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prometheus
12-12-2013, 10:57 AM
Anyone seen the movie yet?
and your thoughts about it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SRizeR4MmU

Michael

cresshead
12-12-2013, 11:03 AM
was 'meh'... it's a bootcamp movie set in space...honestly really disappointing.

jeric_synergy
12-12-2013, 11:05 AM
Did they soft-sell the whole "genocide with a get out of jail free card" aspect?

wesleycorgi
12-12-2013, 12:50 PM
I recently read both Ender's Game and Speaker for the Dead, as did my kids. I liked it; it's about what I expected. My kids didn't like the movie as much — they thought it cut too much out.

A lot of the characters were miscast, including Harrison Ford and the kid who played Bonzo. Ender himself was much too old (but a good actor).

They didn't soft-sell the genocide aspect, but for some reason, they didn't use the term "Bugger" ever.

Danner
12-12-2013, 01:05 PM
I had a good time with it. The story flows nicely, the FX are well done and it raises some interesting moral issues.

erikals
12-12-2013, 01:11 PM
i liked it, i wasn't like Wow!... but i liked it... :]

jeric_synergy
12-12-2013, 09:38 PM
They didn't soft-sell the genocide aspect, but for some reason, they didn't use the term "Bugger" ever.
Not exactly a surprise. IMO, it didn't even work in the book (try saying it out loud), and of course the hilarity in UK theaters would have been intense.


For the king of "words that don't work", read Larry Niven: all his neologisms suck.

BeeVee
12-13-2013, 06:41 AM
I thought they did what they could with it. The ridiculously shortened timescale was necessary for various reasons, not least of which is not being able to spend six years making the film so Asa Butterfield grows up at the same time as Ender did in the books. Also glad they didn't include Demosthenes and Locke, which would look too dated today, let alone in the footcha. That being said, if you haven't read the book, the fact that so much stuff is skipped makes the film seem disjointed as it jumps from set-piece to set-piece with little explanation. I'd still give it a 3/5 for a good attempt.

B

wesleycorgi
12-13-2013, 07:09 AM
Also glad they didn't include Demosthenes and Locke, which would look too dated today, let alone in the footcha. That being said, if you haven't read the book, the fact that so much stuff is skipped makes the film seem disjointed as it jumps from set-piece to set-piece with little explanation.

Removing those characters is what bothered my kids most, because they were intrigued by their manipulations and at their age. I think it was right to remove from the movie, but the storyline continues to be intriguing to me because of the influence of social media in our society today. Enders was written 25-30 years ago?

BeeVee
12-13-2013, 07:34 AM
1985. Interesting to note although L&D's communication methods seem outdated, he was on the money with the tablets the students have. L&D do make for an interesting aside, particularly given their ages as you say, but don't really add to the story overly. I guess if there is a sequel made then we'll see more of Peter and Valentine.

B

jeric_synergy
12-13-2013, 10:05 AM
I read the SERIALIZED version in Analog-- the inflated novel was ok, for an inflation, but I'm pretty sure the original serialization did not have Locke & Demosthenes.

It's pretty easy for an author to have characters of ANY age spout dialog that seems precocious, cuz they are figments, or more pithily in this case, sock-puppets. I never bought the family dynamic in EG.

sublimationman
12-13-2013, 02:21 PM
It was just OK, but I thought the ending was disappointing. Friend that went with me liked the ending.

Doctor49152
12-13-2013, 03:23 PM
I don't -totally- agree with the boot-camp in space feeling. It was partly that yes. But I saw it more as the character of Ender learning the strategy to survive and use the other characters in that goal. There was a scene where he was asked to explain a complex maneuver to decelerate around a planet. While all the other kids were trying to show they were smarter than everyone else in the class Ender said 'I think characters x and y have a better understanding' which is what a good commander does. Removes his ego from the equation. Ender learned how to motivate the team that he selected in whatever ways they needed. He even learned to use their weaknesses as assets. He also learned that horrible lesson about acceptable losses but still winning in the end.

When I look at it as a character growth story instead of a war-action story I found I enjoyed it on another level.

The ending was disappointing. It was too sudden and didn't fit with any common use of assets by the military. But I think they also knew there would never be a sequel.

wesleycorgi
12-14-2013, 07:21 AM
1985. Interesting to note although L&D's communication methods seem outdated, he was on the money with the tablets the students have. L&D do make for an interesting aside, particularly given their ages as you say, but don't really add to the story overly. I guess if there is a sequel made then we'll see more of Peter and Valentine.

B

From what I've read from the author, Card had the Speaker for the Dead idea before Enders Game. At a later date he decided to make Ender the Speaker. So to give birth to the Speaker, he had to write/rewrite Enders Game into novel form. Based on Jeric's comment that L&D were not in the original, it makes a little more sense to me --- because that plot line does seem forced. But without that wrinkle, there wouldn't be the dozen or so of Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow sequels.

jeric_synergy
12-14-2013, 01:34 PM
Note I said "pretty sure", so maybe they're in there.

I always felt the L&D thing was a ridiculously transparent didactic technique. The whole "Peter can get away with ANYthing" seems a little ridiculous, given that Ender is the g.d. expected saviour of mankind.

The older I get, the less I like the book, and I'm certainly soured on OSC as a human being.

roboman
12-14-2013, 04:48 PM
The story line in the book seemed forced and missing bits, but I liked it. The movie seemed to take that feeling a few steps further, but I mostly went for the FX. I thought the FX were great and even more so, since they never screamed 'look at me, I'm a high dollar FX', they were just there as part of the story.

prometheus
12-15-2013, 06:55 AM
Thankīs for all the feedback guys, If I were to see any movie at all this year, or to levitate towards the future and the year to come, It will probably be spent on Gravity instead, based on some rumours.

Michael

ianr
12-15-2013, 09:10 AM
Hi Prometheus,
They ain't Rumors about 'Gravity' it's CGi is very good
& done in ARNOLD, story line is belivable ,and the beats
are clever,very brave in the middle. Maybe the best movie
this year, it's an investment to see what can be done in
ARNOLD now for us wavers.

BigHache
12-15-2013, 09:20 AM
+1 for "Gravity". I saw it a few weeks ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. Every shot was absolutely stunning, and to boot the story carried everything.

prometheus
12-15-2013, 09:40 PM
When I first saw the trailer of gravity, it wasnīt that eyecatching...and hard to tell what the story was all about, and then I got myself a big laugh, cause Sandra bullock
frustrated in panic moaned, and I thought it sounded something else than panic moaning:) o well..thatīs me, a nice lady she is.. charming and has indeed performed well
on her latest movies.

Michael

BeeVee
12-16-2013, 03:27 AM
Hej Michael,

Definitely go and see Gravity on the biggest screen you can find, in 3D. I have the feeling that it will not be as engaging or impressive once it hits Blu-Ray (I'll still get it of course... ;))

B

prometheus
12-16-2013, 03:52 AM
Hej Michael,

Definitely go and see Gravity on the biggest screen you can find, in 3D. I have the feeling that it will not be as engaging or impressive once it hits Blu-Ray (I'll still get it of course... ;))

B

Thanks, so many now that says itīs worthwile, so if thereīs one movie to see..I think it will be it, I also saw a review from a guy that wasnīt particular fond of 3d stereographic movies, and he said..if you should see something 3d, this is it...so it is apparently making the most of it I guess, Problems might be to get relatives to come along and watch it, since some of them have issues with the eyes and ust canīt see it in 3d at all.

Michael

Netvudu
12-17-2013, 10:23 AM
Iīm not too fond of stereocopic either, but Gravity in 3D is one of the most amazing things Iīve ever experienced in a theater.
When I saw Avatar in 3D it was like "meh, I still donīt like stereoscopic", but Gravity has changed the game for me.
Iīm sorry for The hobbit 2 because Gravity is winning hands down this yearīs VFX Oscar.

octopus2000
12-30-2013, 01:04 AM
i loved it

i love space battles

the ending was a bit confusing though, why would ender try and save the ant queen? overall the movie was fun.

wesleycorgi
12-30-2013, 04:15 AM
why would ender try and save the ant queen? overall the movie was fun.
<spoiler alert>Can't remember now exactly what is shown in the ending of the movie. In the book, the queen can psychicly talk to Ender and shows him that the original war was a mistake. The buggers considered humans as non-sentient beings that could be slaughtered (much like we kill ants) in their quest to inhabit other planets for colonization. After the first war, they understand that humans are thinking/feeling beings, but humans/buggers don't have a way to communicate. Subsequent hostilities is initiated by humans because humans were never going to let the slaughter happen again. Uimately the fight is brought to the bugger home world.

When Ender sees that he has enacted genocide on a whole alien race, he makes it his life's mission to revive the hive.</spoiler alert>

octopus2000
12-31-2013, 11:51 AM
<spoiler alert>Can't remember now exactly what is shown in the ending of the movie. In the book, the queen can psychicly talk to Ender and shows him that the original war was a mistake. The buggers considered humans as non-sentient beings that could be slaughtered (much like we kill ants) in their quest to inhabit other planets for colonization. After the first war, they understand that humans are thinking/feeling beings, but humans/buggers don't have a way to communicate. Subsequent hostilities is initiated by humans because humans were never going to let the slaughter happen again. Uimately the fight is brought to the bugger home world.

When Ender sees that he has enacted genocide on a whole alien race, he makes it his life's mission to revive the hive.</spoiler alert>

thanks for explaining the ending. i just hope ender doesn't help the ants reinvade earth.