake. All it is is a scaled up 23". Rez options on it don't go any higher, as the cards (both are attached to two machines) don't want to go past monitor-native. I could force them but wouldn't expect it to be acceptably clear if I did. The assertion that 1920x1080 is too small to do any real work on is just a bit... odd. Not so long ago, when those expensive CRTs were the only option, 1920x1080 would have been very welcome. I don't have any trouble at all at this size and resolution. Would 2560x1440 be better? You bet. Is 1920x1080 unacceptable? Not in the least. Do I want 27" or 30" 10-bit 2560x1440s? Of course.... someday. No doubt they'll be better. Then, the 27" size will make more sense.

So my observation is, if you can, get two 23" and span the desktop across them. You'll have a 3840x1080 workspace. I run Layout on the leftówith its panels on the right, and Modeler on the rightówith its panels on the left. Works great. When funds come along later, upgrade to a 2560x1440 8-bit (10-bit if you can afford it) one at a time and run 3 monitors.

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yoshiii
03-04-2014, 10:05 PM
Then you can use the 23" vertically for menus beside the main screen. Having a vertical monitor is great for the Layers menu in Modeler as seen in the left of the attached image, 24" + 30" + 30".


From one who has both to compare. I have two ViewSonics, which are pretty good as 8-bit monitors go. We do a lot of image reproduction and output to a high end 11-color 44" inkjet, so not only 3D modeling/rendering. Accuracy and fidelity at a reasonable price is important.

A 23" as my left and 27" as my right. Both are 1920x1080. Keeping the 27" was a mistake. All it is is a scaled up 23". Rez options on it don't go any higher, as the cards (both are attached to two machines) don't want to go past monitor-native. I could force them but wouldn't expect it to be acceptably clear if I did. The assertion that 1920x1080 is too small to do any real work on is just a bit... odd. Not so long ago, when those expensive CRTs were the only option, 1920x1080 would have been very welcome. I don't have any trouble at all at this size and resolution. Would 2560x1440 be better? You bet. Is 1920x1080 unacceptable? Not in the least. Do I want 27" or 30" 10-bit 2560x1440s? Of course.... someday. No doubt they'll be better. Then, the 27" size will make more sense.

So my observation is, if you can, get two 23" and span the desktop across them. You'll have a 3840x1080 workspace. I run Layout on the left—with its panels on the right, and Modeler on the right—with its panels on the left. Works great. When funds come along later, upgrade to a 2560x1440 8-bit (10-bit if you can afford it) one at a time and run 3 monitors.

120595 120596

I found a 27" monitor I can buy, it's 2560x1440. The ASUS PB278Q
Has anyone heard if this? It has a PLS screen. Is this just as good as IPS?

yoshiii
03-05-2014, 08:28 AM
From one who has both to compare. I have two ViewSonics, which are pretty good as 8-bit monitors go. We do a lot of image reproduction and output to a high end 11-color 44" inkjet, so not only 3D modeling/rendering. Accuracy and fidelity at a reasonable price is important.

A 23" as my left and 27" as my right. Both are 1920x1080. Keeping the 27" was a mistake. All it is is a scaled up 23". Rez options on it don't go any higher, as the cards (both are attached to two machines) don't want to go past monitor-native. I could force them but wouldn't expect it to be acceptably clear if I did. The assertion that 1920x1080 is too small to do any real work on is just a bit... odd. Not so long ago, when those expensive CRTs were the only option, 1920x1080 would have been very welcome. I don't have any trouble at all at this size and resolution. Would 2560x1440 be better? You bet. Is 1920x1080 unacceptable? Not in the least. Do I want 27" or 30" 10-bit 2560x1440s? Of course.... someday. No doubt they'll be better. Then, the 27" size will make more sense.

So my observation is, if you can, get two 23" and span the desktop across them. You'll have a 3840x1080 workspace. I run Layout on the leftówith its panels on the right, and Modeler on the rightówith its panels on the left. Works great. When funds come along later, upgrade to a 2560x1440 8-bit (10-bit if you can afford it) one at a time and run 3 monitors.

120595 120596

How much do you not like using your 27"? I am very tempted to get a 27" even if it is only 1920x1080.

yoshiii
03-05-2014, 08:50 AM
From one who has both to compare. I have two ViewSonics, which are pretty good as 8-bit monitors go. We do a lot of image reproduction and output to a high end 11-color 44" inkjet, so not only 3D modeling/rendering. Accuracy and fidelity at a reasonable price is important.

A 23" as my left and 27" as my right. Both are 1920x1080. Keeping the 27" was a mistake. All it is is a scaled up 23". Rez options on it don't go any higher, as the cards (both are attached to two machines) don't want to go past monitor-native. I could force them but wouldn't expect it to be acceptably clear if I did. The assertion that 1920x1080 is too small to do any real work on is just a bit... odd. Not so long ago, when those expensive CRTs were the only option, 1920x1080 would have been very welcome. I don't have any trouble at all at this size and resolution. Would 2560x1440 be better? You bet. Is 1920x1080 unacceptable? Not in the least. Do I want 27" or 30" 10-bit 2560x1440s? Of course.... someday. No doubt they'll be better. Then, the 27" size will make more sense.

So my observation is, if you can, get two 23" and span the desktop across them. You'll have a 3840x1080 workspace. I run Layout on the left—with its panels on the right, and Modeler on the right—with its panels on the left. Works great. When funds come along later, upgrade to a 2560x1440 8-bit (10-bit if you can afford it) one at a time and run 3 monitors.

120595 120596


Then you can use the 23" vertically for menus beside the main screen. Having a vertical monitor is great for the Layers menu in Modeler as seen in the left of the attached image, 24" + 30" + 30".

I bought a ASUS VX239H 23" monitor.

There was a Eizo 23" monitor for almost 400 dollars that is supposed to be very good.

I found a 2560x1440 monitor. It is a ASUS PB278Q. It has sRGB. It is almost 500 dollars. Should I take the 23" monitor back and get the 27"? I can do it, it just means I have to push back my new pc build a month or two.
Or should I keep the 23" monitor and just save up and get the 27" later. I was told that they are out of production so I guess whatever the store has in stock is it for the 27".

Or should I get the Eizo? What is the big difference between 1920x1080 and 1920x1200? I gues the 1920x1200 is better?