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Nicolas Jordan
01-21-2014, 06:10 AM
Thought I would post this in case anyone is looking for this kind of job. I saw it on the news last night.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1093851/cinesite-to-open-an-office-in-m

djwaterman
01-21-2014, 06:27 AM
Exciting for locals, yet seems to be another government subsidized initiative, the very thing some have credited to destroying the industry, and they have a strong argument.

m.d.
01-21-2014, 01:54 PM
destroyed the US industry...kickstarted canada's and others

the argument may have some merit, but the US subsidizes much bigger things.....like farming...$20 billion a year
and these aren't just to poor farmers

2.6% of the US farms account for 75% of total profits....and they receive the same proportionate subsidies as the rest of the little guys...totally un-needed

all other countries have had to follow suit to keep up...the EU spent $57 billion euro on ag subsidies last year alone
the effect has inflated the price of food worldwide....

The truth is all Canadian TV and film is heavily subsidized, at all stages of production.
I can for instance get approx 35-50% of production costs covered by various provincial and federal agencies before I tap into the National Film Board...or other production funds......which has led to an inferior product

With US film and TV production....if the product is no good, it dies by virtue of lack of funds, i.e. not commercially viable...free market natural selection

Within Canada and others....even terrible products can continue on...because they will always be guaranteed a small portion of taxpayer money whether the production is good or not, all you have to do is know someone that can jump through the hoops to get production funding.

I have benefited from this funding personally, and while I disagree with the government handouts...that's just the way the system is....especially in Canada...and its entrenched very deeply.

It would be nice to change the system, but where do you start....can the US stop it's 20 billion a year ag subsidy? Would other countries be able to take the political heat for doing the same...
VFX is just a very very small part of the whole.

Not to dismiss your points....I am sure in the long run subsidies can cause the ruin of the industry....
But hey...that's what taxpayers are for :)

SBowie
01-21-2014, 02:45 PM
The truth is all Canadian TV and film is heavily subsidized, at all stages of production.Subsidies of one sort or another are everywhere, camouflaged in many different ways. For example, many US cities and states (including San Antonio) recently tried to outdo each other's 'incentives' to lure Boeing to relocate a plant in their locale when the company was embroiled in a battle with the union. In the end, they stayed put in Washington state. Why? According to one article "More than 20 other states are also trying to lure the commercial jet business out of Seattle. But Washington State has upped the ante considerably pledging $9 billion in tax breaks to Boeing."

m.d.
01-21-2014, 10:47 PM
ya...you could probably cite a thousand examples if you researched it...
the system (all industrialized countries) has gotten so muddy there is no way to fix it at this point

SBowie
01-22-2014, 07:11 AM
the system (all industrialized countries) has gotten so muddy there is no way to fix it at this pointIn this sort of thing, as really most things political, I find it interesting how language is used to portray things either negatively or positively.

What is tantamount to the same mechanism is often depicted by those of different political persuasions or national backgrounds as a 'bribe' when third-world countries are involved, 'socialism' when 'developed' nations other than one's own are doing it, mere 'incentives' or 'concessions' when it's your own tribe, 'kickback' or 'pork-barrelling' when it's your local political opponent. I wonder if the political scene would be less polarized (and paralyzed) if spin and hyperbole suddenly vanished ...

mikala
01-22-2014, 10:25 AM
I just wish they would have dropped their dollars in Vancouver!
Sadly Quebec has better "incentives" than BC. :)

SBowie
01-22-2014, 10:45 AM
Les Quebecois are notable pragmatists. :)

mikala
01-22-2014, 10:46 AM
Oui Oui monsewer! :)

Tranimatronic
01-22-2014, 11:11 AM
mikala - are you looking for work in Vancouver right now?
Send me a pm if you are (or anyone else for that matter)
Cheers
T

Nicolas Jordan
01-22-2014, 11:47 AM
Montreal already has many jobs in 3D Graphics/Gaming including Ubisoft with 1800 employees and EA with about 800 people including their mobile gaming division. The industry seems healthy enough in Montreal which makes me wonder why the government would bother throwing more money at it.

Montreal was also the home of the Softimage offices before Autodesk bought it.

mikala
01-22-2014, 11:55 AM
Because they have the dollars to do it and or realize the funds having these businesses turn around in the local economies brings in.
They figured, if memory serves, that the industry was producing 1 billion in money spent around the province of BC. Not going to be that with film headed east though.
So invest and more money gets spread around your province.