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robertoortiz
05-08-2013, 01:27 PM
Hey guys,
I am considering investing into the fx program Hitfilm,
I plan to use it for personal projects and I do have some questions.

How stable is it?
How good are its keying capabilities?
(I use Keylight A LOT)

What limitations does it have?
And how does it compare to AE?

Thanks!

-R

Red_Oddity
05-08-2013, 05:17 PM
No idea, but i'm going to give the trial a go, see how it handles some of our edits and shots (great test to see how it handles odd codecs and how well it plays with EDL/XML exports)

My only concern is that it seems very much geared toward the hobby crowd (if i read the forums, there seems to be no XML support, no EXR support (so probably high bit depth / float support) and worst of all, no scripting / python support, meaning it probably won't play nice in pipelines.)

Surrealist.
05-08-2013, 06:03 PM
Never used it but there is tight integration with Vegas:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/hitfilm_vegas_movie_studio_integration?nebo=1

One of the things I am disappointed with Sony about. They are partnering and integrating with tools that in my opinion don't match up to the quality of Vegas. But since AE is not going to be an option for them, I suppose you have Hitfilm.

Shawn Farrell
05-14-2013, 08:50 PM
I have used HitFilm 2 Ultimate and really loved it...

Megalodon2.0
05-14-2013, 08:57 PM
It looks like it has allot of potential.

It would be nice if it could load AE files, but that's probably completely out of the question.

Still, it has some nice qualities - may have to give the demo a shot.

djwaterman
05-15-2013, 01:46 AM
I'm an AE user and love AE, but Hitfilm looks like its great for the person who just wants to make their own stuff, and the 3D navigation looks to be superior to AE, it has a nice looking particle system. For shooting low budget stuff, doing post effects and green screen, plus it's an editor as well. I'd go for it, it's so cheap.

erikals
05-15-2013, 02:55 AM
It looks like it has a lot of potential.

absolutely.

not sure what to say about the lack of scripting, but the lack of plugins is kind of a minus.
will other plugin developers like RevisionFX add support for Hitfilm in the future?

it's kinda like a combination of Premiere and After Effects, something i really love.
Will definetly check out Hitfilm.

as for greenscreen, not sure, haven't used it all that much, looks to work alright though.
4 tutorials on it here, seems easy enough, though not sure about the quality / complexity.
http://hitfilm.com/video-tutorials

the ability to import 3D models directly is pretty cool.

true, no layered exr, but neither has AE or Vegas...
Hitfilm looks much better than Vegas overall i think (minus the lack of revisionfx plugins)


+ you can't beat the price :]

erikals
05-15-2013, 03:09 AM
looks good >


http://youtu.be/WKu6usF9RF4

Darth Mole
05-15-2013, 04:12 AM
I don't know if anyone has noticed, but there's Kickstarter funding for the Mac version of the app. However, if you pledge $250 (and it makes its target), you'll get a license for both Mac and PC versions. So, basically, pledge now and get HitFilm Ultimate for $149 less than the current asking price of $399 - plus some freebies and the warm glow of a good deed done.

The only downside is that you may have to wait until November of this year to get your app - but maybe if you mail FXhome they'll let you have the PC version early.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fxhome/hitfilm-for-mac

erikals
05-15-2013, 06:22 AM
$250 http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif
thanks, will have a look...

allabulle
05-15-2013, 10:02 AM
That's a good idea. I'll try to remember to write that e-mail. Thanks!

robertoortiz
05-15-2013, 08:20 PM
I just found out that Hitfilm supports .3ds, .obj and .lwo. natively!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG4wTsEC3Vo
Cool!
-R

Darth Mole
05-16-2013, 01:11 AM
This things is way ahead of Element 3D. It's really impressive! I do hope they reach their Kickstarter target.

erikals
05-16-2013, 02:15 AM
didn't know, but Ultimate has some Mocha... >


http://youtu.be/tYKSw2rj_QQ

Megalodon2.0
05-16-2013, 02:21 AM
Well, it looks that Hitfilm 2 Ultimate has helped me to decide to upgrade to the Sony Production Suite instead of just upgrading Vegas Pro.

This program is REALLY beginning to look good. I just hope that they get support for the Open EXR format. Once they have that, I'll be quite happy. :thumbsup:

It may not be an Adobe AfterFX replacement YET, but I believe it will be in short order.

erikals
05-16-2013, 02:24 AM
a couple of HitFilm lacks >

-expressions
-ability to pre-compose
-powerful text animation
-3rd party plugins


...a cool feature, how 3D integrates with 2D >
http://youtu.be/aU9tllgzsuE#t=1m29s

http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/aU9tllgzsuE/hqdefault.jpg

dee
05-16-2013, 04:11 AM
-ability to pre-compose

You can, see Composite Shot.
http://hitfilm.com/reference/index.html?creating_composite_shots.htm

erikals
05-16-2013, 04:42 AM
cool http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif thanks, didn't know http://forums.cgsociety.org/images/smilies/arteest.gif

geo_n
05-17-2013, 12:49 AM
No exr no deal. Maybe next version.
The devs are answering questions at Lux forum though.

erikals
05-17-2013, 12:53 AM
why do you have to have exr though, can't you use another alternative format instead?
are you thinking of exr or multi-layered exr...?

just saw exr is on their list >
http://community.hitfilm.com/index.php?/topic/573-the-wishlist-feature-requests-and-suggestions/page-34#entry29835

geo_n
05-17-2013, 06:50 AM
Because I need the buffers in exr. I don't render in png, tga anymore.
I think someone at Lux said exr support has been in that request list for more than 2 years. So goodluck.

erikals
05-17-2013, 07:31 AM
yeah, well, wrote a request on it.

i'll probably smack together a solution with AHK or similar, but i can see how the lack of multi-layered exr is a big minus.
another minus i found was the Linear Color Space lack > http://community.hitfilm.com/index.php?/topic/573-the-wishlist-feature-requests-and-suggestions/page-34#entry29848

geo_n
05-17-2013, 12:18 PM
yeah, well, wrote a request on it.

i'll probably smack together a solution with AHK or similar, but i can see how the lack of multi-layered exr is a big minus.
another minus i found was the Linear Color Space lack > http://community.hitfilm.com/index.php?/topic/573-the-wishlist-feature-requests-and-suggestions/page-34#entry29848

solution with autohotkey? for exr?

erikals
05-17-2013, 08:27 PM
you could make a AHK script, but easier would be to use default names and a standard project file.

you would then clone the standard project file each time you wanted a new project...
then, no need to do things manually / twice...

geo_n
05-17-2013, 08:53 PM
cloning a project = exr with buffers?

erikals
05-18-2013, 04:25 AM
pretty much,

instead of launching a Layout shortcut, you launch a locked pre-made Layout scene shortcut.
this scene has the buffers already set up.
since the scene is locked, Layout will ask you to save the scene with your name of choice, leaving the original scene safe.
the scene, which has buffers already set up, will save the .png files to a specified directory.

then, launching a pre-made locked HitFilm scene will import these layers correctly "automatically"
when done editing in HitFilm, the scene can be saved with your name of choice.
a AHK function will then move the files to a new directory.

it might sound advanced, but it should take just a couple of seconds...

-launch Layout scene
-save scene
-render
-launch HitFilm scene
-save scene
-render
-launch AHK script

done.

another good thing about this is that it lets you have a customized Layout scene.

Tobian
05-18-2013, 06:21 AM
Hitfilm does look sweet, it has to be said, but yes, the lack of real float support is a bit of a killer for me. It's primarily *what* I use AE for (PS has ****** float support). If they take this seriously, though, and listen to these feature requests, they could have a killer product on their hands, because so many are disenfranchised with Adobe right now.

I see their Mac fund-raiser is really going well, I hope they make it!

geo_n
05-18-2013, 06:38 AM
pretty much,

instead of launching a Layout shortcut, you launch a locked pre-made Layout scene shortcut.
this scene has the buffers already set up.
since the scene is locked, Layout will ask you to save the scene with your name of choice, leaving the original scene safe.
the scene, which has buffers already set up, will save the .png files to a specified directory.

then, launching a pre-made locked HitFilm scene will import these layers correctly "automatically"
when done editing in HitFilm, the scene can be saved with your name of choice.
a AHK function will then move the files to a new directory.

it might sound advanced, but it should take just a couple of seconds...

-launch Layout scene
-save scene
-render
-launch HitFilm scene
-save scene
-render
-launch AHK script

done.



another good thing about this is that it lets you have a customized Layout scene.


Ah it doesn't really address the lack of exr and all its benefits. It just automates moving, copying rendered png files. Very dangerous in a studio environment working on multiple projects and its corresponding files.
I think I'll wait for Hitfilm to actually support exr before jumping on the bandwagon. No alternative for AE as of yet.

Tobian
05-18-2013, 06:44 AM
The 'layered' thing is really a non-issue for me as I mostly render single frames, and just do it all correct in one buffer. The lack of float however...

erikals
05-18-2013, 12:56 PM
hm, what is float support... ?

jwiede
05-18-2013, 01:12 PM
hm, what is float support... ?
HDR color formats, where floats represent RGB values, I'm guessing.

erikals
05-18-2013, 02:07 PM
hm, sounds like 32bit... (?) i tried to goggle it, but didn't find much info.

geo_n
05-18-2013, 11:08 PM
hitfilm supports the following formats
http://www.gotomkv.com/hitfilm-ultimate-supported-import-files/

MSherak
05-20-2013, 04:58 AM
Hey guys,
I am considering investing into the fx program Hitfilm,
I plan to use it for personal projects and I do have some questions.

How stable is it?
How good are its keying capabilities?
(I use Keylight A LOT)

What limitations does it have?
And how does it compare to AE?

Thanks!

-R


Really can't compare it to AE since it looks like HitFilm is a composite package with a little AE mixed in. You would want to compare it to Premiere. AE you can kinda composite, but no where near a real non-linear edit package. Don't look to AE if you are doing a ton of video. If you want a composite package with a little bit of effects abilities then I think HitFilm might be the better package to get.

djwaterman
05-20-2013, 05:57 AM
AE is a compositing application, that is what it is, it was never an editor ( however you can edit on it if you really need to). As a compositor it is very powerful with a lot of 3rd party plugins available. To say that with AE you can "Kinda composite" is quite misleading because it is a compositor before its anything else.

Just from observation of Hitfilm's tutorials, the UI is heavily derived from the AE's UI, so I think you can compare the two packages, however HF delivers more things in the one place, but for pure effects or motion graphics work AE offers more flexibility, but let's be realistic here, HF sells for the same price as some of AE's 3rd party plugins, I think it's amazing really, I really want to have a play on it at some time.

Verlon
05-21-2013, 11:16 PM
Hitfilm grew out of a product series that started with AlamDV that was used to add things like light sabers and laser blasts to old DV footage. From there, the product line grew into Effects Lab and Composite Lab. Effects Lab was adding things like Light sabres, laser blasts, muzzle flashes, smoke, and other effects. Composite lab was focused on greenscreen work. These were merged into Vision Lab.

That was updated into Hitfilm.

So I would say it is very much more a competitor to AE than to Premier. It was built to add effects first, and the editor side is more recent.

erikals
05-27-2013, 03:41 PM
http://www.cuttocreate.com/wp-content/themes/on-demand/images/client_logos/kickstarter-logo.png
looks like HitFilm for Mac will become a reality... http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/fxhome/hitfilm-for-mac

dsol
05-28-2013, 07:09 AM
As someone who's invested a lot of cash in After Effects and plugins over the years (but has also pledged for the Mac version of HitFilm!) - I've been going through all the features of Hitfilm vs. After Effects.

Biggest omissions from HitFilm so far:

3rd Party plugins (I assume there's no SDK for external developers yet)
Optical Flow analysis of video - for slo-mo/motionblur effects (After Effects has The Foundry's Furnace tech baked in - though limited compared to NukeX)
Scripting and Expressions - Here's hoping Python (preferably) or ECMA-262 (javascript) see some love. Or better still, build it on SWIG bindings, so you can use whatever language you want (eg. .NET)
EXR support - it only supports 8 and 16bpp colour processing at the moment (no 32bit float). So even if you could import EXR's, the benefits would be very limited. Which leads on to....
Linear Workflow - massively improves the realism of lighting effects in shots. No support yet.
batch rendering - no equivalent of After Effects render queue manager, and no background rendering AFAIK. In mitigation, the majority of the effects in HitFilm are GPU accelerated, so render times should be quite manageable.
XML import and export - for sharing edits/shots with other applications

Still, this is ludicrously good software for the price. HitFilm 3 will hopefully add some of these features. The most important - in my eyes are the 3rd Party SDK, Scripting and 32bpp rendering (and import/export). And if FXHome want to one-up After Effects, if 32bpp rendering is added, let's hope they make it a per-shot setting. It's not always needed, and sometimes makes working with blending modes more complicated. After Effects only allows you to apply it as a blanket setting across the whole project!

PabloMack
08-14-2013, 02:22 PM
I just ordered Hitfilm Ultimate. Is it obvious that I am drooling on my shirt?

erikals
08-14-2013, 02:35 PM
Congrats Mister! http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif

Hey, come back here and tells us what you liked / disliked... http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/047.gif

Ryan Roye
08-14-2013, 03:23 PM
Congrats Mister! http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/smile.gif

Hey, come back here and tells us what you liked / disliked... http://erikalstad.com/backup/misc.php_files/047.gif

I second this, as I am likely to purchase hitfilm at some point. Also, thanks Dsol for the input! None of those are deal breakers from my standpoint, but those kinds of limitations are important to be aware of regardless.