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Simon-S
09-26-2012, 01:02 AM
Hi,

I'm eagerly awaiting the 11.5 update as I have a project that will hopefully make full use of the new bullet cloth fx stuff, and genoma too!

I'm just wondering how long I'll have to wait until the update? I know its supposed to be Q4 but does anyone know more than that? This month, next month?

Any info would be gladly received as the release date will seriously affect how I tackle this project.

Cheers.

DogBoy
09-26-2012, 01:24 AM
Nothing is known on release dates.

OnlineRender
09-26-2012, 01:24 AM
sorry mate no idea ... love your website btw!

Simon-S
09-26-2012, 01:37 AM
sorry mate no idea ... love your website btw!

He he thanks for you kind words...its about time I updated it, I've been so busy I haven't added anything for 3 years.

AbstractTech3D
09-26-2012, 02:47 AM
… also eagerly awaiting… the mind blowing AE integration especially!

starbase1
09-26-2012, 04:15 AM
Well, if they are saying Q4 its unlikely to be this month, as September is in Q3!

kopperdrake
09-26-2012, 04:31 AM
Aye - that should be a boon!

Nice work Simon - see you're very local to us!

Bill Carey
09-26-2012, 07:39 AM
Q4 probably means February, which is fine. Finish it.

Simon-S
09-26-2012, 08:39 AM
Aye - that should be a boon!

Nice work Simon - see you're very local to us!

Back at you, very cool work indeed. Yeah, you're just down the road from me...give me a shout if you're ever in need of a freelancer ;)

Cheers.

kopperdrake
09-26-2012, 10:16 AM
I'll bear it in mind, though we're probably not much larger than you! ;)

hrgiger
09-26-2012, 01:05 PM
Definately between now and the end of December. Quite possibly after that.

50one
09-26-2012, 01:17 PM
Definately between now and the end of December. Quite possibly after that.

You guys are aware that you can get an early build from your account page??

Hieron
09-26-2012, 01:54 PM
You guys are aware that you can get an early build from your account page??

I'm guessing you are in the beta? .....

50one
09-26-2012, 01:56 PM
I'm guessing you are in the beta? .....

Nah, just being cruel & evil...:) Waiting in-line just like everyone else...:)

starbase1
09-26-2012, 01:56 PM
Come on guys, lets be scientific about this.
We can use past performance as a reasonable indicator of future performance, easy.

Now, when did they say the linux edition of CORE would come out?

Red_Oddity
09-26-2012, 01:59 PM
A nightly build system wouldn't be a bad idea, when i see how many bugs are fixed and features added to VRay and Houdini every week, i wonder why not every company does something like that.

Hieron
09-26-2012, 02:00 PM
Nah, just being cruel & evil...:) Waiting in-line just like everyone else...:)

haha.. nice one. you did make me look :)

Hail
09-26-2012, 04:27 PM
come on guys, lets be scientific about this.
We can use past performance as a reasonable indicator of future performance, easy.

Now, when did they say the linux edition of core would come out?

core?:D

ncr100
09-26-2012, 07:03 PM
I speculate 11.5 will be complete within four weeks (by November 1) given:

* the stability of what was shown on the videos
* the rigidity and discipline avoiding "feature-creep (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep)" the 3d-group's demonstrated recently

:)

Philbert
09-26-2012, 10:21 PM
My guess is Dec. 31st, which happens to be a Monday.

ShadowMystic
09-27-2012, 01:16 AM
I can't wait to get my hands on GoAE.

Philbert
09-27-2012, 09:54 AM
I can't wait to get my hands on GoAE.

Just as I've started learning Nuke because that's what one of my big clients uses.

rcallicotte
09-28-2012, 10:13 AM
I predict by this time next year we will be using 11.5. :angel:

JamesCurtis
09-29-2012, 09:28 AM
I predict by this time next year we will be using 11.5. :angel:

Yeah, "Using it". Well that still means we could have it anytime BEFORE that time - like January or February.

goakes
09-29-2012, 09:38 AM
Just trying to get up to speed on AE so that I have someplace to go when I get GoAE.

ShadowMystic
09-29-2012, 12:25 PM
Just trying to get up to speed on AE so that I have someplace to go when I get GoAE.

http://www.videocopilot.net/

Arguably the number 1 place to learn AE

Verlon
09-29-2012, 10:32 PM
December 21, 2012 is my guess. Releasing a product in the announced quarter will then cause the Mayan end of the world thing to happen. Knowing my luck, it will probably be bug-free and completely stable, too.

Hail
10-06-2012, 05:05 AM
Geez... I ve become soo impatient waiting
I'd rather have it now with the roaches to play with than wait forever. :D
Perhaps an open beta at this stage would be relieving.
Now would you throw us a bone NT? ;)

v1u1ant
10-06-2012, 10:56 AM
Good things come to those who wait.....

fablefox
10-06-2012, 11:17 PM
Good things come to those who wait.....

Zynga and Facebook stock owner disagrees :-)

v1u1ant
10-07-2012, 09:22 AM
Zynga and Facebook stock owner disagrees :-)

I believe these are only transient ;)

fablefox
10-08-2012, 01:34 AM
I believe these are only transient ;)

I'm not quite sure. High level exec is abandoning Zynga left and right. EA also is suing them at the moment, and that alone could lead them to bankruptcy. Can't say much about facebook, but I don't remember any social website that have a "second coming". AIM? MySpace? Friendster? Nope.

I wish to be on topic now, but there is nothing to talk about LW 11.5 release date :-)

Hail
10-08-2012, 02:12 AM
I ll suggest they let out the roaches and mop them up later :) Like they did with lw11

erikals
10-08-2012, 08:10 AM
release date is most likely december / january according to NT statements at siggraph.

rcallicotte
10-08-2012, 08:43 AM
Thanks. It's good to hear something reliable.


release date is most likely december / january according to NT statements at siggraph.

Philbert
10-08-2012, 10:09 AM
Well they said Q4. I think with any business it generally means the end of a quarter they mention, or possibly a little after.

rcallicotte
10-08-2012, 10:21 AM
...and I can wait even if it isn't. I want it to work well.



Well they said Q4. I think with any business it generally means the end of a quarter they mention, or possibly a little after.

goakes
10-08-2012, 12:28 PM
Thanks ShadowMystic for the link, it is a very good source.

Silkrooster
10-09-2012, 01:07 AM
I can't wait for the next version either, but if I had a choice, I would rather wait a bit just to make sure the code is rock solid. No point in rushing it out the door if it crashes for what ever reason.

Hail
10-19-2012, 11:48 AM
I have a strong feeling something good is going to happen on 11 11 12 :D

erikals
10-19-2012, 11:58 AM
why not 12 12 12 ? :]

v1u1ant
10-19-2012, 02:08 PM
..isnt the world set to explode on 12 12 12? :/

erikals
10-19-2012, 02:14 PM
no...

implode...

zapper1998
10-19-2012, 02:19 PM
..isnt the world set to explode on 12 12 12? :/

no it will just go ..... "Pooooooooofffffffff"

Cryonic
10-19-2012, 02:38 PM
..isnt the world set to explode on 12 12 12? :/

The sixth age is set to begin after 12 21 12

erikals
10-19-2012, 02:58 PM
no it will just go ..... "Pooooooooofffffffff"

like > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vTTmPBLVuc

sandman300
10-19-2012, 03:06 PM
11/11/11 is a Sunday

Snosrap
10-19-2012, 03:36 PM
How about Monday 11-5.

Verlon
10-19-2012, 06:29 PM
Ok just got the newsletter and Lightwave 11.5 has won some award(s). How can it do that if it isn't even out yet? I cry foul. Bring on the updates already ;)

Philbert
10-19-2012, 06:52 PM
It was shown at Siggraph it could certainly win a best of show type award.

erikals
10-19-2012, 07:46 PM
or, they might have test-ran it in their office :] ...maybe...

jwiede
10-21-2012, 02:41 PM
Ok just got the newsletter and Lightwave 11.5 has won some award(s). How can it do that if it isn't even out yet? I cry foul. Bring on the updates already ;)
Well, the award in question, CGW's "Silver Edge Award" is for "best in show" at SIGGRAPH 2012, and Newtek put a lot of energy and effort into their SIGGRAPH presentation of Lightwave 11.5. Here's the full list of winners:


SIGGRAPH 2012 Silver Edge Award Winners


Maxon’s Cinema 4D Release 14

Side Effects Software’s Houdini 12

NewTek’s LightWave 11.5

AMD’s FirePro W cards

Canon’s MR (Mixed Reality)

Christie’s 3D projection technology


Honorable Mentions


TeamUp’s Multi-Optics renderer

Motion Analysis’ Raptor-12

Fabric Engine’s Creation Platform

See here (http://www.cgw.com/Press-Center/Siggraph/2012/CGW-Announces-SIGGRAPH-2012-Silver-Edge-Awards.aspx) for more details from CGW themselves about what the awards are about, the criteria used, and so forth.

Hail
10-23-2012, 05:20 AM
why not 12 12 12 ? :]

Doesnt 12 12 12 seem abit too lengthy for something that was revealed in August at Sigraph?
I m growing bald already and might as well grow gray by 12 12 12 :D

heck! Just realised I don't ve a 1000yrs! :D

djwaterman
10-23-2012, 05:24 AM
Bah, misleading thread title.

erikals
10-23-2012, 08:58 AM
c'mon Hail, u can do it! :]

CaptainMarlowe
10-23-2012, 09:54 AM
To me, it's of no matter now : I'm shipping out to a place with no 3D-possibilities for several weeks next week, so I'll just have to wait until I'm back. :)

dickbill
10-23-2012, 10:51 AM
An end of the world release 12-21-12: the Mayan release?

Waves of light
10-23-2012, 11:00 AM
Damn you with your misleading thread titles. I thousand bats up ones nightdress for you Sir!

DigitalSorcery8
10-24-2012, 03:48 PM
Is Lightwave 11 download only? No physical delivery?

starbase1
10-25-2012, 03:20 AM
Is Lightwave 11 download only? No physical delivery?

Right now it's neither!

Hail
10-25-2012, 04:30 AM
c'mon Hail, u can do it! :]

yeah, I know erikals but I'd still kill for an open beta :D

DigitalSorcery8
10-25-2012, 03:00 PM
Right now it's neither!

LW version 11 is not downloadable now? Perhaps you mean LW11.5?

Will there be no physical delivery?

Hail
11-15-2012, 07:30 AM
Oops! Passed my date already and still no word regarding a release date
Picked 12 11 12 but well that is not to be. :P
I guess that makes me the first official losser on this one.

But I'm still confident it ll be released before I start getting all gray (wont be cool if it turns out the other way round) :D

Kaptive
11-15-2012, 07:51 AM
It's funny... I got slightly excited on the 5th of November 11-5, but by the 6th of November felt a bit disappointed. Though I don't want Newtek to release a buggy version, I do wish it would come out soon as I could really do with some of the new features right now. Boo hoo for me.

I don't know why, but I get this weird feeling that it'll come out a few days before Christmas.

motivalex
11-15-2012, 08:29 AM
I want Lightwave 11.5 to be downloadable from my account by Monday 19th Nov 2012, or I will murder another packet of chocolate biscuits via gnashing teeth.

Got a project that could make use of bullet softbodies around December, so would like to use 11.5 for that, rather than that other software that my grinning colleague uses opposite me.

Hail
11-15-2012, 08:45 AM
What do you say guys? we start banging on NT's doors for an open beta? :D

drako
11-15-2012, 08:57 AM
yes lw 11.5 open beta now....yeha

Simon-S
11-15-2012, 09:08 AM
yes lw 11.5 open beta now....yeha

How do we get hold of the beta version..?

Simon-S
11-15-2012, 09:23 AM
It's funny... I got slightly excited on the 5th of November 11-5, but by the 6th of November felt a bit disappointed. Though I don't want Newtek to release a buggy version, I do wish it would come out soon as I could really do with some of the new features right now. Boo hoo for me.

I don't know why, but I get this weird feeling that it'll come out a few days before Christmas.

Mr Avery! Long time no see...hows it going dude?

Is Kaptive still up and running? Give me a shout if you're ever snowed under, I'm always on the lookout for freelance ;)

Hope you're good.

Si Smalley :)

meatycheesyboy
11-15-2012, 09:24 AM
How do we get hold of the beta version..?

Since there is no open beta for 11.5, I think the only way to get the beta would be to get invited by Newtek to join the closed beta group.

erikals
11-15-2012, 09:43 AM
if you have a kick-a** project that needs LW11.5 i'm sure they'll let you in :hey:

you just need that kicking project... :O

Kaptive
11-15-2012, 11:39 AM
Mr Avery! Long time no see...hows it going dude?

Is Kaptive still up and running? Give me a shout if you're ever snowed under, I'm always on the lookout for freelance ;)

Hope you're good.

Si Smalley :)

All good on this end mate :) I trust things are good for you also? Kind of starting fresh again after a business partnership didn't really work out... different objectives. So I've got that excited vibe back again, new beginnings and all that!

Noticed it was you who started this thread :) The boys of Derbyshire are keen for 11.5 lol. Will keep you in mind if something comes up for sure. We'll have to catch up at some point after Christmas when I've got my *expletive* sorted out. Anyway, i don't want to derail the thread too much, but I'll be in touch... good to see you're still in the Lightwave camp though!

Kris

jwiede
11-18-2012, 03:14 AM
One nice thing about the Open Betas was they gave customers clear information about what to expect, quality-wise, from the release. I actually miss that information about the "state of the release" more than any specific info about the release date. Knowing in advance whether specific issues were fixed (or not) also allowed more-informed decisions regarding when or whether to switch-over to the new release.

Phil
11-19-2012, 07:31 AM
One nice thing about the Open Betas was they gave customers clear information about what to expect, quality-wise, from the release. I actually miss that information about the "state of the release" more than any specific info about the release date. Knowing in advance whether specific issues were fixed (or not) also allowed more-informed decisions regarding when or whether to switch-over to the new release.

*shrug* The current approach is the same as the pre-9.0 releases. Based on 11.0, I tend to think that the ability to concentrate resources on the program, rather than on filtering out signal from the background noise of thousands of posters, has yielded a major increase in release quality.

I'm also not sure that I take your point about quality of release. The final build could be very different from the initial beta release (in form and function), so you would always have to run QA checks to ensure that your requirements were met. I have to do the same thing with Vue and modo, for example, before I can deploy updates to the farm, etc. Doing it with LW, in the absence of OpenBeta, doesn't change my existing procedures.

hrgiger
11-19-2012, 06:51 PM
*shrug* The current approach is the same as the pre-9.0 releases. Based on 11.0, I tend to think that the ability to concentrate resources on the program, rather than on filtering out signal from the background noise of thousands of posters, has yielded a major increase in release quality.



I don't necessarily think that you can draw a conclusion that the amount of 'noise' of active participants caused a drop in productivity for Newtek development.

But if we're going to speculate, just as likely a scenario could suggest that release quality is not where it could be now if the collaborative process had not been dropped in favor of a smaller handpicked group of individuals who seem unendingly favorable to Newteks development methods.

jwiede
11-19-2012, 08:07 PM
I'm also not sure that I take your point about quality of release. The final build could be very different from the initial beta release (in form and function), so you would always have to run QA checks to ensure that your requirements were met.
The difference being that we could run those checks prior to the actual final release date, so that by the time release occurs we could be important issues had been addressed (completely). The alternative requires waiting until after the release to even begin such testing, and post-release the opportunity to quickly fix issues is basically gone, a full product update is required.

quantizer
11-29-2012, 07:58 AM
Few days left into dec :D, would it be dec or jan.

Verlon
11-29-2012, 08:13 AM
Well, hopefully Newtek has a pretty good idea of whether or not they will make there Q4 delivery goal or not by now. I would sure like to see "released in Q* to mean the beginning of the quarter.

50one
11-29-2012, 09:33 AM
If it will be released after the deadline...then I'm not gonna download it, that'll teach them!

alexs3d
11-30-2012, 12:54 AM
they had a lot of thime now after siggraph to get the update ready, i hope ...no they have to release it in december :)


If it will be released after the deadline...then I'm not gonna download it, that'll teach them!

erikals
11-30-2012, 01:00 AM
my 'estimate' was December 14th... let's see ;]

alexs3d
11-30-2012, 01:48 AM
wwuuääähhhh :cry: :) they are already playing with LW 11.5 http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1394&doc_id=254893&dfpPParams=ind_186,bid_26,aid_254893&dfpLayout=blog

Darth Mole
11-30-2012, 03:49 AM
Good, hope they are. If it's buggy or not production-ready, these guys will say so. They have limited time and resources so a solid app is a necessity. Then any improvements and bug-squashing tumbles down to us.

davidsenna03
11-30-2012, 05:51 AM
Can't wait to try the update!. I also have a project that could get some good use out of the new features.

Oedo 808
11-30-2012, 06:21 AM
I don't care if they aren't happy enough to release it before the end of the year, I can wait if it needs more work. What would make unhappy is if they delayed without any communication and then blamed (internally at least) any unpleasantness on the mantra that this is what happens when you have raised expectations rather than the mantra that it is what happens with not managing expectations.

gclayton
12-03-2012, 01:48 PM
I would like to see 11.5 released before the very end of Dec. also. I would like to see the Sdk tools that Rob hinted about at Siggraph. At least I thought I heard him say there were new improvements to the SDK.

I don't care if there are a few bugs, after all no software is perfect and besides that it's been 4 months since it was shown and they ought to be ready to release 11.5 to everyone, not just the favored elite.

Oedo 808
12-03-2012, 02:33 PM
I don't care if there are a few bugs, after all no software is perfect and besides that it's been 4 months since it was shown and they ought to be ready to release 11.5 to everyone, not just the favored elite.

There may be more bugs than would be good for public consumption, stability isn't something I like to see sacrificed so I'm in no hurry. There will always be a number of folk who will test before releasing, perhaps if you feel you would be well placed to do this you should contact the LWG and see if you can get involved.

fahr
12-03-2012, 02:35 PM
I'm salivating for 11.5 just like everyone else, but let them get it right. I don't care if it's late as long as what comes out is stable and delivers on it's promises.

That being said, if it's going to be TOO much later, your only choice, Newtek, is to let us in on an open beta. It's the ONLY WAY! ;)

rcallicotte
12-04-2012, 09:34 AM
Let's keep this scientific. If we don't listen to "experts (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-guest.html)", then a good date might be 12/21/2012.

Dillon
12-04-2012, 02:03 PM
FINALLY confirmation that it is back and forth between AE and LW and LW can use AE's camera tracking! Sweetness!

Very nice to know the new Battlestar Galactica is using it extensively for their youtube shorts. Great quality work, though I can see some issues with some of their greenscreen work, and the lens flaring is a little over done. But otherwise, great quality work, and most the time I can't tell its shot in front of greenscreen - excellent work!

Verrrrry much anticipating this release (I have a greenscreen at work). DROOL

Dillon


wwuuääähhhh :cry: :) they are already playing with LW 11.5 http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?section_id=1394&doc_id=254893&dfpPParams=ind_186,bid_26,aid_254893&dfpLayout=blog

OnlineRender
12-04-2012, 02:29 PM
Let's keep this scientific. If we don't listen to "experts (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-guest.html)", then a good date might be 12/21/2012.

you mean 21/12/2012
:P

probiner
12-04-2012, 02:37 PM
do it properly :D

http://mamaneedsmaintenance.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/chocolate_advent_calendar_open.jpg

silviotoledo
12-04-2012, 03:15 PM
The Autodesk prediction (Maya people ): December 21, 2012 will bring an alignment between the sun, the earth, the center of the galaxy :).

Missing Newtek give us their prediction for Lightwave 11.5 once galaxies are done with Lightwave ( see Battlestar!!! )

Julez4001
12-05-2012, 01:55 AM
Has anything been mention of the after Effects connection?

50one
12-05-2012, 01:57 AM
Well, hopefully we're not far from the release date so we'll have to wait as nothing been mentioned, shame they didn't preview it during siggraph, but i guess it wasn't ready back then.

tcoursey
12-05-2012, 09:33 AM
I've lost track. Is CORE a real product that will eventually be released? I remember all the hype, launch day video etc..etc. Still find stuff on YouTube about it. Just curious where that went.

erikals
12-05-2012, 09:40 AM
Core got cancelled, but they are going to use (port) some of the tech into LW...

tcoursey
12-05-2012, 09:46 AM
Not sure if I'm surprised, upset or excited. It had some potential, as the TOOLS, interface and much more was being brought into the modern world of software. It was very much like Modo in some ways. Which In some ways I love. New interface that is customizable by user in the sense that panels and stuff can snap around. Tools that are combined and interactive rather than 6 seperate tools or whatever.

Maybe some of that goodness will be in 12? who knows. Oh might I mention multithreaded EVERYTHING! I mean come on. I know we are working on a real old code base and in places it's been updated (in areas it's excellent) but so many things are still way out of date. We are all working on multi-core machines to the 2 digit variety in many cases (12-16 cores) But many things are pegging only one core, bringing me back to the days I bought a separate chip for my 386 to do Math (Math co-processor) :)

Waiting patiently for the next major release. I'm excited!

erikals
12-05-2012, 09:55 AM
well, if i understood correctly, they are going to transform the current LW into something Core-like over time, sort of...

it's tricky to understand just what's going on, but i don't believe the Core code is trashed.
NT seems to be keeping quiet about it, which is understandable, considering.

i'm sure we'll see some New Tek over time...
but it's going to take just that... time...

until then, LW seems to be doing good, not excellent, but good.

Burchigb
12-05-2012, 04:40 PM
I think that after Blood and Chrome is done then we sill see the release of Lightwave 11.5

- - - Updated - - -

I think that after Blood and Chrome is done then we sill see the release of Lightwave 11.5

Dillon
12-05-2012, 07:50 PM
I want them to release this SO BAD.

I was on the BetaForce (still have the T-shirt, and had T. Jenison sign it, even) for LW 6.

Too bad they're not doing the same this time around. 11.5 is juicy.

gclayton
12-06-2012, 09:20 AM
Well, they have extended the special buy/upgrade offer to Dec 14th.

Wouldn't NewTek benefit by releasing 11.5 before this offer expires to get more people to go ahead and make a decision?

Kaptive
12-06-2012, 09:24 AM
Well, they have extended the special buy/upgrade offer to Dec 14th.

Wouldn't NewTek benefit by releasing 11.5 before this offer expires to get more people to go ahead and make a decision?

- - - Updated - - -

Well, they have extended the special buy/upgrade offer to Dec 14th.

Wouldn't NewTek benefit by releasing 11.5 before this offer expires to get more people to go ahead and make a decision?

- - - Updated - - -

Well, they have extended the special buy/upgrade offer to Dec 14th.

Wouldn't NewTek benefit by releasing 11.5 before this offer expires to get more people to go ahead and make a decision?


It's a good question, it's a good question, it really is a good question :D

jwiede
12-06-2012, 09:56 AM
It's a good question, it's a good question, it really is a good question :D
Sadly, it isn't his fault, the forum now interprets certain actions as "repost" which didn't use to get interpreted that way, and between that and the "taking a break" periods, it's now quite easy to cause multiple posting. I actually check all my posts to ensure it didn't happen, and edit away the extras when it does.

DrStrik9
12-06-2012, 11:01 AM
Let's keep this scientific. If we don't listen to "experts (http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-guest.html)", then a good date might be 12/21/2012.

But if the universe is 13-14 Billion years old, haven't all these "alignments" happened many times before? My personal theory is that the Mayans just ran out of rock ... But I wholeheartedly agree, or maybe 12/22/2012, just to prove a point. :)

jeric_synergy
12-06-2012, 12:09 PM
B My personal theory is that the Mayans just ran out of rock ... But I wholeheartedly agree, or maybe 12/22/2012, just to prove a point. :)
I think that's also the current archeology theory too.

But, it is a fun noodge at AutoDesk.

gclayton
12-06-2012, 12:42 PM
It's a good question, it's a good question, it really is a good question :D

Sorry about that. I thought I previewed my post and didn't see the triple post.

starbase1
12-07-2012, 07:52 AM
It would be nice to have in a week - that's when my new PC is due to arrive!

Skonk
12-07-2012, 08:00 AM
If it's not out in the next week or two then I assume it wont hit this year at all; can't imagine them pushing it out during the christmas/newyears holidays.

jeric_synergy
12-07-2012, 08:30 AM
I think it's time to put your money where your mouth is, boys, and start a pool.

Kaptive
12-07-2012, 09:20 AM
I'm betting on the 21st of December.

bobakabob
12-07-2012, 11:11 AM
It would be nice to have in a week - that's when my new PC is due to arrive!

OT: What did you go for Nick? I'm about to 'renew' and could do with some recommendations.

jeric_synergy
12-07-2012, 12:35 PM
I'm betting on the 21st of December.
Me too: I think it's Rob's little joke to Autodesk. :)

snsmoore
12-07-2012, 01:10 PM
I'd say the 17th - that gives them a week to handle any "distribution" issues before the holiday week. (fun to speculate...but the wait is almost killing me....I keep hitting refresh.....)

rcallicotte
12-07-2012, 02:28 PM
Ha! :)


you mean 21/12/2012
:P

jwiede
12-08-2012, 03:32 PM
I'm betting on the 21st of December.
This Dec 21st would be a horrible date for release. Never, ever release on a Friday if possible to avoid, doing so means users are stuck over weekend without support for any problems that occur. Lack of support options makes users even more likely to post problems in public venues, and express (reasonable) negative sentiments, creating PR issues. The 21st would be even worse, since both the following Mon (Christmas Eve is a holiday for many non-store businesses) and Tue (Christmas) are business holidays in USA, further lengthening the time without support access and worsening the problems that causes.

jwiede
12-08-2012, 09:27 PM
I'd say the 17th - that gives them a week to handle any "distribution" issues before the holiday week. (fun to speculate...but the wait is almost killing me....I keep hitting refresh.....)
I think the 19th is about the latest they could reasonably do the release without the holidays becoming a "lack of support" problem. Historically, in the last few releases Newtek's encountered significant distribution and/or licensing issues. If the release will be distributed to customers in some manner other than simple license and product downloads from the existing page (iow, a "new" mechanism), that increases the importance of leaving themselves a "margin" for dealing with hiccups before going into the long holiday weekend.

With the holidays so close, it'd be useful for customers if Newtek/LW3DG would publish the actual days LW support will be open (if any) between Dec 24th and Jan 2nd. That's good to know ahead of time regardless whether a release occurs. If the release occurs right before the holidays, it's even more essential.

Kaptive
12-08-2012, 11:01 PM
This Dec 21st would be a horrible date for release. Never, ever release on a Friday if possible to avoid, doing so means users are stuck over weekend without support for any problems that occur. Lack of support options makes users even more likely to post problems in public venues, and express (reasonable) negative sentiments, creating PR issues. The 21st would be even worse, since both the following Mon (Christmas Eve is a holiday for many non-store businesses) and Tue (Christmas) are business holidays in USA, further lengthening the time without support access and worsening the problems that causes.

I think you are looking at it all wrong j :) Who is going to be using it for a project over the holiday period where they'd need support? ...yes yes, I know not everyone celebrates Christmas, but a vast majority do actually take this time off.
11.5 is a free upgrade. They've had it operational for some months now, and I'm hoping this delay in getting it to us is to ensure a well bug tested release that shouldn't really need much support. If they were going to release it with the whole support thing in mind, then they may as well wait for new year. But I think they will give it to us just before, as a bit of a Christmas suprise so that those of us who like to play in Lightwave for sheer enjoyment (as well as just work) will have a bit of something to play with during down time.

Call me boring if you like lol, but I know I'll be having fun playing with the new stuff over the holiday in between turkey, family time and movies etc.

I'd like to think, that by the 21st they will have a build that the team are all pretty happy to release, and can then take some well earned time off. (Not to mention that if the world were to blow up, it wouldn't really matter anyway :) )

jwiede
12-09-2012, 05:57 AM
Who is going to be using it for a project over the holiday period where they'd need support? ...yes yes, I know not everyone celebrates Christmas, but a vast majority do actually take this time off.

But I think they will give it to us just before, as a bit of a Christmas suprise so that those of us who like to play in Lightwave for sheer enjoyment (as well as just work) will have a bit of something to play with during down time.
I trust you see the problem here? :devil:

Hieron
12-09-2012, 07:56 AM
I suppose Kaptive meant to say "for those who like to play in Lightwave for sheer enjoyment too (besides just work)"
Wouldn't dare using it in production right away, but would appreciate some holiday tinkering :)

Don't have my hopes up though.

(suprise us LW3DG :))

realgray
12-09-2012, 09:02 AM
I'm betting on December 27th.

Hail
12-09-2012, 09:50 AM
I've already bet on 11 2013 :(

madelgado
12-09-2012, 01:40 PM
3-1-2013

ianrthompson
12-09-2012, 02:13 PM
December 15th my guess. What's the prize for getting it right ?

hrgiger
12-09-2012, 02:21 PM
December 20th.

Philbert
12-09-2012, 02:22 PM
3-1-2013

That's my birthday so it would be a nice gift, though I'd still like it a lot sooner than that.

realgray
12-09-2012, 02:33 PM
December 20th.

Ah! With your Avatar I thought Mr. Powers had come to tell us when.

RudySchneider
12-09-2012, 03:27 PM
Being a hobbyist, I'm in no particular hurry, but I may as well throw my guess into the cauldron and see what bubbles up to the surface. 19 December.

hrgiger
12-09-2012, 03:47 PM
Ah! With your Avatar I thought Mr. Powers had come to tell us when.
Lol.

mav3rick
12-09-2012, 04:38 PM
january or february 2013

jwiede
12-10-2012, 01:31 AM
December 15th my guess. What's the prize for getting it right ?
Blanket party. Bring your own socks with bar soap or oranges.

geo_n
12-10-2012, 01:41 AM
Its done. They just want us to wait for the gift.:D

jwiede
12-10-2012, 02:26 AM
Its done. They just want us to wait for the gift.:D
Seems about as feasible as anything at this point.

vipvip242
12-10-2012, 02:56 AM
15th december as they've extented the poser2012 offer until 14th: they've to put another new after: the 11.5 release of course ! ;)

bazsa73
12-10-2012, 03:59 AM
january or february 2013
end of march or may

50one
12-10-2012, 04:17 AM
Early June 2013

Ryste3d
12-10-2012, 05:14 AM
I hope it will be before LW 12

KevinL
12-11-2012, 06:21 PM
01-(Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle)-2013/2012::expectation masssqr * # of pixel dev (i/t......

geo_n
12-11-2012, 09:47 PM
12/12/12 newtek missed the last day where dates align.

jwiede
12-11-2012, 11:59 PM
12/12/12 newtek missed the last day where dates align.
Well, technically they haven't quite yet here in the USA (they still have all day tomorrow).

erikals
12-12-2012, 03:22 AM
yep, just morning here in Europe at the moment and date 12/12/12...

AbstractTech3D
12-12-2012, 03:24 AM
Sorry guys - been there done that (being in NZ) - I can tell you it hasn't happened on 12/12/12.

erikals
12-12-2012, 03:48 AM
if it happens on 12/12/12 us time i'm fine with that :]
after all, who celebrates new years eve at the same time... :hey:

starbase1
12-12-2012, 04:18 AM
OT: What did you go for Nick? I'm about to 'renew' and could do with some recommendations.

I'm going for a Chillblast system:


Fractal Design Define R4 Low Noise Case - Black Pearl
Intel Core i7 3770K Processor Overclocked to up to 4.6GHz
Corsair Hydro Series H40 Liquid Cooler
Generic thermal paste
Additional and Quiet Fans Upgrade Pack
AeroCool 1000 Touch Screen Fan Controller
Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard
32GB Corsair PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3 Memory (4 x 8GB sticks)
NVIDIA Quadro 2000 1GB Professional Video Card
120GB Corsair Force 3 Solid State Drive
3000GB 7200rpm Hard Disk - 6Gbps
3000GB 7200rpm Hard Disk - 6Gbps
Samsung 24x DVD-RW Drive
Corsair CX 750W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified PSU
Asus Xonar DS 7.1 PCI Sound Card
17 in 1 3.5" Internal Card Reader
2 Port USB 3.0 Card
Windows 7 Professional 64 bit


Nick

Andy Webb
12-12-2012, 05:21 AM
Release date: 01/01/2101 :devil:

50one
12-12-2012, 05:26 AM
Nice rig starbase! Make sure to instal the OS on SSD and other programs elswhere, the difference it makes is just crazy!

Andy Webb
12-12-2012, 05:32 AM
Nice rig starbase! Make sure to instal the OS on SSD and other programs elswhere, the difference it makes is just crazy!

That's interesting you say that, I was wondering if 1 SSD drive was as fast as a SATA III Raid, do you happen to know?

Cheers

Andy

50one
12-12-2012, 06:07 AM
Hi, i asked the IT guys here where I work and they're saying that it all depends on the Drives used but the SSD seems to be faster, unfortunately the guy that deals with the storages etc. is off today:) i have raid 0 at work and the SSD at home and it seems to be faster, around 30% - same system win7 pro/enterprise.

Edit:

I've got one ssd for OS - this one is 120GB and other one for Apps, i think 80GB not sure at the moment, and SataIII VELOCIRAPTOR for storage etc. quite pleased with the setup, nice quality to price ratio;)

Hail
12-12-2012, 06:13 AM
Release date: 01/01/2101 :devil:

lol! made me crack my ribs. :D

I bet we'd all be ghosts by then

Andy Webb
12-12-2012, 06:32 AM
Hi, i asked the IT guys here where I work and they're saying that it all depends on the Drives used but the SSD seems to be faster, unfortunately the guy that deals with the storages etc. is off today:) i have raid 0 at work and the SSD at home and it seems to be faster, around 30% - same system win7 pro/enterprise.

Edit:

I've got one ssd for OS - this one is 120GB and other one for Apps, i think 80GB not sure at the moment, and SataIII VELOCIRAPTOR for storage etc. quite pleased with the setup, nice quality to price ratio;)

That's interesting, unfortunately I've just bought 2 1T SATA III drives to upgrade my RAID. The problem for me is I need the redundancy of a RAID 0, I'm freelance and can't afford to be without my main machine for too long.

Once prices come down even more 2 SSD drives in a RAID conf. will be the answer.

Cryonic
12-12-2012, 10:53 AM
That's interesting, unfortunately I've just bought 2 1T SATA III drives to upgrade my RAID. The problem for me is I need the redundancy of a RAID 0, I'm freelance and can't afford to be without my main machine for too long.

Once prices come down even more 2 SSD drives in a RAID conf. will be the answer.

RAID 0 provides no redundancy. It just stripes the drives into one larger drive. RAID 1 provides redundancy, but costs you 50% of your possible storage capacity.

starbase1
12-12-2012, 11:59 AM
I bought a Drobo NAS abouit a year back, very impressed. Seems a LOT more flexible than raid, and can cope with live swapping disks to upgrade and replace.

I had a drive fail, and the Drobo remained operatonal, and the status proggy thing reported clearly on its attempts to revive the drive.

Mine currently has 2 x 3Tb drives and 3x 2 Tb. You can't use space equivalent to one largest drive, so that gives me 9 Tb available.

Philbert
12-12-2012, 12:20 PM
Is it here yet? Last time a major release came out I actually missed it by a day.

Andy Webb
12-12-2012, 12:57 PM
RAID 0 provides no redundancy. It just stripes the drives into one larger drive. RAID 1 provides redundancy, but costs you 50% of your possible storage capacity.

Yes you're right, I ment RAID 1, always get confused.

netstile123
12-12-2012, 04:02 PM
SHould have been today.... !2.12.12.......................... owe well

starbase1
12-12-2012, 04:10 PM
SHould have been today.... !2.12.12.......................... owe well

Wasn't that the release date for Maya or something like that?!?

:devil::devil::devil:

erikals
12-12-2012, 04:15 PM
Maya is going down Today...! :devil:

no wait, wrong date...

Max is going down Today...! :devil:

realgray
12-12-2012, 09:48 PM
Man I'm checking the site everyday now. I reeeaalllyyy need Genoma.

OlaHaldor
12-12-2012, 11:56 PM
EDIT: I quoted the wrong post. ;) Thanks Philbert!

Yes you're right, I ment RAID 1, always get confused.


RAID 0 provides no redundancy. It just stripes the drives into one larger drive. RAID 1 provides redundancy, but costs you 50% of your possible storage capacity.

You might want to look into RAID5 or RAID6. Double redundancy. Or even RAID50 or 60, which is 5+0 or 6+0. Redundacny plus super speed. Though, it'll cost yo a little more.
If you have the chance, check the Sohotank (http://www.stardom.com.tw/sohotank_st8_feature.html) and get yourself either an eSATA or miniSAS controller. You'll be floating with enough space to render and backup and what not.

I'm going to get myself two of those towers, hopefully within a year. Can't wait, I really, really need more space asap.

Philbert
12-12-2012, 11:59 PM
I think you quoted the wrong post.

jwiede
12-13-2012, 03:42 AM
No 11.5 drop as of 12/12/12 here in USA. Honestly, I'm kind of glad, it feels like they've played out that whole "cool date" thing enough already.