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Dot3
02-07-2014, 10:46 AM
Hello Wavers

I'm looking to build a workstation for Motion Graphics, VFX including a lot of sims, RBD and particles, Modeling with Zbrush and compositing.
I'll be using Lightwave,3dsmax,Adobe CC, and Zbrush.

My Current budget is $1500 I will be able to add on an additional $500 in a month.

Here are my 2 options:

4770k based

CPU - Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150
Case - Corsair Obsidian 750D Black ATX Full Tower Computer Case - $159.99
PSU - CORSAIR AX series AX760 760W - $149.99
Motherboard - ASUS Z87-EXPERT LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $229.49
GPU - EVGA 03G-P4-2664-KR GeForce GTX 660 3GB 192-Bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 SLI Support Video Card - $224.99
Ram - G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 - $319.99
Boot Drive -SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE120BW 2.5" 120GB SATA III - 89.99

Total - $1514.43

I have an Hitachi 1TB deskstar which will be used as a data drive and several monitors
Will add 2x WD BLACK SERIES WD3003FZEX 3TB 3.5" Internal Hard Drive in Raid 0


The 4930k spec looks like this

CPU - Intel Core i7-4930K Ivy Bridge-E 3.4GHz LGA 2011 -$579.99
Case - Corsair Obsidian 750D Black ATX Full Tower Computer Case - $159.99
PSU - CORSAIR AX series AX760 760W - $149.99
Motherboard -ASUS X79 DELUXE LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $349.99
GPU - Radeon 5750 from old system
Ram - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 - $149.99
Boot Drive -Hitachi Deskstar 1 TB from older system
Cooling - CORSAIR Hydro Series H100i Extreme Performance Water/Liquid CPU Cooler -$109.99

Total - $1499.94


Having said all that I understand the 4770k is faster in single threaded task and the 4930 is beastly in multi-threaded task.
The question is given the tick-tock nature of Intels cpu releases and the announcement that Intel will be releasing Haswell -E chips which wont support the 2011 sockets and refreshing the the 1150 socket Haswells this summer would it be better to get the 4770k and take a wait and see approach to the refreshed Haswell chips and the future tock (Broadwell). or should I get the 4930 knowing this is the last socket 2011 and ride this pony for a few years.


Please any help would be appreciated, I think I maybe suffering from information overload

Danner
02-07-2014, 12:10 PM
I changed a 5 year old i7 920 for a i7 960 on my gaming rig and dobled it in speed, but it was an exeption, everytime I need to upgrade processor the rest of the box is obsolete too so I change the whole thing. The i7 4930 is a solid performer, it's exaclty the same speed for rendering as a 2670 xeon that costs 3 times more, and the i7 is faster in single threaded operations. The cool thing about the xeons is that you can put two in a box. The 4770 while being potentially more future-proof is dissapointing for any multythreading task. So I'd go with the 4930, I do beleive that it's the best bang for the buck right now.

Dot3
02-07-2014, 01:01 PM
Thanks for the reply, so I should get the 4930 overclock it and get single thread performance on par with the 4770 and the multi-thread aswell

hrgiger
02-07-2014, 01:14 PM
i would go with bigger then a 120 GB boot drive. I would go with at least 250. And i also recommend the 4930k. I get nice temps with the H100i cooler.

spherical
02-07-2014, 04:13 PM
Your Option 2 is essentially my workstation, with the exception of:


Corsair 650D in place of the 750D. The former is huge. The latter is gigantic.
Corsair RAM.
Corsair AX1200i PSU. Never skimp on power.
Samsung SSD boot drive from Option 1.
Unsure why you're getting an nVidia card for one and not the other. Many renderers now employ CUDA, so having that capability is a plus. Mine's a GTX670. Really cranks in Octane and Thea Render; especially in GPU+CPU mode.

Dot3
02-07-2014, 09:10 PM
GPU is outside current budget of $1500 for the 4930 system will need to get 660 in a few weeks. maybe I can cut the ram down to 16GB to free up cash for the AX1200, but the goal is to have a fully running base system and add to it over the next few months. Thank for all the input guys.

JamesCurtis
02-07-2014, 09:39 PM
About a month ago I had bought a prebuilt 3D capable gaming / LW production system with the i7 4770 and I ended up getting a refund after 2 systems had exhibited a strange behavior which I could not resolve. The machine[s] would start up on their own at random intervals even after being properly shut down. The machine was running Windows 7 [pre-installed]. I had even checked everything that could have even remotely be causing it including bios settings and system settings too. I'm no stranger to the workings of a computer. Even the system manufacturer's tech support couldn't figure it out, so now I'm looking into building my own box as well!! Maybe i'll have better luck!!

spherical
02-08-2014, 03:56 AM
GPU is outside current budget of $1500 for the 4930 system will need to get 660 in a few weeks. maybe I can cut the ram down to 16GB to free up cash for the AX1200, but the goal is to have a fully running base system and add to it over the next few months. Thank for all the input guys.

Ah, got it. Budgets are sometimes a pain. OK, here's the plan, then:


Don't get the 660 yet, but plan for it.
Save the $$ on the case by getting a 650D. You'll not run out of room, trust me.
Get the RAM you will ultimately be using. If it's 32GB, get it as a matched set, often times called a "Kit". You can roll the dice and add to existing RAM but it's not guaranteed to run properly, as the matched sticks are all tested and certified to work together.

Slartibartfast
02-08-2014, 04:45 AM
I'm happy with my 4770K BUT it needs a watercooler to run it full speed without frying!

Waves of light
02-08-2014, 07:29 AM
I recently went down the 4930K route. To me, the Haswell-Es are still a little way off. If you go down the Haswell 4770k route, it may not guarantee that you MB will be compatible with the new Haswell-E chip... and the chip's going to cost more than a i4930k anyway, for not a lot more speed, IMO.

CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K 3.4GHz 12MB (OC - 4.4Ghz)-
Mobo: Asus P9X79
GPU: Asus GTX580 1.5GB DirectCU II OC
RAM: Crucial Ballistix Tactical DDR3-1600Mhz 4x8GB
Power: Corsair Builder CX750M
SSD: Samsung 840 EVO 120Gb
HHD: WD 1TB Green
Cooling: Corsair H60

Total Cost - 970.22 (GPU from previous build)

Check out this thread for other builds: http://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?133251-11-5-s-BenchmarkMarbles-lws-share-your-machine-s-render-time-here/page9

Dot3
02-08-2014, 08:58 AM
Oddly enough the 650D is more than the 750D at newegg its listed at 179.99 and the 750D is 159.99

Ah, got it. Budgets are sometimes a pain. OK, here's the plan, then:


Don't get the 660 yet, but plan for it.
Save the $$ on the case by getting a 650D. You'll not run out of room, trust me.
Get the RAM you will ultimately be using. If it's 32GB, get it as a matched set, often times called a "Kit". You can roll the dice and add to existing RAM but it's not guaranteed to run properly, as the matched sticks are all tested and certified to work together.

spherical
02-08-2014, 07:40 PM
Oddly enough the 650D is more than the 750D at newegg its listed at 179.99 and the 750D is 159.99

Yes. You pay a $20 premium for the box not taking up so much room. :)

I haven't done an airflow analysis on the 750D but I have a thread (http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=117122) over on the Corsair forums on the set up that I found to be the best with boxes like the 650D.

There's also this thread (forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?138893-Building-a-new-PC-around-the-Intel-Core-i7-4930K-Ivy-Bridge-E-6-core-CPU) in here.

akademus
02-09-2014, 06:03 AM
I went with 4930K, didn't regret it, budget wise its a lot of power for 500$. Yes PSU should definitely be larger and get the 32GB of ram. What I did, I ordered my sistem with 16GB and upgraded recently with same two sticks of 8GB, so far so good, you might try that, no guaranties it will work, though. I have had issues with win 8 and 16GB ram, you cannot run LW and AE at the same time, it will always pop up asking to turn one off. Get the SSD, at least 250, you can run it on your old drive, and upgrade SSD 250 for some 180 plus memory 160 plus, save 100$ from before and add it to the rest to get the gtx 660. Get 2x8 ram if you plan to upgrade to 32, rather than 4x4. Also you can consider geting 3930 cpu, I think its a it cheaper but not far behind 4930 on specs.

Also, for the corsair cooling, you'll need two new fans, because stock ones are just too damn loud.

fazi69
02-09-2014, 05:08 PM
If I can add few cents .... Check http://www.coolermaster.com/cooling/cpu-liquid-cooler/nepton-280l/ instead of H100i and check this http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-r4-black-pearl instead of Corsair case. Fractal is nicer in my opinion and quieter.
Consider this PSU : http://www.bequiet.com/en/powersupply/303 ( very quiet and excellent quality )
For GPU consider Gigabyte one with Windforce3 cooling ( do not forget to hack drivers for quadro ones;-)

I will go with LGA2011 .... it has more future. It will be compatible with up to 10/12 core xeons from e5 1xxx series.
In few years there will be full ebay of them in decent prices.

ps. http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2752 review of Nepton 280L

andyhow
02-11-2014, 11:09 AM
Fractal looks good! I'm using Corsair Obsidian 650D. Crappy quality. The Front case fan died in less than a year. The front panel has 2 usb3 cables that clumsily connects to the back of the usb3 ports broke within 1.5 year. In my pov, Corsair has inferior quality products and that goes with their so-called performance rams too.

fazi69
02-11-2014, 11:18 AM
I just need add few tings .... I was wrong .... Nepton 280l do not fit in Fractal Design R4 with some boards and Nepton 280L itself is very loud with stock fans. Unbearable loud ... as it is h100i.
I have white Fractal Design Define R4 case and it is top quality.

Dot3
02-11-2014, 11:50 AM
its cool Ive decided to use the h60 from my other system

On other note I was able to wrangle $400 more dollars from the CEO(wife) and with your suggestions bought this:

ASUS P9X79 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS - needed a simple dependable board, didnt need wifi, bluetooth or dual lan

GIGABYTE GV-N760OC-4GD REV2.0 GeForce GTX 760 4GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 HDCP Ready Video Card - will need for iray and Turblence and octane when I buy them-4GB should come in handy

Corsair Obsidian 750D Black ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Just love this case tried to drop it but couldnt let go

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-16GBXL - Will surely upgrade but Im going to wait till I need it

2x Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive Setting up as Raid 0 for After Effects and Preimere work

Crucial M500 240GB SATA 2.5" 7mm (with 9.5mm adapter) Internal Solid State Drive CT240M500SSD1 - Simple Boot drive for now - Eventually will be a dedicated cache drive for Max, After effects and anything else which requires a cache and replaced by a Samsung SSD

CORSAIR AXi series AX860i 860W Digital ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular - Seven year warranty - 860w should be plenty for the near (2 years ) future

Intel Core i7-4930K Ivy Bridge-E 3.4GHz LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80633i74930K - 4960x too much for too little 4770k had me afraid not having enough horse power when I needed it sooooo 4930k it is

Will be cooled by h60 from previous build

Thank you all for your input and suggestions
There maybe pictures upon arrival


Total 1,910.14


I just need add few tings .... I was wrong .... Nepton 280l do not fit in Fractal Design R4 with some boards and Nepton 280L itself is very loud with stock fans. Unbearable loud ... as it is h100i.
I have white Fractal Design Define R4 case and it is top quality.

Waves of light
02-11-2014, 12:02 PM
We'll played... You will not be disappointed. For cooling with the h60, follow the link in my previous post, as this contains assistance and posts from spherical which made me rethink my fan and airflow setup, resulting in dramatic drops in idle and load temps.

spherical
02-11-2014, 03:38 PM
Fractal looks good! I'm using Corsair Obsidian 650D. Crappy quality. The Front case fan died in less than a year. The front panel has 2 usb3 cables that clumsily connects to the back of the usb3 ports broke within 1.5 year. In my pov, Corsair has inferior quality products and that goes with their so-called performance rams too.

None of this (knock wood) has been my experience; except of course for the USB cables from the front panel. Even then, those weren't a big deal. But, then, my stuff always lasts a long time. Get a USB3 motherboard header cable and swap out the front connectors.

zamakli
06-05-2018, 03:22 AM
I need help with a workstation build. It is used for Facebook, email and training that involves streaming videos. Already have a 1080p display. I'm not sure how I feel about going micro atx. I would like a mid size tower and want to be able to upgrade in the future. I have windows 10 from the free upgrade on my current computer so I think I will have to get a new copy.

tcoursey
06-05-2018, 11:43 AM
I'd buy a motherboard that will allow for future expansion as you say. Then budget as much as you can for the items you don't want to have to switch often. HDD's Then look at benchmark sites to see how much value you get for the money on speed for both GPU and CPU. I use these sites quite a bit... easy to add ram if you buy correct pairs for future with enough slots in mind. GPU is easy to switch out as well as CPU. So you could get it "running" but not where you want to be in 3 months with another $1,500. Good luck, have fun!

https://www.videocardbenchmark.net/
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/

zamakli
06-07-2018, 08:18 AM
So I have an issue. My friend asked for me to build him a PC for photo and video editing for about 1,000 euros or 1,200 dollars (yes, his work is legit and he works with a lot of models). I do know how to put together a pc, I do know a lot of parts, but like always I just can't choose. I really want it to be good. I am not sure when I should take budget option and when I should don't worry about good investment. So my head went with Intel immediately. It's not because I don't like AMD, it's just seems trustworthy to me, I would risk, if it was my build. My research showed that all Workstations for video and photo really need is powerful CPU and lots of RAM. Okay.

Greenlaw
06-07-2018, 10:38 AM
I have a somewhat related question.

Recently, I replaced my aging workstation with a mobile workstation. I like my new computer but I'm thinking of reviving the old one to use as a render box and mocap slave node. Anyway, the problem with my old computer (an 7- or 8-years-old i7,) was that the motherboard was dying so I'm going to need to replace that, and I'll probably wish to replace the processors, etc, with modern equivalents. I imagine with a new motherboard, my Windows license will become invalid, and I'll need to replace that too.

Sooo...should I bother? Or is it smarter (i.e., cheaper or at least comparable in price) to instead get a brand new machine with similar capability and modern parts? I don't really want to put a lot of money into this effort since I just bought a new computer.

Hmm...I may have answered my own question in writing this post, but I would still like to hear opinions from the more knowledegable users here.

Thanks in advance for any helpful answers.

ianr
08-19-2018, 07:20 AM
DOt3, New THREADRIPPERS see my link


https://forums.newtek.com/showthread.php?157870-THREADRIPPERS-4-UPGRADERS-announcement&p=1553075#post1553075

Kryslin
08-19-2018, 07:28 AM
Greenlaw :

I would look for a refurbished PC with the same (or close enough) performance than trying to upgrade an old processor / MB combination. I'm kind of in the same boat with my workstation, it's 6 years old, and I can't find a MB that will take the processor any more. So when I upgrade (Next Year, hopefully), it will be a rebuild.

You could pick up refurbished HP workstations (Single Xeon, 16GB) for $700 off of Newegg not all that long ago.

Nicolas Jordan
08-19-2018, 11:52 AM
I have had the 4930K for over 4 years now and it has been pretty good for what I do which up until now has been mostly Arch ViZ exteriors. I'm looking at getting a Threadripper 2990WX PC next. If I do it will end up being the most expensive PC I have owned. My first PC back in 2000 was an AMD Athlon K7-700 so since then I have always been a bit of an AMD fan boy I guess and I have only used Intel products when they made more sense. Now that Threadrippers are out that has really ignited my interest in AMD CPUs again. I opt for more cores and threads over single core performance myself whenever possible.

Greenlaw
08-19-2018, 01:40 PM
You could pick up refurbished HP workstations (Single Xeon, 16GB) for $700 off of Newegg not all that long ago.
Thanks! Yeah, that probably makes more sense.

I priced parts and barebones systems after I posted that, but nothing beats the deal you mentioned above. If I got something like that, I could salvage my graphics card, SSDs, USB 3 cards, and be better off without breaking the bank.